knoppix 3.4 hangs on toshiba 2770, but 3.3 boots fine?

[dreambrother]

hello there knoppix people,

the knoppix 3.3 liveCD runs perfectly on my toshiba laptop, no problems at detecting my ethernet pc card etc. but with 3.4 the boot process hangs after displaying the following message: "ACPI Bios found, activating modules: ac battery button fan processor thermal".

what does that mean exactly? i got the german version by the way...

thanks!

a newbie

[softwaretester]

try adding 'nousb'
knoppix nousb

Mine hung on USB as well.
3.4 seems to have more usb probing.. or something.
The initial USB probe works, but the one after it detects apci, thermal, etc.. seems to hang.

[softwaretester]

ok.. scratch that..

Here's what I did on my Toshiba 4010CDS

linux26 noscsi noddc screen=800x600

and my toshiba worked.

[dreambrother]

hey there softwaretester,

if i type in nousb when booting, does that mean i'll have no usb support? i'll try that out and see if it still hangs. i have no idea what scsi or ddc is but i'll give it a try!

i wonder if it's possible to install 3.3 on the hard disc and then "upgrade" to 3.4 so that things would work somehow?? just some newbie's crazy thoughts :)

[softwaretester]

linux26 was something I decided to try to see if it would work.
noscsi was to avoid a segmentation fault error i got when it started some scsi detection.
even with linux26 noscsi, I still cannot use usb on 3.4

The noddc is to turn off the monitor 'detection'. if it can't properly detect the monitor, it defaults to an ugly 640x480 which displays choppily on my laptop.
the screen=800x600 is to force it to use that screen resolution as it's a 16 bit resolution, opposed to an 8 bit resolution at 1024x768

nousb turns off all usb support. sucks if you got a usb keydrive to save data to.

using the knoppix kernel (2.4.something)
all I had to do was type
knoppix nousb and the switches for my video settings.

The hard drive install is a Debian Install. If you 'install 3.3 to the hard drive' then you've got Debina installed on the hard drive.

[dreambrother]

hey thanks!

i tried linux noscsi nodde nousb without specifying the screen resolution and it worked fine! however i couldn't get internet connection anymore. my question is, since i disabled these hardware auto-detection during booting, can i manually detect them again after knoppix is loaded? i'm actually a complete newbie to linux, and still needs to learn more about the system, so at this stage i just need to know if i can do that or not...

oh as to the hard drive install; does that mean i could just install debian instead of knoppix?

have a good weekend:)

[softwaretester]

yep, you could install debian instead of knoppix.

I'd do the following.
Copy the /etc/fstab file to a floppy (since knoppix was nice enough to autodetect yoru drives for you, it's nice to have those drives automatically come up) and copy it to your new install.

Copy the desktop items, because it's handy havnng the hard drive and usb drive stuff on the desktop ready to be clicked on and mounted.

The debian install is a standard linux install. I really like knoppix and it's autodetection though.

[Ordos]

Hey there

Just for the record, I've got the same problem as dreambrother on my Toshiba Tecra 8100.

I'll try fixing it as suggested.

10th May, 01:18am

Yes, it worked, but 3.4 doesn't detect my DSL internet connection - something that 3.3 did. That's a pitty.

As for a direct debian installation - it doesn't boot from the installation CDs. I still managed to install debian 3.0 using floppy images, but I couldn't install my PCMCIA ethernet card (I'm a newbie too:).

For these reasons, I think that Knoppix 3.3 is the better distribution for a newbie user like me.

Regards

[softwaretester]

I thought that DSL had to be connected to using the PPPoE thing.
Doesn't the Internet or System menus show the DSL setup?

[Ordos]

Even though this problem could be fixed, with no usb support available I cannot do much on my computer. :?

[Ordos]

Hm.
Anyway, I couldn't fix the problem usig the ADSL/PPPoE configuration tool. It says that the eth0 is in use by another application or service and the autodetection fails.

[softwaretester]

Even though this problem could be fixed, with no usb support available I cannot do much on my computer. :?

I'm still learning how to use linux.

After booting up with the nousb option, I can enable usb drives by doing a few things in the terminal.

knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ sudo su
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# modprobe usb-uhci
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# modprobe usb-storage
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cd /mnt
root@ttyp0[mnt]# ls
auto cdrom floppy hd hda1 hda3 hda4 hda5 hda6 pts sys test
root@ttyp0[mnt]# mkdir sda1
root@ttyp0[mnt]# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
root@ttyp0[mnt]# cd /mnt/sda1
root@ttyp0[sda1]# ls
BitDefender Free Edition fastfat.sys
Downloads grub.conf
Extra Software knoppix.img
HDGrubInstall.doc knoppix.sh
KANOTIX-BUG-HUNTER-03-2004.iso.torrent ntfs.sys
bootex.log ntoskrnl.exe
cdfs.sys setiathome
...etc...


modprobe -l | grep usb
lists every modprobe dealing with usb.

you may want to check the dmesg of your pc using an older knoppix, or damnsmalllinux to see what usb module it used.
dmesg

now.. to figure out how to use chmod so the knoppix user can access the usb drive (not just root)

[user unknown]

It means knoppix found your acpi, but perhaps is hanging for just that reason.

Acpi is used for powersaving, inheriting the job of apm, and may (when it works) save power of devices (cdrom, hdd), control the fan-speed, react on power-button (sleepmode) ...

You may try to boot with 'acpi=off' - option. It's quiete unstable and vendor-dependend.