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NetKatz
03-11-2004, 01:28 PM
i looked through http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4174 and i dont have a floppy, its busted...

i have 3 HDs, 1 has Xp 1 has WinME, and the 3rd 3gb hd has nothing on it, can any1 tell me a good way to install Knoppix on the 3rd HD? without a floppy? and still keep my XP and ME?

im new to Knoppix...

thx

spiff1281
03-11-2004, 02:25 PM
can any1 tell me a good way to install Knoppix on the 3rd HD?


shell as a root: knx-hdinstall
then choose the right hd, the 3Gb one.
(I hope you have 3 hd and not 3 partition...but it doesn't matter)



without a floppy?


sure, all you need is you powerfull cd-rom ^_^




and still keep my XP and ME?


yeap! knoppix installation will provide to write only in the hdd you choose. lilo will make the rest... 8-)

stay cool!

NetKatz
03-12-2004, 02:08 AM
how do i do it without a floppy?

windos_no_thanks
03-12-2004, 09:46 AM
how do i do it without a floppy?
Set the BIOS to boot from CD (will only work if your BIOS is understands how to do that of course but virtually all of them sold in the last 5 years or so should be able to do it)

NetKatz
03-12-2004, 11:39 AM
it says to make a boot floppy, but i dont have a floppy dive, how can i make a boot floppy is i dont have 1?

spiff1281
03-12-2004, 12:42 PM
forget what it said...boot your Knoppix Live cd throught your cdrom.

to do this you need to set your bios on cdrom booting. once you booted knoppix, open a shell as a root and run the command "knx-hdinstall". a GUI will help you to install your cool knoppix in your cool hd...

okey-doki? ^_^

NetKatz
03-12-2004, 01:37 PM
its installed im on XP changeing the boot.ini lol ill see if it works i guess

NetKatz
03-12-2004, 02:19 PM
umm it keeps saying hdd1 has errors and stuff, when i run fsck it dont fix it, still says it, do i have to format the drive and reinstall knoppix?

i think i have a bad HD...its like 5 years old and i kinda ben bad to it, IE: trowing it in a desk and stuff...and its just been sittin around for a year doin nothing

spiff1281
03-12-2004, 04:50 PM
windows trouble...

NetKatz
04-30-2004, 07:00 AM
what do u mean? windows trouble?

NetKatz
04-30-2004, 08:28 AM
ok so after a while i wanted to mess with it again, so i used PM 8.0 to make my 3gb hd to a linux ext3 and a swap, so it installed ok i think right now im gona type some stuff thats gona take me a min...



Hit return to exit.
cp: cannot stat `/mnt/target/usr/share/gnome/apps/Knoppix/*': no such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `/ext/alternatives/soffice.*': no such file or directory
2500+0 records in
2500+0 records out
256000 bytes transferred in 0.051482 seconds (4926089 bytes/sec)
/usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall: line 1620: 2171 segmentation fault /usr/sbin/genliloconf "$LBOOT" "$FSCHOICE" "hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi apm=power-off nomce" "$BKERNEL" $INITRD
setting up boot loader (lilo)....
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent irectories: no such file or directory
warning: partition 1 on /dev/hhd is not marked active
added knoppix *
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes transferred in 0.043340 seconds (11814 bytes/sec)




thats all of the root after it installed

is all the right? or did it install worng?

NetKatz
04-30-2004, 08:52 AM
ok i restarted loaded it from HD and it did this all over my screen



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u get the point lol any idea wut happend?

Durand Hicks
04-30-2004, 08:38 PM
Yeah, we know what happened.
1) The hdd is too small, you need 3.5 GB for better hd for you install.
2) LILO is having problems finding the boot sector in your root partition. To fix this, do the following:
a) Boot cd into Knoppix
b) Open console in knoppix and type the following:
b1) sudo su
b2) mount /dev/hdd /mnt/hdd -o rw
b3) chroot /mnt/hdd
b4) mcedit /etc/lilo.conf -----> make sure root=/dev/hdd1 and boot=/dev/hdd1 are in there.
b5) lilo
b6) Note: this assumes your bootloader is on an FAT/FAT32 partition only. Won't work on NTFS without a floppy or fat/fat32 partition to transfer to/from.
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 -o rw
dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/mnt/hda1/bootsect.lin count=1 bs=512
b7) umount /mnt/hda1
b8) exit <------- to exit from chrooted environment
b9) exit <------- to exit console
c) Reboot if no errors show up in the console when you created a new bootsect.lin file on your boot partition on /mnt/hda1.

If /hda1 is not FAT/FAT32, then change to /hdb1 if that is where winME is located. When you reboot, boot to windows xp and copy the bootsect.lin file to the c:\ drive and edit boot.ini to read:
c:\bootsect.lin="Linux" at the end of the file.

Reboot again and XP's bootloader will give you choices to boot xp, me, and linux.

Good luck,

Durand

NetKatz
04-30-2004, 11:34 PM
is a 40gb hd over kill for linux? lol cuz im gona get a new 1

but....last time i installed it booted and everything but it had errors in the disk, like it never did the 99 99 99 thing it loaded all the drivers and stuf up to my internet card then said the drive had errors lol...o well

OErjan
05-01-2004, 10:27 AM
hmm, 40Gb is MUCH more than needed. itshould work great. hmmm, i bought a (new) 40Gb hdd with only 3.1Gb readable last week. returned it and got a new, same error. next time i got a Segate (got some back). that worked, turned out the shipment to store had been handled roughly, so disks where damaged, he had to replace all the disks (no happy storeowner, believe me).
could that be it?

ziggy
05-01-2004, 06:13 PM
Hi folks,

have read around here a few hours now, also been to other linux sites, as well as colinux - no need for a rapid reply to this question, am in no hurry, and may find the answer as I keep reading. But maybe others have similar concerns.

Have been wanting to try linux for a long time (almost 20 years (know many "respectable" people swearing by it!)) , and a while ago finally downloaded Knoppix 3.3 (2-9-04) - have been running it from the CD, and it rocks!! Can see myself switching to using this for at least 75% of the time, but still need windoze for other times, since well you know......

Have a 2-year old machine with WinXP-pro (2001-SP1), 256RAM, a single hdd with two partitions, no programming skills, and would like to install Knoppix on the second (15 gigs) (empty now) one.

Is there a simple, straightforward way to do this, so that I get f.inst a choice when booting up, to run either WinXP or Knoppix? Or would you suggest I start out by purchasing something like Lindows?

Thanks for any reply, and I really enjoy reading the Spirit of this forum.
:)
Ziggy

OErjan
05-01-2004, 09:43 PM
actuallt there are ways to install knoppix. they are not ideal (knoppix was not intended to be installed) but work ok.
ther are atleast 3 different ways to get knoppix to install to hdd, knoppix-hddinstall, knoppixinstaller and poormans install. not mentioning runing the iso from hdd.

begin with these links, read them and ask again.
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/FaqInstall
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/HdBasedHowTo
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/HdInstallHowTo

as fo choosing what to run, yes it is the deafult, there are lilo and Grub (there are others, loadlin is one for DOS)
EDIT in this topic i discuss allowing XP's bootloader to start linux (or rather starting lilo that in its turn start linux, not as slow/complicates as it sounds).
/EDIT

NetKatz
05-02-2004, 10:31 AM
ok i got it installed, thx every1 that replyed to my post.


it was the hd, it was full of errors and was way to small, i just made a 5gb spot in my 20gb hd

and i used knoppix-installer way better than the sudo knx-hdinstall well for me anyway

OErjan
05-02-2004, 12:04 PM
wanting to try linux for 20 years?? but Linux has only been around for 12+ years.
linux was "born" August 1 1991.
UNIX on the other hand, of which linux is derived, was born in 1969 so...

ziggy
05-05-2004, 03:48 PM
wanting to try linux for 20 years?? but Linux has only been around for 12+ years. linux was "born" August 1 1991.

I stand corrected. Worked with this young programmer once, back in '86, who at age 18 ran the internet section of his college, a small one in upstate NY, Clarke i think it was, - who swore by Unix, then Linux, guess it must have been in 91 or so I saw him again, at his home, and how he used Linux far more efficiently and effectively than I ever used windows.

Thanks OErjan for those links, read and re-read and saved. for future reference.

"The Geek Inside" me is determined to explore this, get it going, even if it takes a few months. When lotto hits (or before), will get a new PC and dedicate it as a Linux machine.

From all i've read so far, though, it strikes me that much of this information is geared towards programmers and Unix users etc., towards (them) using a Window environment. What may be lacking, imo, is a more persuasive argument to MS Windows users to switch, and also some more basic instructions. For instance, the Knoppix help states that one can use Knoppix productively from the CD. huh? It took me hours, after reading the help and the FAQ (no help there I found) - to figure out how to save bookmarks, and files, on the HD.

Then again, it's free, so my expectations are......not :-)

It still rocks!!

OErjan
05-05-2004, 07:44 PM
there is LOTS of other info out there.
http://www.linux.org/docs/index.html
http://www.tldp.org/

there are loads more.
linux from scratch is a ral DEEEP dive into linux and how things work, so is build your own linux ...

lots of info, more trouble narowing the search than getting info.

btw floppix.com have a fairly complete crash course in console linux (and a fun little linux dist aswell).
http://floppix.com/labs.html