Common "active" partitions free space?

[Cuddles]

Interesting question, considering that Knoppix v3.4 is my "first" install of using "multi-partition" for / (root), and for /home...

What, during a "normal" usage of, say, the root partition, is an acceptable free space? When should you worry, when should red flags be run up, etc... ?

I've been running v3.4, its root, on a 4.6 GB partition, for more than, I think, two months now... I seem to see the free space go down, more and more, does it ever get "reclaimed", or is this just a "spiral" down, until you crash? What "free space" value is a marker to do something?

My 4.6 GB root, has around 2.9 GB used, and just under 1.5 GB free - currently I am doing a "apt-file update" - and I am just watching the free space drop slowly. Being completely new at this "multi-partition" thing, I have nothing to base what I am doing, or seeing, on - previous install was a "single-partition" scheme. All I've seen is the root free space go down, and not much up, so my guess is, that this is going to keep going until it hits zero, someday...

Thanks for any information on this subject,
Ms. Cuddles

[OErjan]

normally with ext2 and ext3 and reiser you get noticable decay when it is about 85-95% full, that is you can time it with for example hdparm and similar.
if i remember correctly free space in relation to filesize (and lots of other factors) makes noticably more of a difference on smaller partitions/disks.
if you have a 95% full 350Gb hdd and add a 2048Kb file to it not much will happen spacewise there should likely be space to write the file in a nice ordered fasion, but on a 85%full 35Mb hdd that same file will be noticed and have a smaler chance to squeese in smoothly.

[baldyeti]

You might want to check your /var/cache/apt/archives directory, which is the local debian package cache. Unless you have good reasons to keep some of these .deb's around, run "apt-get clean" now and then, and these will be flushed.

[mzilikazi]

/usr is the directory that gets rather large. I always have it on its own partition. How big is /usr?

du -hc /usr

In a pinch you could always nuke some or all of the /usr/doc & /usr/share/doc directories.
You can also simply move /usr to another partition if necessary.

[Cuddles]

hmmmmmm, nice input here, now, the replies...

BaldYeti, did the command that mzilikazi suggested, on the archives folder, came up with only 183 MB - so that isn't that big - it's kind of like going after 1 or 2 KB files in your Windows directory - don't gain much, for a heck of a lot of work...

But, mzilikazi, your /usr location, did come up with around 2.4 GB of total space being used -=- Funny thing, while I watched the "junk" scroll down the screen, I realized that I still have my kernel 2.6.6 source stored there -=- I had that when I needed to compile my 2.6 kernel with the NVidia video drivers -=- can I seriously "blow" that away now??? Or should I keep it "lying" around for future??? /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 comes up with 451 MB, I also have the source for 2.4 in there, and the NVidia... du -hc /usr/src comes up with around 589 MB - so a lot of stuff is in the /usr folder, that is unaccounted for, say, around 2 GB...

ls -la of the /usr/src shows the following files / folders:

total 104184
drwxrwsr-x 6 cuddles cuddles 4096 Jul 5 21:19 .
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Feb 29 00:07 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 361 May 14 12:31 Makefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 8160802 Jun 23 11:04 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6106-pkg1.run
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 4197816 Apr 19 2003 NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4363.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 123316 May 5 07:21 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363-2.6.diff
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 661447 Apr 19 2003 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 2557670 Jul 5 19:27 kernel-doc-2.6.6_123.Custom_all.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 5041764 Jul 5 20:09 kernel-headers-2.6.6_123.Custom_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 14936126 Jul 5 20:09 kernel-image-2.6.6_123.Custom_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root cuddles 35039722 Jul 5 19:27 kernel-source-2.6.6_123.Custom_all.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 849 Dec 10 2003 knoppix-kernel.README
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 2122 Feb 26 21:38 knoppix-kernel.patch
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 386 May 1 16:15 knoppix-kernel26.patch
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cuddles 11 Jul 5 19:13 linux -> linux-2.6.6
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 4096 Apr 21 19:38 linux-2.4.26
drwxrwxr-x 20 500 500 4096 Jul 5 20:09 linux-2.6.6
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root cuddles 34896138 May 10 02:16 linux-2.6.6.tar.bz2
drwxr-xr-x 3 root src 4096 Jul 5 21:22 modules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 861200 Mar 19 17:37 nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz
drwxr-xr-x 7 cuddles cuddles 4096 Nov 6 2003 rpm


It's not like 1.5 GB is a big deal of free space, that is a considerable size, and after two months, having only 2.9 GB used out of 4.6 GB, I would say, it isn't going to go down seriously fast, it's just I would like to "curb" the "growth" of used space, if I can, and I guess, I should, if I can. At least until I have to "gut 'n install" another Knoppix version again...

Any ideas?
Ms. Cuddles

[baldyeti]

BaldYeti, did the command that mzilikazi suggested, on the archives folder, came up with only 183 MB - so that isn't that big - it's kind of like going after 1 or 2 KB files in your Windows directory - don't gain much, for a heck of a lot of work...
How 183 Mb is like 2k and typing 'apt-get clean' a lot of work is beyond me ...


/usr/src/linux-2.6.6 comes up with 451 MB, I also have the source for 2.4 in there, and the NVidia...
Might be wise to keep these around unless you absolutely need the space. Much can probably be reclaimed by typing "make clean" or even "make distclean" in the appropriate directory. Now I don't precisely know which one since I don't have the kernel sources installed ;-) Try under /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 and /usr/src/linux-2.4.26. You can always recompile later if needs be.


du -hc /usr/src comes up with around 589 MB - so a lot of stuff is in the /usr folder, that is unaccounted for, say, around 2 GB...
¿ Er.. you're not seriously considering nuking /usr, are you ? Locations like /usr/bin and /usr/lib contain heaps of essential programs and libraries.

[Cuddles]

BaldYeti, did the command that mzilikazi suggested, on the archives folder, came up with only 183 MB - so that isn't that big - it's kind of like going after 1 or 2 KB files in your Windows directory - don't gain much, for a heck of a lot of work...
How 183 Mb is like 2k and typing 'apt-get clean' a lot of work is beyond me ...
True, I was just making a corolation, may not have been a valid one, or a 1-1 kind of thing - sorry if I boo-boo'ed...



/usr/src/linux-2.6.6 comes up with 451 MB, I also have the source for 2.4 in there, and the NVidia...
Might be wise to keep these around unless you absolutely need the space. Much can probably be reclaimed by typing "make clean" or even "make distclean" in the appropriate directory. Now I don't precisely know which one since I don't have the kernel sources installed ;-) Try under /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 and /usr/src/linux-2.4.26. You can always recompile later if needs be.
Good idea, was thinking bout the same, just didn't know the commands - Can I maybe blow away the tarballs that created them????



du -hc /usr/src comes up with around 589 MB - so a lot of stuff is in the /usr folder, that is unaccounted for, say, around 2 GB...
¿ Er.. you're not seriously considering nuking /usr, are you ? Locations like /usr/bin and /usr/lib contain heaps of essential programs and libraries.
No way, just trying to figure out where the storage may be going, thats all :D

Ms. Cuddles

[Cuddles]

BTW, BaldYeti, the apt-get clean gave me .2 GB freed, so I am at 1.7 GB free now, and from 66% free to 62% free, now... Gonna have to remember that one :D

EDIT: I also did the make clean in the /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 folder, went from 62% free up to 57% free - I also blew away the tarball for the kernel-2.6.6 bz2 file - not much got reclaimed, but its a little cleaner now...

I kinda like to see free space around the 50's, gives me a feeling of "elbow room" - comfy feeling...

Thanks BaldYeti :D

[mzilikazi]

But, mzilikazi, your /usr location, did come up with around 2.4 GB of total space being used -=- Funny thing, while I watched the "junk" scroll down the screen, I realized that I still have my kernel 2.6.6 source stored there -=- I had that when I needed to compile my 2.6 kernel with the NVidia video drivers -=- can I seriously "blow" that away now??? Or should I keep it "lying" around for future??? /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 comes up with 451 MB, I also have the source for 2.4 in there, and the NVidia... du -hc /usr/src comes up with around 589 MB -
Depends on which kernel you're running. When I upgrade kernels I always keep my last working kernel installed. Just in case I need to revert. Then remove the previous "known-working-kernel" as well as any source or patches that are related. If you're runnig 2.6.6 & 2.4.* is your 'known-working-kernel' I would keep it. If you've upgraded to 2.6.8.1 then get rid of the 2.4.*


so a lot of stuff is in the /usr folder, that is unaccounted for, say, around 2 GB...
You might also have a look through your installed packages and decide if you really need all of them. Perhaps some apps have simply become so much wasted space.

If you want a very good GUI for du (it's as functional as it is ugly) do:

sudo apt-get install xdiskusage
xdiskusage&

[eco2geek]

Thanks for the tip on xdiskusage. What's bizarre is that my ext3 partition has ~500M worth of inodes -- doesn't that seem a bit excessive for a 10GB partition?

[user unknown]

To rebuild a kernel, you need at least the .config -file.
The source-tar.bz2 can be downloaded again from kernel.org - but I woulnd't drop it, when on 50%.
Do you have some logrotate running? Or do your /var/log/* -files grow and grow?

[Cuddles]

Eco2Geek
From what I can tell, it sounds about right, here is what I have:
4.58 GB partition - 1.917 GB free - 238.5 MB in inodes
32.63 GB partition - 16.56 GB free - 1.658 GB in inodes
70.79 GB partition - 51.7 GB free - 3.59 GB in inodes

Yours is like "double" of my 4.58 GB partition, and similar, in double the inodes -=- I think it makes sense...

User Unknown
I am not sure if I have anything running, I do know I have cron running, ( I did a backup, scheduled, last night, and it ran - considering it was scheduled through cron, I would guess it must be running... ), as for any "maintenance" or "clean-up" programs running, I don't think so - I am still recovering from the new install... and I know I used to get mail from cron on a daily basis on smail clean-up, but, as of yet, haven't gotten any smail in either root or my user accounts, ever since "upgrading" to v3.4, from v3.3

I looked at the /var/log location, I only have 13 MB used, of these, only cups location is "sizable", at 1.3 MB, all others are in the 4.0 KB range.

Ms. Cuddles