KDE UPGRADE AND KEYBOARD SETTING IN CONSOLE

[terminator]

:oops:

Hi.
I'm from italy. I installed Knoppix 3.2 in my hd and, in my opinion it is wonderful but...I have two important questions. I searched on google and in this forum before to write you but I din''t find a solution.

The first question is:

I simply need to upgrade kde 3.1 to kde 3.1.3 but I don't understand the correct procedure.
I read a lot of documentation (apt-howtoo) and kde.org but the result was 5 reinstallation of knoppix.
Can someone provide a step by step guide to upgrade kde? What must I add in source.list? and apt command?
Is incredible but this operation seems to be very hurd.

The second quesiton:

I'm from italy and I need to set my keyboard on console to work properly.
In kde (and kde terminal) it works correctly but, if I open a console session (outside kde) the keyboard setting isnt' correct.
When i run kbdconfig and I set the it-ibm it works correctly but, If I reboot the problem is always present.
What files I need to modify to permanently set the italian keyboard??

I apologize for this long test but...I think that at least the first question could be useful beacuse, I think that is incrediblle that a kde upgrade is so difficult and I think a lot of people could have tha same problem.

thianks :oops:

[fingers99]

I can answer the second part (I use an Italian keyboard, too).

The keyboard is determined by a script.

/etc/init.d/keymap.sh

as root, edit the line:

loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.kmap.gz

to read

loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/it.kmap.gz

and run

/etc/init.d/keymap.sh reload

(If you like, you can then remove the Italian flag from the Kde toolbar).

The first part is harder. I think you need to edit out all references except those to unstable in your sources, run apt-get update, and start from there. Can anyone confirm the wisdom of this?

[aaronforjesus]

I myself just upgraded to KDE 3.1.3 so here is what I did:

1. at the command line as root, type:
$ kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
2. Save a back-up copy, then delete everything in the file. Copy the following line and save:
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main
(note, you might want a closer server than http.us.debian.org.debian, such as
deb ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian unstable main
3. At the command line as root type:
$ apt-get update
4. You can now start the copying process by typing:
$ apt-get install xxxx
where xxxx are the following files:

arts
kde-i18n-it <-- Only if you want Italian modifications to KDE
kdeaddons
kdeadmin
kdeartwork
kdebase
kdebindings
kdeedu
kdegames
kdegraphics
kdelibs
kdemultimedia
kdenetwork
kdepim
kdetoys
kdeutils
quanta

5. Restart your computer and you should be done!

[terminator]

Hi guys

thansk a lot!!!!!!
Now my keyboard work properly and kde upgrade 3.1.3 was installed without any problem.
Now I'm reading to work with knoppix and study seriously debian.

I have only another question:

I read at an internet site that in Suse is possibile to install 2 version of kde with YAST.
Is possibile to do the same with knoppix?
For example, I woul like to have kde 3.1.2 (or kde 3.1.3) for work and kde 3.1.x (next release) to do some tests or, for example, to help kde.org submitting bugs; to sum up I woul like to be a beta-tester. I think it could be useful for the comunity and I woul like to help in translation.

PS X aaronforjesus: my source.list now contains only the entry you suggested me. The old source.list contains a lot of other entries. Can I leave your source.list or must I to merge something???

bye.
Marco from Italy

[baldyeti]

I read at an internet site that in Suse is possibile to install 2 version of kde with YAST.
Is possibile to do the same with knoppix?
For example, I woul like to have kde 3.1.2 (or kde 3.1.3) for work and kde 3.1.x (next release) to do some tests or, for example, to help kde.org submitting bugs; to sum up I woul like to be a beta-tester.
I had such a setup with SuSE 7.1 indeed, where kdm offered both kde2 and
kde3 session (besides your choice of additionally installed wm's). I think it
only works smoothly for two major KDE releases, eg 2.x a 3.x, which under
SuSE live respectively under /opt/kde2 and /opt/kde3.

With binary debian packages, I don't think that's possible. You'd have to
compile from source, specifying your installation target. (eg --prefix
/usr/local/kdebeta). Getting the right set of source tarballs can be tricky,
but then there's a helper script (whose name escapes me, sorry) which will
automate the compilation of the whole bunch for you. This, I read, can
literally take hours... You should probably ask on a KDE list before attempting it.

[Superstoned]

there is an distro, specially aimed at this kinda' things (having several versions of the same prog on your pc). this is done by adopting an m$ dos/winblows like directory structure.
http://www.gobolinux.org/

[terminator]

Hi guys,

I also think it is possible only compilying from source.
Thanks a lot!!!!

bye

[Superstoned]

I myself just upgraded to KDE 3.1.3 so here is what I did:

1. at the command line as root, type:
$ kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
2. Save a back-up copy, then delete everything in the file. Copy the following line and save:
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main
(note, you might want a closer server than http.us.debian.org.debian, such as
deb ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian unstable main
3. At the command line as root type:
$ apt-get update
4. You can now start the copying process by typing:
$ apt-get install xxxx
where xxxx are the following files:

arts
kde-i18n-it <-- Only if you want Italian modifications to KDE
kdeaddons
kdeadmin
kdeartwork
kdebase
kdebindings
kdeedu
kdegames
kdegraphics
kdelibs
kdemultimedia
kdenetwork
kdepim
kdetoys
kdeutils
quanta

5. Restart your computer and you should be done!

ths doesnt work, I did exactly as you wrote, and I was told by apt-get:
Sorry, arts is already the newest version.
E: Couldn't find package kdebindings

could you help me update kde?

[terminator]

Hi Superstoned,

I had the same problem adding ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian. I don't know why but, I solved this problem just using the first mirror suggested by mitic aaronforjesus ( thanks a lot aaronforjesus!!!!!).
Thus, edit your sources.list, delete all and add only the following entry:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main
I'm sure it will work correctly.


bye

TO HELP ITALIAN PEOPLE I ADD TRANSLATION:
Questo problema si verifica con il secondo mirror suggerito da aaronforjesus.
Usate il primo mirror.
Come spiegato, editare il sources.list, cancellare tutto e lasciare solo:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main.
Questo risolverà il problema anche se non conosco il motivo x cui il secondo non funziona; forse il mirror è bacato.

ciao

KNOPPIX IS WONDERFUL AS THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Superstoned]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

I just screwed up KDE...

I used apt-get to install kde. apt-get told me that he was able to install 3.1.3, but had to remove alot progs, like Koffice. I didnt want that, but - hey, i could install them later. so I chose yes. everything worked fine, until I rebooted.

when starting kde, after I log in, everything seems to be messed up... looks like the fonts are at a widh of some 2 miles :? all windows are waaaay to wide to fit on the screen, even the kde menu is too wide. and I cant read anything, the fonts just seem to be gone, although they take the space of a spaceship ;)

anybody seen this before, and knows how to fix it?

[Superstoned]

(I did this with the kde.download.org debian 3.1.3 packages, not with the us one. gonna try that one now... - again a reinstall from scratch, then kde etc etc aaaargh)

[Superstoned]

YESSS!!! the us version solved all my problems! its now working, I have a fully working KDE 3.1.3 install, with all software up-to-date ;-)

I love unstable ;-)

tnx for all the help!

[eaman]

Hi guys
I read at an internet site that in Suse is possibile to install 2 version of kde with YAST.
Is possibile to do the same with knoppix?
For example, I woul like to have kde 3.1.2 (or kde 3.1.3) for work and kde 3.1.x (next release) to do some tests or, for example, to help kde.org submitting bugs; to sum up I woul like to be a beta-tester. I think it could be useful for the comunity and I woul like to help in translation.

bye.
Marco from Italy
Hi Marco,
maybe you can give a look to http://www.it.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
or if you prefer in italian http://www.it.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.it.html#s8.6.33
if you are going to deal with differnt flavours of *.deb .

Have Fun!
eaman, italy too