No sound with ASUS W90VP

[SteelAngel]

Please pardon if this has been answered before, I have not found any other relevant information in this forum, so here goes:

I have had knoppix 6.4 (I am unable to provide exact version, I am not yet that familiar with the system) for about a week now, and have been able to install and boot to/from USB, and have pretty much everything working... except sound. I have seen other posts that ask what I see when running "alsamixer" from a terminal window... If it helps, I get a rudimentary graphical display for a mixer. It shows me information such as sound card, chipset, and input/output levels. No matter what adjustments I make to the levels, No sound gets pushed through the speakers. Headphones/headset return no sound either. I do not know what other information I can provide, but given questions, I can answer them.

Thank you for your time.

[utu]

Welcome to the Knoppix forum, SteelAngel.

We will need a few facts to help you.

0. In some way, do you know your sound system isn't broken, and should work ok?
1. Does your sound card work under some other OS, say Windows?
2. On your alsamixer display, does Master or anything else read MM not OO?
....MM on Master means it's muted.
3. Do you have a volume control applet?
4. What sound source are you expecting to produce something?
5. What are the alsamixer settings right now?

[klaus2008]

I think that it would be helpful to know the output of the following commands

cat /proc/asound/cards
sudo hwinfo --sound
sudo lspci
uname -a

[utu]

@SteelAngel

Some additional thoughts for your consideration:

1. Look at Ubuntu experience that Ubuntu 10.10x64 drivers are a problem,
...older Ubuntu 10.04 drivers worked ok. See post #11 at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/688174

2. Knoppix 6.4.4 LiveCD may not have 64-bit support or as much as
...Knoppix 6.4.4 LiveDVD. In case your 6.4 is from a LiveCD,
...you might try the DVD version to see if that helps.

3. Make sure the kernel(32- or 64-bit) matches the driver.

[utu]

Here are some an easy (and fun) tests for sound on Knoppix 6.4.4:
aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/linphone/hello16000.wav
or, more briefly:
aplay -vv /usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/gallery/sounds/ok.wav

Here's some advice from alsa on checking out audio:
http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting

FWIW, my pc is a 64-bit machine, but my Knopppix is a 32-bit install,
made from the 6.4.4 LiveCD. My sound driver is snd_hda_intel. Works fine.
That _may_ be the driver that ASUS W90VP needs as well.

@klaus2008
Your 'hwinfo --sound' sure gives a lot of info.
FWIW, dmesg|grep -i sound on my machine says 'No soundcards found'.
'lsmod|grep -i snd' pulls up several drivers.

[SteelAngel]

@utu:
sound system appears to be OK, as on boot the asus "ding" plays... and the sounds work ok in windows. Alsamixer does not show any MM. All sound sources expected to play sound (video player local and streaming, random games I've tried, music player, etc.) do not. Volume control applet states 100, not muted. Alsamixer settings show all sound sources (Master, PCM, Front, front mi, surround and center) at 100, dB gain 0.0. Also, I checked those links you provided, but am unsure how I would load older drivers, or if the posts are suggesting I revert to an older version of knoppix... Also, The installation was from a liveDVD, so unfortunately that isn't the problem.

@klaus2008:
knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
HDA Intel at 0xfbaf8000 irq 41
1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfbbfc000 irq 43
knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo hwinfo --sound
15: PCI 1b.0: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_3a3e
Unique ID: u1Nb.tIOMdJXBIy3
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:00:1b.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation"
Device: pci 0x3a3e "82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0x1873
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbaf8000-0xfbafbfff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 41 (652 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00003A3Esv00001043sd00001873bc04sc03 i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

29: PCI 100.1: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1002_aa30
Unique ID: NXNs.aHD_HHlfRk3
Parent ID: vSkL.YkFwl8W53w4
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1
SysFS BusID: 0000:01:00.1
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "ATI HD48x0 audio"
Vendor: pci 0x1002 "ATI Technologies Inc"
Device: pci 0xaa30 "HD48x0 audio"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0xaa30
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbbfc000-0xfbbfffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 43 (17 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001002d0000AA30sv00001043sd0000AA30bc04sc03 i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #9 (PCI bridge)
knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo hwinfo --sound
15: PCI 1b.0: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_3a3e
Unique ID: u1Nb.tIOMdJXBIy3
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:00:1b.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation"
Device: pci 0x3a3e "82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0x1873
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbaf8000-0xfbafbfff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 41 (652 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00003A3Esv00001043sd00001873bc04sc03 i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

29: PCI 100.1: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1002_aa30
Unique ID: NXNs.aHD_HHlfRk3
Parent ID: vSkL.YkFwl8W53w4
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1
SysFS BusID: 0000:01:00.1
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "ATI HD48x0 audio"
Vendor: pci 0x1002 "ATI Technologies Inc"
Device: pci 0xaa30 "HD48x0 audio"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0xaa30
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbbfc000-0xfbbfffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 43 (17 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001002d0000AA30sv00001043sd0000AA30bc04sc03 i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #9 (PCI bridge)
knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82X38/X48 Express DRAM Controller (rev 01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82X38/X48 Express Host-Primary PCI Express Bridge (rev 01)
00:06.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82X38/X48 Express Host-Secondary PCI Express Bridge (rev 01)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5
00:1a.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 1
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Port 2
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 5
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 6
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 90)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JIR (ICH10R) LPC Interface Controller
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA AHCI Controller
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SMBus Controller
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M98 XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4870]
01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio
02:00.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc M98 XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4870]
03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB360 AHCI Controller (rev 02)
04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
05:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
09:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05)
09:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22)
09:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12)
09:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 12)
knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ uname -a
Linux Microknoppix 2.6.37 #13 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 23 23:54:32 CET 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

Thank you both for your help, and please pardon if the data provided is in the wrong format.

[utu]

@SteelAngel

We are making some progress I think.

Your computer and mine both require the snd_hda_intel driver.
My sound system works so I can vouch for the driver in Knoppix 6.4.4,
but only for 32-bit kernel.

Your install is probably 64-bit by default if made from the LiveDVD.
It is possible that there is a problem with sound for the 64-bit
Knoppix 6.4.4 install. This is the case for Ubuntu, apparently.

My machine is also 64-bits, but my Knoppix install was made from theLiveCD
which by default uses a 32-bit kernel. I can't use the
LiveDVD because my 2 Gb LiveUSB does not have enough space for it.

One thing you might do is download Knoppix 6.4.4 LiveCD and fire it up
as a LiveCD to see if your sound works that way. You would then be
operating in a similar fashion to my set-up.

Some loose ends:
With your current set-up

In a terminal, enter lsmod|grep -i snd
that should show you three drivers, one of which is snd_hda_intel
what are they?

Also in a terminal, go to /home/knoppix/Desktop/KNOPPIX/boot/syslinux
copy the first line of syslinux.cfg which begins with DEFAULT
what does it say?

Version numbers are important. If you do the LiveCD experiment, make
sure it is version 6.4.4.
It would not surprise me if your sound would work ok in a 32-bit
situation with no tweaks at all.

[klaus2008]

@SteelAngel


knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ uname -a
Linux Microknoppix 2.6.37 #13 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 23 23:54:32 CET 2011 i686 GNU/Linux tells us that you use Knoppix V6.4.4 with 32bit kernel.


knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
HDA Intel at 0xfbaf8000 irq 41
1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfbbfc000 irq 43 There are two sound cards installed in your system. Sound card #0 is
15: PCI 1b.0: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_3a3e
Unique ID: u1Nb.tIOMdJXBIy3
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:00:1b.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation"
Device: pci 0x3a3e "82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0x1873
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbaf8000-0xfbafbfff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 41 (652 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00003A3Esv00001043sd00001873bc04sc0 3i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
and sound card #1 is
29: PCI 100.1: 0403 Audio device
[Created at pci.318]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1002_aa30
Unique ID: NXNs.aHD_HHlfRk3
Parent ID: vSkL.YkFwl8W53w4
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1
SysFS BusID: 0000:01:00.1
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "ATI HD48x0 audio"
Vendor: pci 0x1002 "ATI Technologies Inc"
Device: pci 0xaa30 "HD48x0 audio"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0xaa30
Driver: "HDA Intel"
Driver Modules: "snd_hda_intel"
Memory Range: 0xfbbfc000-0xfbbfffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 43 (17 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001002d0000AA30sv00001043sd0000AA30bc04sc0 3i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #9 (PCI bridge) Both cards use the kernel module snd_hda_intel. The command 'lspci' confirms the presence of two sound cards
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio The second audio device is useful if you connect an external display to your notebook using an HDMI cable.

I think that you should run Windows and examine which audio device is in use when you hear sounds. If you need to use sound card #1 (HDMI) then you have to configure ALSA.

[utu]

Nice deduction, klaus2008.
Makes me wonder if that might answer the Ubuntu 10 bug as well.

It may be possible to make the sound card selection
using the F6 option on the alsamixer gui.
If not, man alsamixer gives some suggestions.

[RoothBawadoTh]

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[utu]

My 32-bit Knoppix 6.4.4 audio uses snd_hda_intel and two other modules.

lsmod|grep -i snd yields:
snd_hda_codec_idt 37256 1
snd_hda_intel 15766 1
snd_hda_codec 44678 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel

The kernel I am using is Linux Microknoppix 2.6.37 #13 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 23\
23:54:32 CET 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

My codec is may be specific to my Dell pc and not applicable to ASUS W90VP.

This arrangement works well for me with no modifications; however, if it
did not I think I might study the following on-line reference, engagingly
written by one of the alsa hd-audio developers, T. Iwai:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/docs/HD-Audio.html

Iwai cites a script that gathers the pertinent info that developers
are interested in, and would probably also facilitate on-line discussions
with local experts. This script collects and allows you to browse a feast
of sound information. It was designed also to allow shipping these data
off to alsa via the internet, but I don't know if the link is necessarily
up-to-date or not. Find this little gem at:

http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh