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Harry Kuhman
06-02-2005, 03:50 AM
Knoppix 3.9 is out and available on the BitTorrent Tracker (http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/). No details yet. Thanks nvgringo.

UnderScore
06-02-2005, 04:40 AM
From http://www.knoppix.com/
Changes vs. 3.8:

* OpenOffice 2.0 BETA (german and english)
* KDE 3.4
* Kernel 2.6.11 update
* dist-upgrade (all software packages from current Debian/sid)

This will be probably be the last "single CD" version of KNOPPIX. Starting from Version 4.0 (coming soon), the project will be split into a "Light" CD version, and a "Maxi" DVD release.

patelbhavesh
06-02-2005, 05:34 AM
Here are the links if you want to download via other p2p networks like edonkey/gnutella etc

Magnet (Gnutella, Kazaa, Direct Connect, and others)
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:KEUUZN2DTIJH57JW7AM7MNRAQFRZRC LS&xt=urn:ed2k:bfd7d8770ea71d1f2d9b416e021691b4&xl=729694208&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso

ED2K (EDonkey, EMule, and others)
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso|729694208|bfd7d8770ea71d1f2d9b416e021691b4|[/b]

Harry Kuhman
06-02-2005, 02:46 PM
Just a quick update on BitTorrent (http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bittorrent): I got my download in less than 2 hours on a 1.5 DSL line. Previously before BitTorrent I've sometimes taken 8 hours or more to download from a mirror (and then half my mirror downloads had bad md5 checksums) and many times I've started mirror downloads only to bail out of then when the estimated download time was figured in days, not hours. I'm currently seeding; it's not having a noticalbe effect on my surfing at all. (Using Bittorrent 4.0.1, not the newest but working just fine).

tekmate
06-02-2005, 07:06 PM
It looks good I'm installing it now.

OP4Latino
06-03-2005, 05:55 AM
This will be probably be the last "single CD" version of KNOPPIX. Starting from Version 4.0 (coming soon), the project will be split into a "Light" CD version, and a "Maxi" DVD release.

I don't have a DVD burner, so I guess this will be my last CD burn that I'll do for a long while.

What store will give a good deal for a pre-burned DVD?

Later.

P.D: ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ is working good for me.

Haakneus
06-03-2005, 07:22 AM
I am very very happy with the fact that Kismet is working again with Atheros cards on Knoppix 3.9. :D :D
Version 3.6 was de last version this did work, so....

greetings,

Haakneus

robwelch100
06-03-2005, 07:28 AM
This will be probably be the last "single CD" version of KNOPPIX. Starting from Version 4.0 (coming soon), the project will be split into a "Light" CD version, and a "Maxi" DVD release.

I don't have a DVD burner, so I guess this will be my last CD burn that I'll do for a long while.


You must not have read thoroughly, there will continue to be a single cd version. You know, for the price of a couple copies bought from a site you could buy a dvd burner. Go to newegg.com and buy a unit for less than $60. The price is so low on burners now that the old argument of not having a dvd burner is really old hat. The rest of what I have to say is better suited for another post so I'll stop here.

kahuna
06-03-2005, 10:57 AM
There's a bug in the shapshot version of UnionFS used in knoppix 3.9 that freezes the machine when you try to install a package (kernel panic due to a NULL pointer dereference on dentry_open).
The other bugs still exists (modification of any file without permission on the first copy-up, etc), so I don't understand why to use a snapshot version of UnionFS.
An other point is: why to include kde 3.4.0 the same day the 3.4.1 is released? :?

kah

UnderScore
06-03-2005, 03:11 PM
There's a bug in the shapshot version of UnionFS used in knoppix 3.9 that freezes the machine when you try to install a package (kernel panic due to a NULL pointer dereference on dentry_open).
The other bugs still exists (modification of any file without permission on the first copy-up, etc), so I don't understand why to use a snapshot version of UnionFS.
An other point is: why to include kde 3.4.0 the same day the 3.4.1 is released? Thanks for pointing this out. I thought only I had this problem.

Harry Kuhman
06-03-2005, 03:35 PM
There's a bug in the shapshot version of UnionFS used in knoppix 3.9 that freezes....
Thanks for pointing this out. I thought only I had this problem.
So what's really happening with the UnionFS. All I've seen since 3.8 came out is these types of warnings about it. Are people actually able to use it for anything useful yet?

UnderScore
06-03-2005, 04:22 PM
Lets test the package install bug. Boot with Knoppix 3.9. Download http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/a/aterm/aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb 90KB. Then Install it.
wget http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/a/aterm/aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb Result? Kernel Hang. Machine is dead.

Since the debian package system is broken, I fear we will soon see a 3.9.1 release of Knoppix.

So what's really happening with the UnionFS. All I've seen since 3.8 came out is these types of warnings about it.UnionFS is a experimental filesystem conceived at SUNY Stonybrook, about 15 mintues from my home. The Filesystem Lab of the CS deptarment received a $400,000 grant from the National Science Foundation to explore secure networkable stackable filesystems. UnionFS is the fruit of their research. It is not truely grounbreaking in concept (many people have thought of overlaying fileystems on top of each other), but it is fantastic when implemented on a Live CD like Knoppix. However the devil is in the details of making it work.

Are people actually able to use it for anything useful yet? There are folks that wanted to run a database, mysql, from a Knoppix CD. In 3.7 & lower, the problem was that parts of /var were not mounted on the ramdisk so those parts were still read only. This meant that if you wanted to run mysql or other progs that access /var you would need to map /var to the ramdisk. This required the user to remaster Knoppix & edit the linuxrc file in the /boot/isolinux/minirt.gz. Versions 3.8.x & up brings Unionfs & allows all of the filesystem to be "read/write" & that solves the problem of read-only /var.
At this point in time, I like unionfs & hope that they can get around its bugs & quirks but it seems to me that the inclusion of unionfs in knoppix 3.8 was proof of concept: "It works. We got it running" as opposed to "It works well."

rwcitek
06-03-2005, 05:48 PM
Lets test the package install bug. Boot with Knoppix 3.9. Download http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/a/aterm/aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb 90KB. Then Install it.
wget http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/a/aterm/aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i aterm_0.4.2-11_i386.deb Result? Kernel Hang. Machine is dead.

Similar result here with installing R:
apt-get update
apt-get -y install r-base

So, where to file bug reports?

Regards,
- Robert
http://www.cwelug.org/

UnderScore
06-03-2005, 09:05 PM
So, where to file bug reports?
I created a V3.9 bug entry and added what I know of the packaging bug. http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27

borru
06-03-2005, 09:19 PM
From http://www.knoppix.com/
...

This will be probably be the last "single CD" version of KNOPPIX. Starting from Version 4.0 (coming soon), the project will be split into a "Light" CD version, and a "Maxi" DVD release.

"Light" CD version - this means that 4.0 CD distro will contain Knoppix with only most popular software and other software packages will go onto DVD ?

Harry Kuhman
06-03-2005, 10:44 PM
"Light" CD version - this means that 4.0 CD distro will contain Knoppix with only most popular software and other software packages will go onto DVD ?
I see little reason to expect that the CD will be much different than it is now, the DVD should just have a lot more. Of course, things will vanish from the CD to make way for other things or for a more bloated ---- I mean larger kernel. This has been happening as long as I've known Knoppix, at least there will be some place where the good software that has vanished will be likely to survive. I feel it's unfortunate that some nice games that were in 3.1 have vanished in later releases, I hope but don't really expect that they will make it back into the DVD.

albertodp
06-04-2005, 10:07 AM
If you install kernel-sources-2.6.11 package, unpack it on linux-2.6.11, copy /boot/config-2.6.11 on /usr/src/linux/.config and type "make", it compiles well, but in the next reboot, kde lets work.

PopeFelix
06-04-2005, 04:53 PM
Does Knoppix 3.9 have the "ub" kernel module compiled in? As of 2.6.11.8, ub "cripples" the usb-storage driver, and if ub is compiled into the kernel, even if it is not loaded, Knoppix will not boot from a USB CD-ROM/DVD-ROM.

PopeFelix
06-04-2005, 05:26 PM
Does Knoppix 3.9 have the "ub" kernel module compiled in? As of 2.6.11.8, ub "cripples" the usb-storage driver, and if ub is compiled into the kernel, even if it is not loaded, Knoppix will not boot from a USB CD-ROM/DVD-ROM.

Never mind. ub is still compiled in.

moustache
06-06-2005, 02:15 PM
I wanted to say a word about unionfs. I only see it come up when I try to install a "klik" program or nvidia drivers for my graphics card. It has allowed a lot of "klik" programs to install and run that wouldn't before. I only wish there was room for the kernel headers on the knoppix cd so I could do some compiling with the live-cd....maybe on the dvd version.

Moustache

lilsirecho
06-06-2005, 05:01 PM
Does anyone know the expected size of the DVD burn to be released soon?

DVD format at present is limited to 2GB of compressed data.

Has the new DVD release avoided the 2GB limitation?

Harry Kuhman
06-06-2005, 06:04 PM
DVD format at present is limited to 2GB of compressed data.
NO, not at all. ISO 9660, which Knoppix uses, limits any single file to 2 gig in size. But there is nothing that would stop a DVD release from having multiple compressed files, or even having a nice size compressed file and then a lot of Klik (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=38e9ecd5f2adb19fd310d03236654549) type files (which would make it very easy to add other Klik files to alternate releases).

lilsirecho
06-07-2005, 02:04 AM
To continue on the subject:

Klik or CMG files have limits of eight such and require fstab entries for each cramfs item.

The original question was in regard to the expected data size of the DVD burn to be released.

I note in passing that the KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX file is cloop un-compressed during the boot sequence and is found in /root/KNOPPIX.

If the DVD were to have multiple cloop- compressed files, how would the added files be un-compressed? Would there be a KNOPPIX0,KNOPPIX1, KNOPPIX2..........?

I have yet to be able to establish multiple compressed cloop by any method. I do have uncompressed material and CMG in a DVD which can fill out the 4.4GB burn.

Perhaps there is a way to use multiple cloop file systems but it would certainly not be done without severe modification to the minirt file. This may severely impact the boot system which Klaus has optimized.

The best approach as I see it is to accept the fine arrangement of KNOPPIX provided by the CD setup, add uncompressed data to the KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX ( or CMG which is 16MB limited per file and seven or eight files + some uncompressed data. Then, using device mapping technique, install compressed data to the boot section and modify minirt.gz accordingly Join the two files together for a full sized DVD.

Of course, perhaps cloop itself can be re-programmed to provide greater than 700MB of compressed data since it was designed to fill the CD to full capacity and provide KNOPPIX for slower and older machines.

The basic question is; what size will the DVD burn be? (to be released soon). The technique is another matter

New query: Will the DVD be available for download even though it might take days to do so?

Harry Kuhman
06-07-2005, 02:34 AM
I note in passing that the KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX file is cloop un-compressed during the boot sequence
I don't see how that can be. I boot Knoppix on a 512 meg laptop with a NTFS file system that it can't writen to. The cloop file is too large to fit into RAM and uncompressed it should take about 2 gig. So I don't believe that it is uncompressed at boot time; just what you need is extracted from it as required.

xxkacklerxx
06-07-2005, 02:38 AM
I was playing around with 3.9 today and went to install fprot from the knoppix/Install Software menu, and it's not there. Is this something they got rid of in the latest release? I hope not this was an awesome feature.

lilsirecho
06-07-2005, 02:51 AM
Harry:

Please excuse my error in stating that the KNOPPIX file is uncompressed....it is uncompressed if it is copied...a cloop function which is implied rather than directly stated!

I stand corrected for my oversight.

Still desire to know the Data burn size for the new DVD KNOPPIX release.

UnderScore
06-07-2005, 03:30 AM
I was playing around with 3.9 today and went to install fprot from the knoppix/Install Software menu, and it's not there. Is this something they got rid of in the latest release? I hope not this was an awesome feature.See "Where is the "Knoppix Live Installer" in Kno 3.8.2 (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19124&). Also note that with the unionFS/Debian package management bug, see http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27, installing packages may crash the system.

sonicdragon14
06-13-2005, 06:36 PM
is there going to be a knoppix 4.0? if there is is it going to be on dvd or a regular cd let me know

UnderScore
06-13-2005, 07:07 PM
is there going to be a knoppix 4.0? if there is is it going to be on dvd or a regular cd let me know99.9% of us here are not Knoppix developers so we do not know much if anything at all about future releases. I do not know of the release date and I do not know anything more than what is listed at the bottom of the page at http://knoppix.com/. I wish I knew more but I don't.

maxIT
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
is there going to be a knoppix 4.0? if there is is it going to be on dvd or a regular cd let me know99.9% of us here are not Knoppix developers so we do not know much if anything at all about future releases. I do not know of the release date and I do not know anything more than what is listed at the bottom of the page at http://knoppix.com/. I wish I knew more but I don't.

LinuxTAG is at 22 this month... :wink:

ziyad
06-15-2005, 04:38 AM
what about Dual CPU support.
How do i boot in SMP kernel

UnderScore
06-15-2005, 05:06 AM
what about Dual CPU support.
How do i boot in SMP kernelIts enabled by default in the default kernel. This is the News forum. Please create a separate post in the General forum if you need help.

knopx4me
06-15-2005, 03:51 PM
....... Also note that with the unionFS/Debian package management bug, see http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27, installing packages may crash the system.

Is there any news about resolving this bug?

UnderScore
06-15-2005, 03:53 PM
....... Also note that with the unionFS/Debian package management bug, see http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27, installing packages may crash the system.

Is there any news about resolving this bug?Umm did you actually read it recently? Klaus Knopper himself has commented on it.

knopx4me
06-16-2005, 02:00 PM
Thanks James. No, I did not. But now, I did. He said:
"This seems to be related to the unionfs snapshot from 26.5.05, and links in the menu structure when calling "update-menus". The latest snapshot still has this bug. Until there is a solution for this, we are reverting to unionfs 1.0.11. --KlausKnopper Sun Jun 12 23:41:14 CEST 2005"

knopx4me
06-17-2005, 12:15 PM
I removed the unionfs and knoppix-image packages and installed unionfs-module-2.6.11_1.0.9-2_i386.deb and knoppix-image_0.5-3_i386.deb which I got from knoppix 3.8-Cebit using dpkg-repack and remastered it but I still have the same problem. Do I have to do anything else? From where I can get unionfs-module-2.6.11_1.011_i386.deb? I did google but no results.

knopx4me
06-21-2005, 03:48 PM
I did an interesting experiment. I started the remastered knoppix 3.9 fromhd using knoppix 3.8 CD. I did not have this problem at all. I was able to get to /etc folder and see all the files which I was not able to do using a knoppix 3.9 CD.