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Eppo
03-02-2008, 12:43 PM
New Announcement on knopper.net:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix53-en.html

After CeBIT, Version 5.3 will be available on the Knoppix-Mirrors for Download, mostly unchanged.

So it's time for a new topic "Knoppix 5.3" here. :wink:

Harry Kuhman
03-03-2008, 07:07 PM
OK, there's your new thread. Readers are cautioned that "will be available" does not make any statement about just when it will be available, and the implication of "mostly unchanged" is that some changes will be made.

pbs
03-03-2008, 08:18 PM
Meanwhile, an unofficial 5.3.0 torrent is available.
The Distrowatch news brief at http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080303#news
links to a torrent on LinuxTracker for KNOPPIX_V5.3.0DVD-2008-02-12-DE.iso
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=965d64311ce4db1f6d390bbad0fe0b93ee389fbd

eco2geek
03-04-2008, 11:47 PM
AFAIK the 5.2 release, like this one, was a c't magazine (http://www.heise.de/ct/english/) and CeBIT special. It's been a while since we had a public release - 5.1.1 came out in January, 2007.

Anyway, here are some screenshots of Knoppix 5.3. (Click the thumnails for a larger view, and watch out for the ad server cookies ImageShack likes to set.)

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5489/kde3desktop1op1.th.png (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde3desktop1op1.png)
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2656/kde3desktop2nd3.th.png (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde3desktop2nd3.png)
KDE 3 desktop

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6100/compizfusion1xw7.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compizfusion1xw7.png)
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7190/compizfusion2br8.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compizfusion2br8.png)
KDE 3 with compiz-fusion

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8009/kde4desktop1xy5.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde4desktop1xy5.png)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8960/kde4desktop2lo8.th.png (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde4desktop2lo8.png)
KDE 4.0.1 desktop (note the "Kubuntu" logo)

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4037/gnomedesktopgv0.th.png (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gnomedesktopgv0.png)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2559/xfce4desktopvj3.th.png (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce4desktopvj3.png)
GNOME and Xfce 4 desktops

Harry Kuhman
03-05-2008, 12:09 AM
Looks interesting, thanks. I'm not clear what the Kunbuntu reference in the 6th pic was, another computer on your network maybe? And what hardware were you running to get compiz-fusion working? Do you know if there is support for both Nvidia and ATI for compiz-fusion on the disc? (asked by someone who never could get Beryl to work in 5.1.x). Nice to see Virtualbox included, although I expect the nature of Knoppix kept out the proprietary parts that are still free for personal use; I'm surprised that Klaus didn't go for a purely open source virtualization tool. Now for the long wait until and if we get an official public release, you're correct there never was an official Internet release of 5.2.x, although we we led to expect one.

eco2geek
03-05-2008, 02:35 AM
There's a Kubuntu logo visible in the bottom right-hand corner of the KDE 4 "kickoff" menu. So Klaus must have used Kubuntu's KDE 4 packages.

In order to get compiz-fusion running, I downloaded and installed the latest nvidia driver (http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html) (v169.12) while running from the live DVD, and let the nvidia installer configure xorg.conf. (I tried installing an earlier version of the driver - v100.14.11 - and installation failed.) Then I used the command

compiz-manager & kde-window-decorator --replace &

from a Konsole window to start compiz-fusion. (For some reason, I couldn't find a way to use Emerald.)

Knoppix has a "switch desktop" command on the Knoppix menu (it's a link to /usr/sbin/restartx), and one of the choices is compiz-fusion. It started KDE with compiz-fusion running, but without a window decorator.

(I don't have any experience with ATI cards, except for the crappy Radeon XPress 200M chipset in my laptop, which requires XGL to run beryl or compiz.)

Harry Kuhman
03-05-2008, 05:42 AM
Looks interesting, thanks. I'm not clear what the Kunbuntu reference in the 6th pic was, another computer on your network maybe? And what hardware were you running to get compiz-fusion working? Do you know if there is support for both Nvidia and ATI for compiz-fusion on the disc? (asked by someone who never could get Beryl to work in 5.1.x). Nice to see Virtualbox included, although I expect the nature of Knoppix kept out the proprietary parts that are still free for personal use; I'm surprised that Klaus didn't go for a purely open source virtualization tool. Now for the long wait until and if we get an official public release, you're correct there never was an official Internet release of 5.2.x, although we were led to expect one.

macs
03-07-2008, 04:07 PM
OK, there's your new thread. Readers are cautioned that "will be available" does not make any statement about just when it will be available, and the implication of "mostly unchanged" is that some changes will be made.

If you prefer "completely unchanged", the CeBIT version is here:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4066611/knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso

For English as usual, lang=us ( shift-0 for = )

Harry Kuhman
03-07-2008, 07:39 PM
Thanks macs, but I prefer to wait for whatever Klaus decides id to be released to the Internet. Even, if like las year, it never gets released.

rosinskitg
03-08-2008, 06:54 PM
I downloaded knoppix 5.3 Geran version not realizing that it actually was all German version. Is there anyway I can make it into a permanent Enlish/USA one? Not just the keyboard either, I mean everything including the OS, programs and the whole distro load.

Jamsh
03-09-2008, 10:58 PM
At the boot prompt, type in - knoppix lang=us
Shift 0 gets the = sign

pnti
03-09-2008, 11:52 PM
Thanks macs, but I prefer to wait for whatever Klaus decides id to be released to the Internet. Even, if like las year, it never gets released.

Hello Harry,

Do you know how the cebit knoppix 5.3 is licensed?

Harry Kuhman
03-10-2008, 12:19 AM
Hello pnti, no I don't. I would expect it to be "open source" (even though the sources have been getting harder to come by with Knoppix versions). I don't know if it's GPL2, GPL3 or what. I expect that it's a mixture, maybe even some software with restrictions on it. I'm not clear on why you are asking this. My preference is simply to wait until Klaus sees fit to release his work to the Internet. I'm not saying that others who post it are breaking any law, don't know if they are or not, but I don't think it respects the author to release his work to the Internet before he chooses to. It may ever reduce the urgency in his mind to get an official Internet version released.

eco2geek
03-10-2008, 07:43 AM
I downloaded both DVD ISOs, and while the one from thepiratebay.org was little bit larger than the one from linuxtracker.org, the list of installed packages from each is identical.

(And apart from some proprietary drivers for something called an AVM Fritz!Card (http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZ_for_ISDN/index.html), on cursory inspection, I don't see any proprietary software.)

I also tried running the Knoppix installer to install Knoppix in "Debian" mode (twice) and ended up with a GRUB error 2 ("Bad file or directory type") when trying to access the kernel (or any file on the partition, for that matter) both times. So I gave up and reinstalled the distro I previously had on that partition, with no problems -- i.e. there's no problem with the partition itself. Bit of a mystery there.

Eppo
03-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Hello

Well, Knoppix in HD-Installation "debian=mode" is not a good idea. In the current c't Magazin the Installation is not decribed, only said Knoppix is a live-DVD and Installation not recommended..

But I changed my poorman install from version 5.2 to 5.3 and it works fine and, startet with grub in the mbr, it is fast enough for tests and work.

Visitors of the CEBit and K.Knopper's presentation of Knoppix 5.3 told, that K.K. mentioned version 5.3.1 will come for download "a week after CEBit".

nnigam
03-10-2008, 02:47 PM
I downloaded knoppix 5.3 Geran version not realizing that it actually was all German version. Is there anyway I can make it into a permanent Enlish/USA one? Not just the keyboard either, I mean everything including the OS, programs and the whole distro load.

Response from knopnet to me worked for 5.2 have note tired with 5.3 yet




Joined: 13 Nov 2005
Posts: 23

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:20 am


Maybe this will help:

1. Get 5.2 running in German.
2. Select the K Menu button.
3. Select Kontrollzentrum.
4. Select Regionaleinstellungen.
5. Select Land/Region & Sprache.
6. Select Sprache Hinzufugen.
7. Select US-Englisch.
8. Select US English.
9. Select Anwenden.
10. Select OK.
11. Wait.
12. Select Datei.
13. Select Beenden.
14. Select K Menu button.
15. Select Abmelden.
16. Select Aktuelle Sitzung Beenden.
17. Wait.
18 Enjoy.
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The humor-impaired should stop reading here.
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One of you Deutsch sprechen sheisskopfen could have helped an inbred hillbilly out a little with this one.

pnti
03-12-2008, 09:49 AM
Hello pnti, no I don't. I would expect it to be "open source" (even though the sources have been getting harder to come by with Knoppix versions). I don't know if it's GPL2, GPL3 or what. I expect that it's a mixture, maybe even some software with restrictions on it. I'm not clear on why you are asking this. My preference is simply to wait until Klaus sees fit to release his work to the Internet. I'm not saying that others who post it are breaking any law, don't know if they are or not, but I don't think it respects the author to release his work to the Internet before he chooses to. It may ever reduce the urgency in his mind to get an official Internet version released.

Hello Harry,

Thanks for your response. I asked you about formal status of the new Knoppix simply because I assume that you are the expert in this matter.

I am one of very few who used not to break computer (?) law. I don't use any p2p software to download movies, songs, software and so on. I assume that most users of Free/Open Software follow the rules and understand our common interest. For instance I am not going to distribute new Knoppix until it is publically available.

But on the other hand KNX 5.3 IS available on Cebit and enclosed to ct magazine so in my oppinion there is no reason to wait to start talking about new Knoppix. WE are the Knopper's army :-) .

ruymbeke
03-13-2008, 03:57 AM
Hi,
FYI, the KNOPPIX_V5.3.0DVD-2008-02-12-DE.iso available via bittorrnet on
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=965d64311ce4db1f6d390bbad0fe0b93ee389fbd
is incomplete since the end part of the DVD is missing and leads to corrupted files.

The bittorrent http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4066611/knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso
can be used to check and update an incomplete iso (after renaming the file) and avoid re-downloading the whole thing again.
Hope this helps,
Gilles

ruymbeke
03-13-2008, 04:02 AM
Since I did not get an answer on the debian mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-knoppix/2008/03/msg00013.html
I will try again in here:

In order to customize your minirt and some features like: iso boot from ntfs, customized hostname,...
I found out this problem: how do you extract the content of the Knoppix 5.3.0 minirt.gz ?
Usually "gunzip initrd.gz" and "cpio -imvd -I ../initrd" does the job but not this time:
Each files of the minirt cpio archive file contains a leading "/" which makes the data of the minirt cpio archive
to be stored in the "root" instead of the current directory, overriding the system files of the running system.
I cannot find any cpio option to override the leading "/".
Please help...
Thank you and Best Regards,
Gilles

macs
03-14-2008, 05:26 AM
Since I did not get an answer on the debian mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-knoppix/2008/03/msg00013.html
I will try again in here:

In order to customize your minirt and some features like: iso boot from ntfs, customized hostname,...
I found out this problem: how do you extract the content of the Knoppix 5.3.0 minirt.gz ?
Usually "gunzip initrd.gz" and "cpio -imvd -I ../initrd" does the job but not this time:
Each files of the minirt cpio archive file contains a leading "/" which makes the data of the minirt cpio archive
to be stored in the "root" instead of the current directory, overriding the system files of the running system.
I cannot find any cpio option to override the leading "/".
Please help...
Thank you and Best Regards,
Gilles
First of all, thanks for pointing out that the linuxtracker torrent provides an incomplete copy of the CeBIT image. I suspected as much!

You probably already have a workaround for the Knoppix customization, but I'll post some stream-of-consciousness ideas just in case.
1) Hack the cpio file directories with sed or hexedit.
2) Use chroot to provide a safe root.
3) Use unionfs or aufs to provide a safe root.
4) Use pax to convert to and from tar.
5) Use pax directly.

eco2geek
03-16-2008, 05:59 AM
Hi,
FYI, the KNOPPIX_V5.3.0DVD-2008-02-12-DE.iso available via bittorrnet on
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=965d64311ce4db1f6d390bbad0fe0b93ee389fbd
is incomplete since the end part of the DVD is missing and leads to corrupted files.

The bittorrent http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4066611/knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso
can be used to check and update an incomplete iso (after renaming the file) and avoid re-downloading the whole thing again.
Hope this helps,
Gilles
Ah, so that's why the file sizes are different. (Even so, I didn't experience any problems running the one from LinuxTracker.)

Good luck creating an NTFS-bootable minirt, and thanks for all your work.

Eppo
03-17-2008, 03:56 PM
FYI:
The current status of Knoppix 5.3.1:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-knoppix/2008/03/msg00019.html

( I found the link at distrowatch.com )

Harry Kuhman
03-17-2008, 09:18 PM
.... version 5.3.1 will come for download "a week after CEBit".
Well, I was pretty doubtful that this target date would be made. CEBit opened 2 weeks ago now, and closed over a week ago. Looks like we have already slipped another week. See Eppo's post here (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117136#117136), which gives what Klaus calls an "Internal release date" of this coming Saturday. I'm not sure what an Internal date is for a version that is released directly to the Internet, not to manufacturing, but I figure this date has about even odds of being met. Unless Internal means it is released to a few key testers, which could mean several more weeks of delay for testing and any additional fixes. If it does come out this weekend though I would suggest that users burn this release to rewriteable media and watch for a bug fix version a few weeks later. (We are those testers!) And, of course, stay away from the e-bay resellers unless you want your marginal high speed burn to be outdated by the time it arrives.

I hope I'm wrong on that, but Klaus seems to feel he is under pressure to get something out to the Internet after 5.2x never made it out (we basically still have the 2006 trade show version with some minor fixes). Start watching the official torrent tracker (http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/) starting this weekend though.

johnrw
03-19-2008, 11:06 AM
Hi,
FYI, the KNOPPIX_V5.3.0DVD-2008-02-12-DE.iso available via bittorrnet on
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=965d64311ce4db1f6d390bbad0fe0b93ee389fbd
is incomplete since the end part of the DVD is missing and leads to corrupted files.

The bittorrent http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4066611/knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso
can be used to check and update an incomplete iso (after renaming the file) and avoid re-downloading the whole thing again.
Hope this helps,
Gilles

I just had to let them know about it. http://linuxtracker.org/smf/index.php?topic=97.0

I took the 4.2 gig file from the knoppix iso hosted through your torrent here (http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=965d64311ce4db1f6d390bbad0fe0b93ee389fbd) and copied it into the one at piratebay's download dir on my machine. Then I renamed it to match the name for the piratebay torrent's iso file. That torrent gets knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso (http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4066611/knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso)
which repaired your's by getting just the last 16 chunks.

You can see the post from Gilles over at the Knoppix forum confirming this... http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117095#117095

The correct file md5sum is
md5sum: 0d88e792f397e918b867c9c6836cd9a7 knoppix-5.3-dvd-ct-heise.de-cebit2008-edition.iso
size: 4,575,754,240 bytes

while yours is
md5sum:
97f3a3e43d5907a4faa96f6a059014eb KNOPPIX_V5.3.0DVD-2008-02-12-DE.iso
size: 4,544,249,856 bytes

greymnk
03-27-2008, 12:01 AM
knoppix 5.3.1 released! The more the merrier.

http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/

johnrw
03-27-2008, 01:57 AM
knoppix 5.3.1 released! The more the merrier.

http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/

I'm in... and Thank You Klaus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers!

Monsuco
03-27-2008, 05:35 AM
Is there a CD version or is there only a DVD version? I could use a new CD version to update my flashdrive's copy of knoppix.

Harry Kuhman
03-27-2008, 05:47 AM
Is there a CD version .....
Only a DVD version for now (in both English[EN] and German[DE] versions). In the past a CD version has come out later, although if serious bugs are caught there may be no CD release of this version and we would have to wait for the bug fixes and the next DVD first. Of course, a CD version is a handy thing to have, as there are still a lot of systems that can boot a CD and not a DVD. But at least we are starting to see a new release. My download is at 21.9% as I write this.

Monsuco
03-27-2008, 07:46 AM
So how much of a lag between DVD and CD is there generally? I am so thrilled this has finally come out, I was growing quite tired of having to use software from a year ago.

Harry Kuhman
03-27-2008, 09:59 PM
Just a few first observations on 5.3.1. I've been playing with it for a little over an hour now:

I'm glad to have a new release after quite a long wait (although there was a Jan '07 release of 5.1.1, this is really the first major update in about two years). But I didn't see a lot of big changes. There is no list of changes, closest there would be is a list of packages on the DVD.

The DVD boots fine on a new HP DV6000 laptop. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot on my Compaq Presario 1700 notebook, and the problem is not apparent. It doesn't seem to be a cheat code issue, as the boot gets into the GUI just fine and even lets me open SDA1 if I want; but the boot just never finishes and I never get the menu items in the bottom toolbar (as a result I can't run much of anything and have to power off rater than do a normal shutdown). I'll need to do more experimenting on other systems and perhaps with another burn of the DVD. No good understanding of this yet, but I'm mentioning this now in case others are seeing it also.

VirtualBOX is iincluded. I'm looking forward to trying out an alternative virtual machine system to VMware, although I'm quite happy with VMware. No virtual machines were included, so users will have to start from scratch and create their own.

I was really shocked that GIMP does NOT seem to be included, at least it wasn't in the Graphics menu. Of course, any Live DVD has to choose which programs to include and which to omit and there's no pleasing everyone, but this is one of the most well known major open source applications. I'm hard pressed to understand why it isn't there.

5.0x and 5.1x were a major disappointment for me in the wireless area, interfaces that I have that worked in 4.02 stopped working, and interfaces that other Linux Live CD recognize have never been recognized at all by Knoppix. I was hoping that 5.3.1 would improve the wireless situation, but at least for me this does not seem to be the case. I'm still having problems recognizing hardware and connecting o a system that could connect in 4.02. And WPA still seems to be missing (WEP has been so badly broken in the last year that it's foolish to use it at all now, not that it was ever safe.) This is unfortunate because with all of the problems wifi faces, I would prefer to use a Live DVD if I ever surf the web from a public access point rather than expose my installed system to attacks. But Knoppix 5.3.1 sure doesn't play well with my hardware. Others with different hardware and not needing WPA (it's not used by many public access spots, after all) may fare better. I do expect the posts by newbees in these forums who expect and want wireless support with continue and increase though.

Just a very minor issue: The menu system doesn't seem very well thought out or polished. Why, for example, have a sub-menu on a Live DVD with only one item in it, as is the case in multimedia/video ? The application could just as well be moved to the next level up and the sub-menu eliminated.

Overall, I'm glad to see a new version of Knoppix has come out. I do expect and hope that there are a lot of improvements that are not immidately apparent. I'll certainly be keeping a copy of this in my case of discs that I take with me troubleshooting. But I'm not likely to hand out copies of this version like I did with the 3.x and 4.02 versions. I want to fnd something more polished and with better wifi support to introduce new users to Linux.

nalini
03-28-2008, 05:46 AM
I am really happy to see knoppix 5.3.1. Eagerly waiting for CD version. I hope re mastering procedure remains the same.

eco2geek
03-28-2008, 06:51 AM
I was really shocked that GIMP does NOT seem to be included, at least it wasn't in the Graphics menu.
It's there, it's just hidden in Lost & Found > Graphics. Which brings us to...


The menu system doesn't seem very well thought out or polished.
The K menu's simply atrocious. Granted, there's a gazillion programs on this DVD, but it could use a lot more organization. A ton of stuff ended up in "Lost & Found."

There seems to be a problem while loading a persistent disk image. After the success message, this error message comes up:

rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/UNIONFS/etc/ssh/.wh..wh..opq": Operation not permitted (1)
At that point, if I press Ctrl+C, I get the message

rsync error: received SIGINT, SIGTERM, or SIGHUP (code 20) at rsync.c(506) [sender=3.0.0]
and it seems to load the persistent image fine. (Mine's on a FAT32 partition.)

ruymbeke
03-30-2008, 11:05 AM
Hello,
I tried the Knoppix 5.3.1 Terminal Server and it doesn't work:
cf: http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/pxe531.jpg
Hope Klaus will fix it...

PS: Please find below an update for my Knoppix 5.3.1 ISO boot (with "ntfs_rw" cheatcode)
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117224#117224

Best Regards,
Gilles

maybeway36
04-01-2008, 02:24 AM
On the DVD, are there KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2 files in the KNOPPIX directory, or is there no KNOPPIX2?

Harry Kuhman
04-01-2008, 02:37 AM
On the DVD, are there KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2 files in the KNOPPIX directory, or is there no KNOPPIX2?
There are still 2 files, KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2. They are now in a subdirectory of the Knoppix directory called gigantic. Strangely, the original reason given why there had to be two files was that ISO9660 format required files be less than 2 gig in size, thus the large compressed file had to be broken into multiple files. But in 5.3.1 the KNOPPIX file is 2,759,431,989 bytes. So I assume that ISO9660 compatibility is no longer an issue. Why there are still two files then is a mystery.

nnigam
04-02-2008, 09:02 PM
I tried virtualbox, and when installling the guest OS, (XPPro), I received an error message that virtualbox-ose-modules needs to be installed. Anyone else have this message. Can this be installed without creating the presistent disk image since I am still testing the system?
Thanks
Neeraj

cbagger01
04-03-2008, 01:04 AM
On the DVD, are there KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2 files in the KNOPPIX directory, or is there no KNOPPIX2?
There are still 2 files, KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2. They are now in a subdirectory of the Knoppix directory called gigantic. Strangely, the original reason given why there had to be two files was that ISO9660 format required files be less than 2 gig in size, thus the large compressed file had to be broken into multiple files. But in 5.3.1 the KNOPPIX file is 2,759,431,989 bytes. So I assume that ISO9660 compatibility is no longer an issue. Why there are still two files then is a mystery.

Actually, ISO9660 is reported to have a 4GB file size limitation.

I guess KNOPPIX file size is limited for some other purpose. Maybe there are some operating systems or file systems that do not play nice with files larger than 2,759,431,989 bytes.

Or maybe there is some organizational reason to keep the two compressed filesystems split in a certain way.

I suppose someone could ask Mr. Knopper if he/she wants to know the definitive answer.

Harry Kuhman
04-03-2008, 01:17 AM
Actually, ISO9660 is reported to have a 4GB file size limitation.
The first official Knoppix DVD was under 4 gig in size, but still had the compressed file split in two, and this was the reason given, right or wrong.

nambiar
04-03-2008, 10:13 AM
Hi,

I checked out a few download mirrors - but could not find the CD iso of Knoppix 5.3.1. There are DVD iso's.

The last CD version of Knoppix I can see is 5.1.

Does any know where the CD iso of Knoppix 5.3.1 can be downloaded?
Are future releases of Knoppix discontinued on CD?

Thanks,
M.K.Nambiar

cvevans
04-03-2008, 09:28 PM
now that the KNOPPIX compressed file is over 2G, extract_compressed_fs fails at 2.1G processed

maybeway36
04-04-2008, 12:06 AM
On the old KNOPPIX 5.1, the KNOPPIX file was ~700MB so it would fit on a CD, and KNOPPIX2 took up the rest of the space on the DVD. I think that was why there were two files.

ruymbeke
04-12-2008, 10:52 PM
Hello,
I created a Knoppix 5.3.1 report page:
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/5.3.1DVD
Best Regards,
Gilles

PS: it would be good to know how we could help Klaus in proposing bug fixes and/or testing new betas...

ruymbeke
04-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Hello,
Please accept my apologies, the Knoppix 5.3.1 Terminal Server does work.
(as suggested by others I had a setup problem)
Thanks,
Gilles

johnrw
04-15-2008, 03:56 AM
Still I am glad to have the new bug page. And........ I'm glad to hear that it is working.

GUI_Hopper
04-26-2008, 04:23 AM
I like KNOPPIX 5.3.1 on DVD but updating or adding software was a problem.

I updated the "BUG Page" at http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/5.3.1DVD with my awkward solution.

What is the best way to keep software updated? Do I need to burn DVD every few days?

Harry Kuhman
04-29-2008, 07:10 AM
It's now over a month since the DVD of Knoppix 5.3.1 came out and there is still no CD version available. Does anyone know if Klaus has officially announced that there will be no more CD versions, announced the intention to make a CD version eventually, or has said nothing on the subject? I guess there are Live Linux distros that are better in some ways than Knoppix for Live CD and USB key work, but if it's gone I'll still miss the Knoppx CD. It was a great disc to carry around in my "emergency kit", and CD is still a better choice than DVD for being able to boot on almost any system.

tikitikitimbo
05-09-2008, 03:42 PM
I'm also one of these people checking back every week or so to see when the CD version shows up. But I'm wondering if there is a way to make the CD version from the DVD version. Obviously there is a way to do anything since it's all FOSS but I mean a fairly simple way that was intentionally put into the DVD version for such a purpose. Earlier in this 5.3 news thread there was something about the size of files being broken down into smaller units. Is it possible that there is a CD version bundled within the DVD version that could be extracted fairly easily?

Or has anybody else remastered a CD version off of the 5.3 DVD? I noticed that Kanotix actually did have a fairly recent upgrade which was interesting because it sounded like there wasn't going to be anything else coming out of that project after one of the devs split a few years ago.

Oh yeah, and since I'm here posting on 5.3, let me pose a question to anbody who has played with it. The question is this: In the move from 5.01 to 5.11 there were bunch of changes in the locations of some important files from /usr/init.d/ to /usr/sbin. Does that remain the case in 5.3? Personally I've found FTPing into a 5.11 maching problematic. It works sometimes but not others and if I boot the same machine with 5.01 or earlier I have no problems so it seems like something is buggy about this relocation. Any input on that?

cbagger01
05-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Last week I read a post on the mailing list archives. The poster suggested that Klaus was looking for some suggestions to list the software that should be included on the CD version as opposed to the DVD version.

So it looks hopeful that some kind of KNOPPIX 5.3.X live CD will arrive soon.

I hope so because the CD version is more universal because there are many computers that do not have DVD drives and also 1GB USB thumb drives are much cheaper than 4GB drives.

hat_monkey
05-15-2008, 04:44 PM
I'd be happy with a cd that could just boot the dvd.iso. surely that isnt a big ask to those in the know..

ruymbeke
05-16-2008, 05:57 AM
I'd be happy with a cd that could just boot the dvd.iso. surely that isnt a big ask to those in the know..
You may want to try booting from the iso using grub 4 dos (non invasive boot loader allowing for multi boot) + kernel + customized initrt, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117224#117224
I used it every day for the very same reason: I do not have a DVD/CD on my machines and iso boot is much faster as well...
Hope this helps,
Gilles

jogeedaklown
05-16-2008, 11:15 PM
Yeah! I hope there is a CD version of 5.3.x really soon. I've made an attempt to build a CD version of 5.3.1 but I ran into a few problems. I even posted here on this forum to get some help but at the time of writing this reply, I have not have not gotten any responses. Here the link.

http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28839

Jose Torres

nogg
05-27-2008, 04:29 PM
GOOD NEWS!
go to following url for a 5.3.1 CD (YES CD!)

it includes some virtual s/w as well...


ftp://ring.aist.go.jp/archives/linux/knoppix/iso/knoppix_v5.3.1CD_20080326_xen3.2.1-20080519.iso

CyD
05-29-2008, 08:22 PM
GOOD NEWS!
go to following url for a 5.3.1 CD (YES CD!)...

Thank you soooo much!!!!!

maybeway36
05-31-2008, 09:49 PM
Here's the official website of that project:
http://www.rcis.aist.go.jp/project/knoppix/
It's in Japanese, so you will probably need to translate with something like Google.

maybeway36
06-02-2008, 03:08 AM
Here's how to make a modified version of the KNOPPIX Japanese Edition ISO that defaults to English:
(Note: run all these commands as root.)
1. Download the CD image knoppix_v5.3.1CD_20080326-20080520-AC.iso from the web site (http://www.rcis.aist.go.jp/project/knoppix/.) A torrent is also available.
2. Mount the ISO, copy the contents, unmount it, and change to read-write.

mkdir knoppix2
mount -o loop knoppix_v5.3.1CD_20080326-20080520-AC.iso knoppix2
cp -r knoppix2 knoppix
umount knoppix2
rmdir knoppix2
chmod +w -R knoppix
3. Edit the isolinux.cfg to make the default language "us":

perl -pi -e 's/lang=jp/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
perl -pi -e 's/lang=ja/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
4. Regenerate the md5sums (optional but recommended):

cd knoppix
find -type f -not -name md5sums -not -name boot.cat -not -name isolinux.bin \
-exec md5sum '{}' \; > KNOPPIX/md5sums
cd ..
5. Make the ISO image.

genisoimage -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 \
-boot-info-table -b boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot/isolinux/boot.cat \
-hide-rr-moved -o knoppix.iso knoppix
6. Burn to a CD and enjoy!

rozen
06-03-2008, 02:38 AM
Thanks to maybeway36 for showing me how to manipulate the .iso to change the language. The proceedure ran faultlessly.

I have been around Unix-Linux-Knoppix for a long time and never realized that mount could do such wizardry.

Thanks Again,
Don

tikitikitimbo
06-03-2008, 10:09 PM
First off, that isolinux.cfg remaster tip is the fastest tuorial I've seen. Very nice.

But I just want to give me two cents on that iso. I recognize these guys from the "quick boot" version of a few years ago and I used their stuff to play with virtualization. Totally appreciate the work and made a half dozen copies and played with it. Not surprisingly, I found that it was a little bit different than what I'd expect from the official CD.

First off --no Midnight Commander. I don't know what it is with Asian remasters, but they always dump MC. I use a variety of Taiwanese remasters and they never include MC which makes them painful to use for me. Next, of course they have their own grub setup to inclue all the virtualization options. That's cool and it's less of an issue with that short and sweet isolinux.cfg remaster tip since you can set the default to be whatever you want but I'd still prefer to have the official Knoppix grub screens along with the freeDOS boot which I found useful for dealing with troublesome FAT partitions. Also, I found that something weird was going on with the samba. I have to type in IPs to get samba connects. Again, I think that has something to do with the virtualization stuff on that particular iso.

So yeah it's cool. Nice little preview I suppose but not quite the same as a new official Knoppix CD release. It was nice to see that basically not much has changed. I'm wondering if mencoder makes it into the final CD release. I see the ffmpeg is on that Japanese iso and I guess that's what K3B is using for a DVD ripper. Mencoder and transcode would be nice though.

nalini
06-04-2008, 11:04 AM
Here's the official website of that project:
http://www.rcis.aist.go.jp/project/knoppix/
It's in Japanese, so you will probably need to translate with something like Google.

CD version is really a life saver . I think I will be able to continue my project for another year without shifting to any other option.

Thanks to the team who has done this work.

nogg
06-04-2008, 01:20 PM
yes, I miss MC as well
I just thought I would let everyone know it was available.
Having tried it for a while now, I am sticking with 5.1.1

I thought 5.3.1 would have kde4, but it doesn't so I can't see any other benefit.
I can't imangine running virtualisation from a live cd, and having installed it on a test system,
it always reboots the wrong kernel and setting up vbox is only 1.5.6 and I am using 1.6 elsewhere already.

Nice to see it, to see it nice, but it doesn't do what 5.1.1 does for me already!

nalini
06-05-2008, 05:29 AM
yes, I miss MC as well
I just thought I would let everyone know it was available.
Having tried it for a while now, I am sticking with 5.1.1

I thought 5.3.1 would have kde4, but it doesn't so I can't see any other benefit.
I can't imangine running virtualisation from a live cd, and having installed it on a test system,
it always reboots the wrong kernel and setting up vbox is only 1.5.6 and I am using 1.6 elsewhere already.

Nice to see it, to see it nice, but it doesn't do what 5.1.1 does for me already!

May be a CD version from Klaus knopper's team would have been much more useful, but atleast it gives a base to people who are using extensively remastered versions of knoppix. I actually wanted to create a CD from DVD found it a tedious and time taking job.

So as of now something is better than nothing.

maybeway36
06-06-2008, 05:21 PM
There are two CD versions on the site. One has virtualization software on it. The other (which I used) doesn't, but it's bigger, so I suppose it has more apps on it. Try that one if you haven't already.

hat_monkey
06-10-2008, 05:37 AM
You may want to try booting from the iso using grub 4 dos (non invasive boot loader allowing for multi boot) + kernel + customized initrt, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117224#117224
I used it every day for the very same reason: I do not have a DVD/CD on my machines and iso boot is much faster as well...
Hope this helps,
Gilles thanks for that link Gilles. Yes .iso grub boot is preferable but I still Havent found time to wrap my head around the whole long thread. A short conscise summary how to would be nice.
Can someone confirm that the japanese CD will boot the DVD.iso

Jwilli
06-12-2008, 11:58 PM
I just got Knoppix version 5.3.1 DVD running, and I 'm very impressed with the amount of software that comes with it.

Is there a list of the applications included and description of what they do?

Thanks,
Jwilli

Harry Kuhman
06-13-2008, 12:03 AM
...Is there a list of the applications included and description of what they do? .....
Well, yea. It's named packages-dvd.txt and it came with your torrent download. If you didn't download via BitTorrent, shame on you, but I would expect the file to be on the mirrors also.

MaldiGola
06-17-2008, 04:58 PM
So has there been any OFFICIAL word from Klaus that there will NOT be a CD version?

hat_monkey
06-17-2008, 07:16 PM
NB: this Knoppix.DVD.iso at over 4 gig will NOT download to or copy to a FAT32 partition no matter how much free space is available on the partition.

hat_monkey
06-26-2008, 07:59 AM
Hello,
Please find below the link to my first shoot at an updated Knoppix 5.3.1 minirt supporting ISO boot from ntfs, fat, ext, reiser,...
http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knx531.zip (Md5: 5516434f6c74b3fd3f7cb941de6edd47 *knx531.zip )
For your convenience, the zip file includes: grldr, grub.exe, menu.lst, linux (kernel) and minirt_531.gz.
Please note that as requested by John Woods, I also included the "ntfs_rw" kernel cheatcode
(besides all the previously added cheatcodes as hostname=[mycustomname|auto-clock|auto-mac], ...)
FYI, this is the grub menu.lst config file I used:


Code:
title Knoppix 5.3.1 from sda1 ISO
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.531/*.iso vga=791 noprompt apm=power-off nomce quiet lang=us dma screen=1024x768 hostname=knx531 highres=off loglevel=0 libata.atapi_enabled=1 SELINUX_INIT=NO nmi_watchdog=0 ntfs_rw
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/minirt_531.gz
boot

Have fun and please provide some feedback !
Best Regards,
Gilles

ok so above is all that needs to be read from thread
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117224#117224 .

posted from knoppix5.3.1. running on USB grub booted from knoppix5.3.1DVD.iso.
gracious.

tsfftf
07-05-2008, 05:01 PM
when can i get hold of knoppix 5.3 CD VERSION?

it seems as though the CD version is getting dropped? not seen one since 5.1 - what is happening?

mr-roboto
07-09-2008, 03:51 PM
<snip>

May be a CD version from Klaus knopper's team would have been much more useful, but atleast it gives a base to people who are using extensively remastered versions of knoppix. I actually wanted to create a CD from DVD found it a tedious and time taking job.

So as of now something is better than nothing.

The idea that there is a team working on Knoppix is my sole criticism w/ this master tech: I think this great project is a one-man show, hence the long break bet releases. So you get whatever you get, whenever it appears. Knopper obviously has huge tech skills and vision, but really needs to find a modest team and delegate some of work to others....

hat_monkey
07-19-2008, 10:17 AM
Hello,
Please find below the link to my first shoot at an updated Knoppix 5.3.1 minirt supporting ISO boot from ntfs, fat, ext, reiser,...
http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knx531.zip (Md5: 5516434f6c74b3fd3f7cb941de6edd47 *knx531.zip )
For your convenience, the zip file includes: grldr, grub.exe, menu.lst, linux (kernel) and minirt_531.gz.
Please note that as requested by John Woods, I also included the "ntfs_rw" kernel cheatcode
(besides all the previously added cheatcodes as hostname=[mycustomname|auto-clock|auto-mac], ...)
FYI, this is the grub menu.lst config file I used:


Code:
title Knoppix 5.3.1 from sda1 ISO
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.531/*.iso vga=791 noprompt apm=power-off nomce quiet lang=us dma screen=1024x768 hostname=knx531 highres=off loglevel=0 libata.atapi_enabled=1 SELINUX_INIT=NO nmi_watchdog=0 ntfs_rw
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/minirt_531.gz
boot

Have fun and please provide some feedback !
Best Regards,
Gilles
On my computer at least, if in the menu.lst of grub you change vga=791 to vga=785 you will no longer be told that you have passed a invalid code during the boot process every time you boot up.

amaiman
08-24-2008, 04:01 PM
Here's how to make a modified version of the KNOPPIX Japanese Edition ISO that defaults to English:
3. Edit the isolinux.cfg to make the default language "us":

perl -pi -e 's/lang=jp/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg

I had to use the following command to make it work: (The isolinux.cfg had 'ja' at the language code, not 'jp')

perl -pi -e 's/lang=ja/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg

Anyway, if anyone wants to save the time of making the change yourself, here's a link to the patched ISO (Knoppix 5.3 CD version, file size 733239296 bytes) that I made using mabeway36's instructions:
http://www2.maiman.net/knoppix

I don't have the bandwidth to host the ISO for a large number of downloads, so it's in torrent format.

Chris2222
09-10-2008, 12:21 AM
Regarding the official Knoppix 5.3.1 live CD version. I believe Klauss may release one at one point but I believe he's hard at work concentrating working on the next version of Knoppix and he's leaving it up to us to create Live CD's for each other.

We can thank an earlier chap for creating one for us so we can all have a look. :D

Maybe someone can shed some light on this. Is 5.3.1 better than 5.1.1? I've been hearing people migrating back to work with 5.1.1 :shock: Confuses me on which one people should begin with.

Any opinions?

fergus
10-06-2008, 02:26 PM
I've got 5.1.1 on CD and 5.3.1 on DVD (the official version in both cases). They are not really comparable because the DVD version offers so much more than the CD version, but I find that both work excellently. The DVD version has a couple of things that I need that the CD version lacks, including gnuplot and gcc, so during sessions that I need them, I use the DVD. From a purely physical point of view, the DVD sometimes fails to boot on my work machine (maybe 2/10 of occasions) whereas it always boots successfully at home (being the machine on which the DVD was created, as it happens). I think the engineering tolerances are so fine because of the amount squeezed into the DVD, that the reader simply fails sometimes. I think it's this kind of failure that causes some users to throw their arms into the air, panic and revert. (Why is this? If their car fails to start, do people throw it away or go and buy the old one back? People seem to have expectations of software and hardware that would be obviously unrealistc in any other context.) I do not regard either version as "better" than the other, it's just that one of them is bigger. They are both staggeringly good!
Fergus

Harry Kuhman
10-06-2008, 09:23 PM
.....the DVD sometimes fails to boot on my work machine (maybe 2/10 of occasions) whereas it always boots successfully at home (being the machine on which the DVD was created, as it happens). I think the engineering tolerances are so fine because of the amount squeezed into the DVD, that the reader simply fails sometimes. I think it's this kind of failure that causes some users to throw their arms into the air, panic and revert.....
DVDs can hold a lot of data, even the single layer ones that you would use for Knoppix. (Clearly this is not an issue about how much Knoppix packs on specifically, as it packs the data at the same density as any other program would, even if you wrote Puppy Linux to a DVD the spiral would be the same spacing it is with Knoppix). Yea, there do seem to be a lot of slight tolerance issues. These are inflated greatly by doing a burn at high speed. DVD media is also am issue, I have some media that gives me a lot of bad burns when I do everything correct and burn at low speed, other brands that give me much better results. Brand name or paying a lot is no assurance of media quality. I do all of my DVD burns at 4x. Yea, i could do them faster at higher speeds, all of my burners (except maybe the one in my notebook) are rated a lot faster, and all of my media is rated at at least 8x, but doing so leads to problems. Unfortunately, while I have found that the slower I do a CD burn the better quality it is, I have seen some issues on DVD burns when I go at speeds below 4x, so for me all DVD burns (on non-rewritable media) are done at 4x). If you burned at a faster speed I suggest that you try burning another disc at low speed and see if it doesn't boot more reliably on your work system. Other things to try are different media and even burning the DVD at low speed at work. There are some problems booting the Knoppix DVD that seem to be BIOS related, which are understandably extremely frustrating for new users, but your problem does indeed seem to be one of micro tolerances or even dust or oil on optics, and there is a good chance that you could resolve it, particularly if your original burn was at a speed greater than 4x.

hat_monkey
10-12-2008, 04:55 AM
Grub booting the DVD.iso from/on/in a Usb stick has none of these DVD issue problems and there is no need to revert for any reason. However i do use puppy if i need Wifi.

cvevans
10-17-2008, 07:26 PM
Maybe someone can shed some light on this. Is 5.3.1 better than 5.1.1? I've been hearing people migrating back to work with 5.1.1 :shock: Confuses me on which one people should begin with.

Any opinions?

I found 5.1.1 very stable if you avoid a few gotchas (ran 6mo w/o reboot).
OTOH 5.3.1 has already taken a dive twice (on a P2 and on a Xeon HT with ECC RAM)
when KDE 3.5.9 (or X?) got stuck during alt-tab and I had to ctrl-alt-backspace out of X losing
all open work.
KDE 3.5.9 printing has died twice (OO would still print, but not kwrite)
KDE 3.5.9 got stuck changing themes and would no longer start konqueror.

5.1.1 was not perfect - OpenOffice killed KDE (X?) frequently, so one would have to upgrade that.
Kalarm often crashed KDE (but the maintainer has a fixed version).
Dragging tabs in Firefox crashed KDE (hardlocked once dragging to 2nd window IIRC) in 5.1.1
5.1.1's LVM died when an external USB drive w LVM2 did a random disconnect -
my other external HD's LVMs all got disconnected too! LVM froze!
but 5.3.1 is still changing external HD path (sda1->sdb1, sda2->sdb2) on momentary disconnects, so that is not fixed yet. (USB drops for split second, even with 2 head usb cable, usually during an rsync backup.)
This has happened repeatably with 3 drives on 3 machines - not rare on 5.1.1 or 5.3.1. Flash drives & HD's.
All 3 drives had already passed mke2fs -cc torture tests w no disconnect on plain USB cables.

5.1.1 will not make a useable persistent image file - apt will fail early and often.
(5.3.1 puts lots of copies of the .wh. tree on the image - make the image file twice the size you need)
5.1.1 seems to leak memory, so use a 4G swap if you don't reboot often.
It fragments RAM, so you need at least 750M ram if you don't reboot often.
5.1.1 has many security patches to do for kernel & X - not easy.

Making a new custom minirt.gz for 5.1.1 is easy.
I have 20+ failed minirt.gz for 5.3.1, zero working - even just touch a file and it won't load.
(I did a chroot, followed the howto's etc.)

If etch-backports has what you need, and you don't need support for new hardware, 5.1.1 can be good.
I feel stuck with too many packages too many versions back.
5.3.1 is not trouble-free in this regard - some updates drag in 30+ other updates unless you
guess the right sequence to apt-get

Which to use? I guess it depends on your needs.
Charles

Béèm
10-27-2008, 10:16 AM
Having problems to have my sata HDD in a MD8818 seen, I wanted to try the latest 5.3.1 CD to see if support is added now.
All I seem to find as official release is the DVD, which is too huge at this stage.

Through search I found an announcement of a 5.3.1 CD, but it's not clear if it is an official piec of work.
In any case, the link to this release either give time outs or I get always a message that the max allowed users (50) is reached.

Is there another place to download this 5.3.1.CD?

maybeway36
10-28-2008, 02:13 PM
I had to use the following command to make it work: (The isolinux.cfg had 'ja' at the language code, not 'jp')

perl -pi -e 's/lang=ja/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
Thanks for the tip. I fixed my post so now it tells users to run both jp and ja commands (it can't hurt.)

ruymbeke
10-31-2008, 09:22 AM
Hello,
It looks like that the Knoppix 5.3.1 /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig cannot find a knoppix.sh
script to run at boot time when using myconf=scan as a kernel cheat code.
Please find below a link of a patch proposal allowing me to merge at boot time
the VmWare 6.5.0 tools with the Knoppix 5.3.1 or Knoppix 5.1.1 iso, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11796

--> http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig.zip <--

Best Regards,
Gilles

johnrw
10-31-2008, 01:25 PM
Having problems to have my sata HDD in a MD8818 seen, I wanted to try the latest 5.3.1 CD to see if support is added now.
All I seem to find as official release is the DVD, which is too huge at this stage.

Through search I found an announcement of a 5.3.1 CD, but it's not clear if it is an official piec of work.
In any case, the link to this release either give time outs or I get always a message that the max allowed users (50) is reached.

Is there another place to download this 5.3.1.CD?

Short answer is no. Klaus has not made the CD version for 5.3.1.

johnrw
10-31-2008, 04:50 PM
Charles,

Thanks for your report of some of the differences... between the 2 versions.
I am writing this from a Knoppix 5.1.1 :)

Making a new custom minirt.gz for 5.1.1 is easy.
I have 20+ failed minirt.gz for 5.3.1, zero working - even just touch a file and it won't load.
(I did a chroot, followed the howto's etc.)

Quoting a copy I found over at kernel.org...
http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/knoppix-dvd/KNOPPIX-CHANGELOG.txt
* V5.3.1-2008-03-26 (see also: Release Notes at http://knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix53-en.html)
- Dist-upgrade to Debian/lenny (testing+unstable)
- Changed initial boot system from initrd to initramfs for easier customization

So, there's your answer... for easier customization... :)
Actually, Gilles had crafted a minirt withing days of the 5.3.1 release... minirt_531.gz of which I am still thankful for.
IIRC, he had some difficulty with leading slashes which forced uncompression to the root of the filesystem... unless the switch is used to explicitly forbid it. He brought it up with Klaus on the mailing list even.
Anyhow... good luck with initramfs.

eindacochea
10-31-2008, 10:12 PM
NB: this Knoppix.DVD.iso at over 4 gig will NOT download to or copy to a FAT32 partition no matter how much free space is available on the partition.

Has anybody tried to remaster a Knoppix.DVD.iso dropping just a few less relevant programs or data files, in order to produce a less than 4 GB version that could be downloaded or copied to a FAT32 partition? I suppose it should be an easy task that would give non NTFS users the opportunity of trying Knoppix DVD.

Perhaps this has already been worked out. I would appreciate any comments or hints about this issue. Thanks in advance.

ruymbeke
11-01-2008, 12:44 AM
NB: this Knoppix.DVD.iso at over 4 gig will NOT download to or copy to a FAT32 partition no matter how much free space is available on the partition.

Has anybody tried to remaster a Knoppix.DVD.iso dropping just a few less relevant programs or data files, in order to produce a less than 4 GB version that could be downloaded or copied to a FAT32 partition? I suppose it should be an easy task that would give non NTFS users the opportunity of trying Knoppix DVD.

Perhaps this has already been worked out. I would appreciate any comments or hints about this issue. Thanks in advance.

Hello,
I solved the 4GB issue by making my 8GB USB dongle bootable with a NTFS partition.
It uses the same trick as for ntfs boot: nt boot loader, boot.ini entry and grldr (grub) boot loader.
cf: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11796
When I have some more time I will describe in more details how I did it...
Gilles

johnrw
11-01-2008, 02:57 AM
eindacochea,

If you follow the remastering howto... just leave out the /KNOPPIX2 branch... which is pretty easy to do, even by mistake. I did when I made a Knoppix 5.1.1 remaster. It contains the kernel headers and some sources used to make Knoppix... so once you you create a permanent $HOME... you could copy some files selectively from that file.

But an easier way... is to use the cheatcode tohd=, which will copy both /KNOPPIX and /KNOPPIX2 to your fat32 drive just fine. Each file is about 2GB... and within the fat32 limit. Then the cheatcode fromhd= is used to make knoppix use those files.

You won't be able to write to the partition that holds those files. The only way to do that, is using Gilles minirts. After 10 or 20 times of rebooting just to make a change to a file on the C: drive... and you'll see why I mention this.

I have tested Knoppix's ntfs writing to my own satisfaction... although I have found linux will create filename long enough to exceed MS's max filename length. MS Explorer couldn't delete them... so I had Knoppix do it. But I digress.

rama
11-07-2008, 01:47 AM
hello people, I was trying ADRIANE in knoppix 5.3.1, I found very interesting. What if you can run ADRIANE from a graphical environment? how?
greetings

eindacochea
11-19-2008, 02:11 AM
eindacochea,

If you follow the remastering howto... just leave out the /KNOPPIX2 branch... which is pretty easy to do, even by mistake. I did when I made a Knoppix 5.1.1 remaster. It contains the kernel headers and some sources used to make Knoppix... so once you you create a permanent $HOME... you could copy some files selectively from that file.

But an easier way... is to use the cheatcode tohd=, which will copy both /KNOPPIX and /KNOPPIX2 to your fat32 drive just fine. Each file is about 2GB... and within the fat32 limit. Then the cheatcode fromhd= is used to make knoppix use those files.

You won't be able to write to the partition that holds those files. The only way to do that, is using Gilles minirts. After 10 or 20 times of rebooting just to make a change to a file on the C: drive... and you'll see why I mention this.

I have tested Knoppix's ntfs writing to my own satisfaction... although I have found linux will create filename long enough to exceed MS's max filename length. MS Explorer couldn't delete them... so I had Knoppix do it. But I digress.

johnrw,

Thanks for your very illuminating comments, however the initial problem of downloading a larger tan 4GB ISO file to a Fat32 HD remains. Perhaps my query was not very clear. I have a Pentium III PC with 2 Fat 32 Hard Disks, running on Windows ME (not allowing NTFS partitions) and I want to run Knoppix 5.3 from a Live DVD (like I do with a 5.1 Live CD version). To burn the Knoppix Live DVD I need to get a Knoppix ISO file downloaded in the first place, but considering that it is larger than 4GB I can´t download it to my Fat32 HD, so I´m stuck. Of course the alternative solution would be to order a pre-burned DVD ready to use as Knoppix 5.3 Live DVD.

In any case, I´m grateful for your concern. I´m also grateful for the suggestions put forward by ruymbeke.

Regards,

rama
11-20-2008, 04:14 PM
johnrw,

Thanks for your very illuminating comments, however the initial problem of downloading a larger tan 4GB ISO file to a Fat32 HD remains. Perhaps my query was not very clear. I have a Pentium III PC with 2 Fat 32 Hard Disks, running on Windows ME (not allowing NTFS partitions) and I want to run Knoppix 5.3 from a Live DVD (like I do with a 5.1 Live CD version). To burn the Knoppix Live DVD I need to get a Knoppix ISO file downloaded in the first place, but considering that it is larger than 4GB I can´t download it to my Fat32 HD, so I´m stuck. Of course the alternative solution would be to order a pre-burned DVD ready to use as Knoppix 5.3 Live DVD.

In any case, I´m grateful for your concern. I´m also grateful for the suggestions put forward by ruymbeke.

Regards,


Hi, I downloaded version 5.1.1 LiveDVD knoppix Lang=es DEFAULT (www.knoppix-es.org) in a partition fat32 with winXP but not LiveDVD 5.3.1 can be downloaded in those partitions.
if you got the live CD 5.1.1 you can:
1 create an extended partition (etc3) from 4.7GB
2 download the ISO using the live CD and store it in the extended partition
3 burn a DVD (it is best to run knoppix 5.1.1 live CD from the ISO)
4 makes a back up of the ISO image
5 remove the extended partition and leave the disc as it was.

I hope it helps you, greetings

johnrw
11-20-2008, 07:28 PM
eindacochea,

Now that Christmas season is upon us... well almost, I'd start looking for 8GB flash drive bargains. If you have a computer that you want to keep the same... but it can boot from usb... then you might be better off booting Knoppix on a flash drive. Fat 32 machines if they have that capability in the bios, may require some special formatting techniques(zip drive emulation etc.)

Now I try never do this, but www.pendrivelinux.com has a lot of info on that approach.

Hopefully, you have USB 2.0 hardware on that machine, and have a boot option for zip drives in the bios... you may be able to run it that way. Gilles is the one that has perfected this down to an exact science... but I might be able to round up some instructions to format an old usb drive to perform a bios usb boot test. Ie... take an old flash drive... format it with the right parameters, and tell the bios to boot from usb-zip. If that boots... then you could feel safe in downloading the files you need, buying a flash drive to do this on etc. If you don't have USB 2 on the machine... you can find add in cards that have usb 2 for just a few dollars.

My they are busy over at www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/17/testing-your-system-for-usb-boot-compatibility/
I have used the guides and howto's at that site... and now I see they do have Knoppix 5.3.1 tutorial on putting Knoppix 5.3.1 on usb as well as many others. www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/06/13/usb-knoppix-531-install-using-windows/
They don't stop there though... they even have a guide to install Knoppix to usb, and then make a bootable cd to boot the usb with! And I thought I was stubborn. :)

Running from USB thumbdrives... well... it a lot quieter.

cvevans
06-11-2009, 05:48 AM
I just had apt fail completely -
apt-get update
you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of
I had to go to debian.com and download
apt (0.7.21)
Source: Debian -- Details of package apt in sid
Address : <http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt>
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.21_i386.deb
and dpkg -i apt_0.7.21_i386.deb
before apt would work.

cvevans
06-12-2009, 08:03 PM
I just had apt fail completely -
...dpkg -i apt_0.7.21_i386.deb
before apt would work.

that fixed apt-get update, BUT now apt-get refuses to work -
it wants to mess everything up and won't do anything:
apt-get install -f
says
195 upgraded, 125 newly installed, 179 to remove and 2525 not upgraded.
looking for a backport...
Please help!

Harry Kuhman
06-12-2009, 08:15 PM
that fixed apt-get update, BUT now apt-get refuses to work -
it wants to mess everything up and won't do anything:
You have been here over 3 years and made over 50 posts. How can this surprise you? It is exactly what I would expect of Knoppix. See Answer #2 (http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/User:Harry_Kuhman) for more info.

cvevans
06-12-2009, 09:36 PM
I just had apt fail completely -
apt-get update
you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of
I had to go to debian.com and download
apt (0.7.21)
Source: Debian -- Details of package apt in sid
Address : <http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt>
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.21_i386.deb
and dpkg -i apt_0.7.21_i386.deb
before apt would work.

temporary workaround:
get apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb from packages.debian.org
edit /etc/apt/sources.list,
# comment out all "deb-src" lines
apt-get update
if you tried apt 0.7.21, now you can downgrade apt:
dpkg -i apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb

Algonq33
07-22-2009, 01:03 AM
8)It's official! Even Dummies now recognizes Knoppix and mentions it in the book "Green I.T. For Dummies" by Carol Baroudi, Jeffrey Hill, Arnold Reinjhold, and Jhana Senxian.

Mentioned in Chapter 19 e-Waste Not, e-Want Not. p 301. Topic of Making Diskless Machines Usable
If the computer has a working optical drive, run a live CD or DVD operating system, such as Knoppix(knoppix.org). These CDs/DVDs come loaded with desktop software such as the free OpenOffice.org program, which performs the most common function of the Microsoft Office suite and can read and write to Office files. Users can keep files they create on USB thumbdrives, or on other machines such as a central server.

And again mentioned in Chapter 22: Ten Creative Computer Recycling TIps pp330-331

Use Knoppix
[size=12]
If corporate security policy wonh't allow even sanitized hard drives to leave the company, surplus disk-less PCs can be made quite usable with a live CD- or DVD-based operating system, such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.org; click the U.S./U.K. flag for the English version of this site.). These Linux distributions (distros) boot directly from the computer's CD or DVD drive and include a Web browser and office applications. Files can be saved on a USB (Universial Serial Bus) thumb drive or by mailing the files as an attachment to an e-mail account at Gmail or Yahoo. (You can open such an account for free at mail.google.com or mail.yahoo.com.)

Capt. Cautious
07-29-2009, 07:05 PM
I'm also one of these people checking back every week or so to see when the CD version shows up. But I'm wondering if there is a way to make the CD version from the DVD version. Obviously there is a way to do anything since it's all FOSS but I mean a fairly simple way that was intentionally put into the DVD version for such a purpose. Earlier in this 5.3 news thread there was something about the size of files being broken down into smaller units. Is it possible that there is a CD version bundled within the DVD version that could be extracted fairly easily?

Or has anybody else remastered a CD version off of the 5.3 DVD? I noticed that Kanotix actually did have a fairly recent upgrade which was interesting because it sounded like there wasn't going to be anything else coming out of that project after one of the devs split a few years ago.

Oh yeah, and since I'm here posting on 5.3, let me pose a question to anybody who has played with it. The question is this: In the move from 5.01 to 5.11 there were bunch of changes in the locations of some important files from /usr/init.d/ to /usr/sbin. Does that remain the case in 5.3? Personally I've found FTPing into a 5.11 matching problematic. It works sometimes but not others and if I boot the same machine with 5.01 or earlier I have no problems so it seems like something is buggy about this relocation. Any input on that?
I can't speak to most of the issues but I can mention something that happened to me. I needed a copy of the 5.3.1 DVD for another techie and I accidentally slipped in a cd instead of dvd in the burn drive. Voila! And Surprise a working CD of the 5.3.1 disk. It had most of the tools we need immediately and not some of the graphics intensive, but it worked.
Capt. V. Cautious