problem installing knoppix usb

[terapin]

I want to boot knoppix from USB. (not buying a usb stick with it on but making it)

I downloaded an ISO from
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
Knoppix V7.2.0 dated 24/6/2013
it looks like the latest there.

I don't know if this was a bad or silly method, but I went to pendrivelinux.com and ran their universal usb installer and pointed it to the ISO.

It started talking.. like a screen reader talking while stuff came on the screen. Then it wrote near the bottom on the screen
"fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed" It didn't reboot, I shutdown and turned it on again.

it continued or restarted the installation, and it wrote something like that i shouldn't restart or shutdown during the live installation.. I didn't.. and there was nothing talking about a reboot.

It eventually when to a GUI which is just a "knoppix" folder in the top left. I double click it or right click it and it disappears for a moment and reappears. I see nothing resembling a start menu either.

Does anybody know what's happening?

Perhaps there is another way I could try to build it to rule things out?

[Werner P. Schulz]

Why don't you use Flash disk install (http://knoppix.net/wiki/Category:Hard_drive_Installation#Flash_disk_Instal l) from Knoppix itself to prevent problems using pendrivelinux?

Did you download KNOPPIX or ADRIANE_KNOPPIX? The last is a special version for blind people. If you have this version, read more about Micro-Remastering (http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes#Micro-Remastering).

[terapin]

I'll give that a go, i'll go get hold of a DVD to do it (looks like it requires it). As for why I did it the way I did. I googled knoppix usb live A bunch of pendrivelinux links came up. And the other link I tried that came up was http://knoppix.net/get.php which said download cd/dvd buy cd/dvd buy usb. Anyhow, I shall burn a DVD and create the USB.

[terapin]

I just burnt the ISO to a USB it talks as well, it just talks less. I don't think the ISO I burnt is for blind people.

I am pretty sure I downloaded this one
ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix-dvd/KNOPPIX_V7.2.0DVD-2013-06-16-EN.iso

Is there a way I can verify that from within knoppix what version it is?

I can pinpoint when it talks.

When it sits at saying "root@Microknoppix" for a bit, then suddenly it says something about something sequence, and launches the GUI.

Also when I choose reboot, it exits to "root@Microknoppix" then says "initiating shutdown sequence".

By the way, i'd like to be able to exit from the GUI to the shell, but logout just doesn't get out of the GUI.

And i'd like it to just stay in the shell and let me load up the GUI with a command

And i'd like to be able to restart/reboot without it ejecting my cd. Because I may actually want to boot into knoppix again!

And, I know about the 'knoppix nodrm 2' cheatcode, but i'd like that no gui loading automatically effect automated so I don't have to type it each time.

also regarding installing to usb, which is where i'd make the amendments,
I don't see the option "Boot with Knoppix CD/DVD and select 'Knoppix/ Install KNOPPIX to flash disk' "
I don't see any menu at all. I have booted from the DVD


Thanks

[dwstarke]

Enter the cheatcode "2" at the beginning of the boot. You can edit the syslinux.cfg file to make this automatic. Read "micro-remastering Knoppix" available online. or if the GUI boots, open a terminal and enter "init 2".

[terapin]

Enter the cheatcode "2" at the beginning of the boot. You can edit the syslinux.cfg file to make this automatic. Read "micro-remastering Knoppix" available online. or if the GUI boots, open a terminal and enter "init 2".

Problem i'm having is that with a cheatcode of knoppix 2, or of knoppix nodrm 2, then fine it doesn't start the GUI on boot, that's good. But, if I want to start the GUI I can't, I do startx and the GUI doesn't start.

With a cheatcode of knoppix<ENTER> the GUI starts but I don't want it to start automatically, only when I want.

Also, when the GUI starts I don't know how to exit the GUI. When I click the bottom left and "logout" I see "shutdown , reboot, suspend, hibernate, logout, cancel". and when I choose logout, it goes out the GUI then goes back into the GUI.

[Werner P. Schulz]

To start the GUI use "init 5".
To switch to terminal use "Ctrl Alt F2" and revert to GUI with "Ctrl Alt F5".
"Logout" only restarts the graphical session for user knoppix.

[terapin]

ok thanks..

I have a USB with Knoppix 7.0.4 it's fine apart from it being not so up to date.

And I have a DVD downloaded and burnt recently with Knoppix 7.2.0

The DVD talks though. I've narrowed down when and what and I have found some other mentions of those spoken words "intitiating startup sequence" and "initiating shutdown sequence" on the web.

If I do "knoppix 2" as cheatcode, then when I get to the prompt, I type "init 5" it says "Initiating Startup Sequence". And when I choose "shutdown" in the GUI, it says "Initiating shutdown sequence".

If I just go with the default KNOPPIX, so it runs init 5 automatically, then ditto, it says "Initiating Startup Sequence". And ditto on Shutdown.

My DVD ISO is KNOPPIX_V7.2.0DVD-2013-06-16-EN_.iso
ftp://ftp.plusline.de/pub/Knoppix/knoppix-dvd/KNOPPIX_V7.2.0DVD-2013-06-16-EN.iso

I have found some others mentioning it saying these words, they mention it as a surprise they ran into, so doesn't sound like they were running a special blind version of knoppix.

http://linux.activityworkshop.net/hardware/testing.html
The only surprises are a complaint about an unrecognised screen mode (selecting any from the list offered seems to meet with success) and a startup sound-clip ("initiating startup sequence").

And google threw up an O'Reilly book called Knoppix hacks, which mentions the same thing
"Before using any of the multimedia tools, make sure that Knoppix has identified your sound card. The first clue that Knoppix has detected your sound card is the “Initiating startup sequence” sound played by Knoppix as it loads your desktop."

So this is all without loading up the Adriane menu. I do like the Adriane menu though not the screen reader like talking that sometimes occurs with it.

I'd prefer it if it didn't say "Initiating startup sequence" and "Initiating shutdown sequence". I don't think it speaking those particular words has anything to do with Adriane as this is even without starting Adriane and it's not an Adriane version and others who are clearly not blind have written of it. How can I stop it doing that?

[Werner P. Schulz]

You can use the cheatcode "nostartsound". (http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes#More_explanations)

[utu]

I'd prefer it if it didn't say "Initiating startup sequence" and "Initiating shutdown sequence". I don't think it speaking those particular words has anything to do with Adriane as this is even without starting Adriane and it's not an Adriane version and others who are clearly not blind have written of it. How can I stop it doing that?

Greetings, terapin
.
As an alternative to Werner's solution of disabling sound altogether,
you might consider disabling just the particular sounds that trouble you.

I think these might be startup.ogg and shutdown.ogg as played through mplayer.
You can test this by calling up mplayer at MainMenu>Sound&Video>GNOMEMPlayer;
Then, using mplayer go to the location /usr/share/sounds: File>Open>/usr/share/sounds/;
Click on the .ogg choices to verifiy these are the ones in question.

I think it likely if you just change the names of these files that may keep
these files from playing while allowing your use of mplayer for other things,
rather than disabling it altogether.

You might give this a try and let us know if that solves your problem as well.

[utu]

.
There is no cheatcode 'nostartsound' documented in knoppix-cheatcodes.txt
included with Knoppix 7.2. There is a cheatcode 'nosound' which I presume
emulates the non-existence of soundcard detection.

It occurs to me that my 'alternative' to Werner's solution may just be
a description of what may in fact be an implemented, valid but undocumented
'nostartsound' cheatcode. It's certainly possible that Klaus K has already
addressed the problem but merely not gotten around to documenting its included
solution.

The test would be, whether mplayer is still operational with 'nostartsound'
as a recognized cheatcode.

[Werner P. Schulz]

Some times ago "klaus2008" did draw my attention to this undocumented cheatcode and I've inserted it within Wiki-Cheatcodes (http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes) at the end of "More explanations".

You can find how this works within '/etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig' and '/etc/init.d/knoppix-halt'.

[utu]

Some times ago "klaus2008" did draw my attention to this undocumented cheatcode and I've inserted it within Wiki-Cheatcodes (http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes) at the end of "More explanations".

You can find how this works within '/etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig' and '/etc/init.d/knoppix-halt'.
My implementation is simpler, works on the same priinciple,
but only takes one character for start and one for halt.

[terapin]

as somewhat suggested here http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix-flash-en.html"This program [flash-knoppix] installs all needed Knoppix files onto the FAT-formatted flashdisk, and creates a boot record for it."So I checked my flash disk is FAT32 formatted.I booted off my DVD and plugged in my FAT32 formatted USB stick, and ran $flash-knoppix it showed sda as my hdd, sdb as my USB. I selected sdb, my USB, I hit ENTER, and all it did was return to the $ prompt.

[Werner P. Schulz]

Which size has your USB stick? For flash disk install of DVD you need at least 8GB.

[terapin]

My USB stick is advertised as 8GB, Kingston DTSE9 8GBLinux shows it as 7388.49MB

[terapin]

flash-knoppix lists it as 7388.49MB

[Werner P. Schulz]

.. and ran $flash-knoppix it showed sda as my hdd, sdb as my USB. I selected sdb, my USB, I hit ENTER, and all it did was return to the $ prompt.And there have been no other messages or questions? If so, did you test the Knoppix DVD with the cheatcode "knoppix testcd"?

[terapin]

No error or anything just to the $.I haven't tested knoppix testcd yet. I just tried with another usb stick, this one a 16GB.. first flash-knoppix wasn't seeing it when I put it in, took it out, put it in. Then I restarted with it in. And now when I put it in or take it out, flash-knoppix detects when it's in/out, so with it in flash-knoppix listed it and I selected it and pushed ENTER.. And this one gave an error something about getinfo and current directory, but now it's not giving me any error when I try it, and it just returns back to $. So I can't see exactly what that error was. I will do knoppix testcd and i'll jot that error down on paper if I see it again.

[terapin]

I couldn't reproduce the error message, only the returning to the $ which it did. But, I managed to put knoppix on the USB.I found I was getting the problem of it returning to the $, when I ran flash-knoppix from the ctrl-F2 shell. When I ran it from a terminal shell within the gui, then it worked.

[terapin]

I couldn't reproduce the error message, only the returning to the $ which it did. But, I managed to put knoppix on the USB.I found I was getting the problem of it returning to the $, when I ran flash-knoppix from the ctrl-F2 shell. When I ran it from a terminal shell within the gui, then it worked.I should add, I quit the knoppix testcd 'cos there was no progress bar.. and now i got the USB flash made (running flash-knoppix within terminal in the GUI), it worked on both my USB sticks. I stopped the start sound "Initiating startup sequence" and the shutdown sound "Initiating shutdown sequence" with the cheatcode knoppix no startsound which i've added to my /mnt-system/boot/syslinux.cfg file knoppix@Microknoppix:/mnt-system/boot/syslinux$ cat syslinux.cfg | head -n 1DEFAULT knoppix nostartsoundthanks

[Werner P. Schulz]

I should add, I quit the knoppix testcd 'cos there was no progress bar..Be patient and wait! Otherwise you'll never be sure whether your download is integer or not. And therefore also your USB install may be worthless.