Cuddles
12-02-2005, 07:19 PM
Is it right that Knoppix users are going less in number??
Is Ubuntu better than knoppix ??
First of all, this all sounds like "loaded" questions, anyway, but...
Being a person who started from Knoppix, and then "moved" to Kanotix, I think the numbers of Knoppix "users" going down, if, in fact, they really are, is because "some" people have used Knoppix as a "stepping stone", within Linux. I expected to be using Knoppix for the rest of my life, but, with finding out that Knoppix just isnt that pleasant to run, if you, say, want to hard drive install it, I found another "Distro" that was, which is also "based" off, or is an off-shoot of, Knoppix. If the number of Knoppix users are, in fact, going down, it is probably due to the fact that they have found what I have found, that, I have "evolved" further than Knoppix could take me.
ANALOGY TIME:
* You can use a wrench as a hammer, but, when you find a hammer, it is better suited for the task. In other words, if you dont know, or have, a hammer, you CAN use a wrench to nail something together, but, when you get a hammer, it is better suited for nailing than a wrench is. "Wrench" = Knoppix, "Hammer" = Kanotix -=- in my case, and my analogy here.
If you only use the wrench for its "intended" purpose, and only "require" a hammer, once, then a wrench is the right tool, whereas, if you do more hammering of nails, and less needs for a wrench, then a hammer is what you should be using, not the wrench.
As for the Ubuntu issue, from what I hear, this Distro is best "suited" for the newbies, or the ones coming from a "Windows" background... If Ubuntu is gaining more "users", are they simply "new users", or "Linux users"? The question is, are "Knoppix" users flowing to Ubuntu, or are "Windows" users going to Ubuntu?
Never tried Ubuntu, so I cant say, anything, about, comparing the two of them, together. BUT. If Knoppix users are flowing over to Ubuntu, it might have to do with, the "intended" purpose of the Distro, or, its "target" group, in which it was meant to fulfill. Again, this can be placed into the "Wrench & Hammer" analogy above...
From what I have seen, Knoppix's, intended target, and from what I have heard, is, for a LiveCD, and, at most, a "Poor Mans" hard drive install, Distro. Which, by the facts of these things, makes Knoppix more of a Distro to be run as a "side" OS, not the "main" one. Ubuntu, as I have heard, is more geared toward a "target" group of users who what to run it as there "main" OS, as is Kanotix, as well. If YOUR intent, is not the same as the Distro's "intended" use, chances are, you will be looking for another Distro to fulfill your needs. Or, as I said earlier, you will, or might, be, using the Distro as a "stepping stone" to another. In my case, Knoppix was a "stepping stone" to Kanotix; Knoppix didnt, or wasnt, intended for the purpose "I" wanted to use it, so, I used it as much as I could, realized that it want intended for my OWN uses, and moved to another Distro that was intended for MY purposes.
With Knoppix's, and Kanotix's, background, and strong ties to Debian SID, many users of these two Distros, DO, move up to that Distro. Many threads in both the Knoppix and Kanotix forums, contain topics of people who have moved from either Knoppix or Kanotix, over to a "pure" Debian SID install. But, this is only because of "personal" taste, or preferance, and, in some cases, the "intended" purpose. Many, myself included, attempted to continue to use a Distro for more than its "intended" use, and, in my case, I realized this, after a short time, and then moved to a Distro that was more "intended" for my purposes.
My final take on this...
I think Knoppix is a great Distro, it gets your feet wet in Linux, lets you learn, and grow... If your intention of getting into Linux, is to remove, or get rid of, or replace, another OS, Knoppix makes a great "starter" OS Distro. If your intention is to still keep your other OS, and "dabble" or have a secondary OS, then Knoppix is a great "keeper".
If you want a Linux install, and are coming "fresh" from Windows, I think, IMHO, Ubuntu may be a better "starter" OS for you - whether you want to remove Windows, or not. From what I hear, it is more close to Windows, but, still being Linux, which, a newbie may see as being better, than some Distro that is more Linux, than Windows is.
If you start out with a "starter" OS Distro, say, Knoppix, and you find you "grasp" the Linux way of doing things, and seem to be "outgrowing" the Disto, you may look to anything that will fill that bill; Kanotix, Debian "pure", RedHat, SuSE, you name it... You may never have gone out with this idea, i.e. getting Knoppix to try it, use it, and then move on, but, as I said, personal preferances, and intended purpose, will come into play, on a persons road of enlightenment in Linux.
I am not "dissing" Knoppix here, I am just stating what "I" did, and what Knoppix "DID" for me... It helped me get rid of Windows, learn Linux, grow, and have three systems, now, completely Linux, not one Windows thing is either attached as hardware, or OS, or running program, is Windows, and KNOPPIX is the credit to all of this! I may be running Kanotix now, but, I would have never been running Kanotix, if it wasnt for Knoppix, and what it did for me. Linux has a lot of Distro's, it encompasses many "flavors", but, they are all Linux. I chose Kanotix because it was "close to" Knoppix, which, is, probably, why I didnt flood over to Ubuntu. I liked Knoppix, its look and feel, its "Linux" flavor, and, from what I hear, Ubuntu is more "close to" Windows, not Knoppix.
Some, in my thinking, may be going to Ubuntu, because it "is" more close to Windows, cause Knoppix, and for that matter, Kanotix, isnt. Knoppix, and Kanotix, have strong "roots" firmly tied into Linux, and that may not be attractive to someone who wants a "Linux" "Windows" alternative OS. People will decide as they learn, grow, and find, another Distro. Which is why a lot of threads are showing up, on people finding another, or trying another, Distro, and reporting what they like, and dont like, about it... I "found" Knoppix, and thought it was the greatest... It just didnt do what "I" wanted it to do, so, I went with another Distro, that did, thats all.
Oh well, thats my take on this,
Ms. Cuddles
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