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probono
04-04-2003, 09:02 PM
There is now content on http://www.bootsplash.org/ - and, even better, version 3 which now has a graphical progress bar and the option to switch to the text output ("verbose mode") by pressing F2.

Isn't it nice?

http://www.bootsplash.org/silent-mode-thmb.jpg

In my opinion, there is no reason any more against it! The entry level user is not confused by cryptic boot messages and in case anything goes wrong, he can be advised by tech support to press F2...

Now I would be most happy to see a Knoppix version with a progress bar... The author also welcomes themes for other distributions, so in case someone plays around with bootsplash on Knoppix, please be sure to send the author a copy of your files.

http://www.bootsplash.org/

ktheking
04-05-2003, 12:18 PM
I don't agree.
This is only an artistic improvement.
Using it ,you will loose presuce space,ram, stability and standardisation.
As it now is with the pure text interface is exellent.
Minimum space usage,maximum stability,...
Don't make same mistakes from the boys from Redmond...keep it simple

eadz
04-05-2003, 12:42 PM
I don't agree.
This is only an artistic improvement.
Using it ,you will loose presuce space,ram, stability and standardisation.
As it now is with the pure text interface is exellent.
Minimum space usage,maximum stability,...
Don't make same mistakes from the boys from Redmond...keep it simple


I disagree.. Knoppix is used by many to demonstrate linux, to sell linux, and to say "linux is as good as windows". If Joe Average boots up knoppix, and sees a whole lot of text wizzing by, he will have no clue as to whats going on. With a nice progress bar, he can see that it has so and so left to do. The bootsplash doesn't take up much space either.

Knoppix isn't a "keep it simple distro". It comes by default with KDE, a highly complex desktop, and prehaps you prefer the console? Either way, As long as the bootsplash doesn't adversly effect non-framebuffer compatible computers, I think it would be a great addition.

probono
04-06-2003, 03:40 AM
I absolutely agree with eadz. Linux is about freedom, and you always can add vga=0 to your boot line or press F2 at any time to get pure text.

I am giving KnoppixKDE to all my friends (Windows users) and they mostly like KDE a great deal but are confused by all the text at the boot time. IMHO, bootsplash is no bloat but really a great step towards Linux n every desktop :-)

ktheking
04-06-2003, 05:58 PM
The reason I say this is because the experience I had with GRUB ..
(graphical replacement for lilo)
Try install latest GRUB based distro (like SUSE) on nforce chipset motherboard =>you won't .
GRUB makes a fuzz with vga and other integrated devices. (suchas notebooks too).
When integrating directly graphical depended show-tricks you endanger
the compability with such all-integrated devices. (and all integrated devices is what were headin' to).
This explains my worries about graphical stuff at boot.
True, that for JoeAverage this is very smooth. But from creator,helpdesker side this gets back to windooze troubleshooting.
At the end you don't know anymore what's happening when there's a failure at boot. All you can do is with trial-and-error and guessing what's happening.

probono
04-06-2003, 07:31 PM
from creator,helpdesker side this gets back to windooze troubleshooting. At the end you don't know anymore what's happening when there's a failure at boot. All you can do is with trial-and-error and guessing what's happening.That *was* true in previous releases, but in the newest release you simply press F2 and have all you boot messages tech support might need! And remember, it's very easy to disable altoegther.

Eliza
04-08-2003, 09:13 AM
Does anyone know, if there is an install-howto. I've read the instructions on bootsplash.org and was a little bit confused.

aay
04-08-2003, 06:41 PM
EADZ,

Does this mean you might incorporate this into the next version of KnoppixKDE?

eadz
04-09-2003, 01:29 AM
EADZ,

Does this mean you might incorporate this into the next version of KnoppixKDE?

Well, the question really is weather I can fit it in the 1.44 boot file. I can do it using isolinux, but that seems to cause boot problems for older computers. The "splash" binary has to be statically compiled and is quite large so yeah.. I don't know.

Alextreme
04-09-2003, 01:03 PM
Thinking about using this in Morphix too, been playing around with it but i've been hitting a few problems.

First, the size issue: Morphix uses a 2.88mb bootimage, more than enough for a nice bootscreen, but i too am thinking about using isolinux. Both the 2.88mb bootimage and isolinux don't work on every pc, so having a bootimage would be needed without bootsplash, i guess

Another problem is that it doesn't work with VGA fb (needs 16bit vesa, afaik). Are there plans within bootsplash to use vga again? Not all pc's like fb-vesa, and i'd rather have a plain 16color bootsplash working on every pc than a purty one that causes problems on some machines.

Oh well, i'll play with it some more, nice stuff :D

probono
04-09-2003, 07:03 PM
Well, the question really is weather I can fit it in the 1.44 boot file. I can do it using isolinux, but that seems to cause boot problems for older computers. Couldn't there be isolinux by default and the option to use a boot floppy (image) for these machines where isolinux doesn't run?

Sigmatador
04-12-2003, 05:10 PM
arf it looks nice, but i don't know how to install it on my knoppix hdinstall (or i can't ^^)
have someone already do it ?

eadz
04-13-2003, 01:05 AM
arf it looks nice, but i don't know how to install it on my knoppix hdinstall (or i can't ^^)
have someone already do it ?

you don't install it, its a kind of thing that comes with knoppix by default, although it doesn't yet.

probono
04-20-2003, 04:38 AM
the new SuSE 8.2

Boot:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/floody2003/linuxforen/Suse82/boot2.jpg

Shutdown:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/floody2003/linuxforen/Suse82/shutdown.jpg

gerrynjr
04-23-2003, 12:27 AM
Well, it seems as if the bootfloppy issue may have been resolved. I had the idea o make a bootloader floppy rather than use a kernel boot floppy. The idea is currently used in alextreme's morphix distribution. (www.morphix.org)

As he stated above, the distro has a 2.88mb floppy image, and I was looking to install his light distro onto a pentium 266 that did not support booting off of cd. This floppy fixed the prob!

Good Luck!!! :D

probono
04-23-2003, 08:33 PM
That is very interesting! Are there any drawback of this type of boot floppy image? If not, we should inform Klaus Knopper...

Alextreme
04-24-2003, 12:45 AM
He knows, just that he said that it didn't support some scsi drives so it wasn't useful. Now i'm not seeing this as a perfect alternative to cd-booting, but it works for most systems that don't support cd-booting. As it wasn't actively developed, gerry is thinking about picking it up. A nice project, one we might all benefit from :)

lemsx1
08-02-2003, 08:54 PM
Does anyone know, if there is an install-howto. I've read the instructions on bootsplash.org and was a little bit confused.

There is a nice tutorial here (http://bulmalug.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=1812)

I took the information from that tutorial and put it in a simple package together with the needed scripts to update the progress bar for Debian (sid) latest initscripts. All plus a kernel patched with the 2.4.21 bootsplash patch is available here:
ftp://ftp.latinomixed.com/downloads/debian-embelisher

(There is a single tar.bz2 file at /downloads/debian-embelisher.tar.bz2 )

Check the README and LEEME (spanish readme file) for instructions. It's very simple.

Enjoy.

P.S. My contact information is included in the README. Feel free to contact me with questions.