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ok, here i am... listening to me brother complain that i havent loaded flash, so he cant play his game... I BLAME THAT F***ING CRAZY FROG!!! anyway... i told him to press CTR and ALT... hehe, and he did it...
have anyone of you gave someone some false information, just for the sake of it... tell your stories.... :D:D
Sister (over internet, me at work, she at home on ArchLinux): So what do I have to do to connect to the internet later?
Me: type sudo init 0 and enter the password.
Sister: sudo init 0?
Me: Yep. To make sure you can connect later, like if you log off.
Sister: Ok, here goes.
Sister signed off at 16:35:42
then she called me and said "Hey! That was mean!!" and I said "Haha! n00b! j00 ju57 g07 0wn3d!!" (pwned is for fat geeks...unless it's pronounced "pawned". "powned" sounds dumb.)
lol... isnt it fun... using your knowleadge against those in your family...
First of all... Kowood... that was mean...
Now, on to my stories...
Being on the "roll-out", of Windows 95 - and a party to the "Microsoft Phone Support Representatives" privy of knowledge, and boo-boo's - most of these were done NOT by MS Reps, but, rather by there "outsourced" technicians that were employed by that company... Here goes:
* Printer Driver problem - resolved by telling Customer to reformat there hard drive. i.e. type format c: /s - and respond with 'y'
* MSN > Icon Activation problem - resolved by telling Customer to completly uninstall MSN, and re-install from scratch.
* TXT File Corruption problem - resolved by telling Customer to completly delete the "My Documents" folder, and restore, from a non-existant backup, they never made.
* DLL error message problem - resolved by "showing" the Customer the DREADED program regedit, and telling them to start "hacking" there non-backed-up registry, by randomly "picking" something, and deleting it.
* Standard Outsource issue, on any given problem - resolved by having Customer continually reboot there computer, in the "attempt" that it would resolve itself, by just doing this act.
* Addendum to above, in case the Customer calls back, and has been doing the above, and will no longer agree this will resolve the "issue" - resolved by having Customer go into some "configuration" change program, make some non-sense change, that, wouldnt resolve anything, and then go back to the "reboot system continually" as mentioned above.
And, this one, unfortunately, I did, but, didnt realize my boo-boo, until the end...
* MSN > Connection error > Cant connect - resolved by having Customer go into "modem settings", made a "good guess" change at the resolution of the problem, and then have them test it. ( not really a bad thing, but, problem was, they only had one phone line ( the one they were talking to me on ), and they used dial-up ) -=- Last thing I remember was: Ok... I'm clicking on the "Connect" button... and then, the modem introducting itself on our phone line.... and then - dial-tone... I was so bummed out I did it to them, I kept hoping they would call back, and that I could explain my mistake... Granted, it might have worked, and from that point on... I always said WAIT! DONT CLICK ON THE CONNECT right now! And, tried to cover every base before we disconnected our phone conversation, so they could test it out... ( or, checked to be sure we werent on the modems phone line )
And, to think, with that one boo-boo, I was one of MS's top Tech Reps...
Ms. Cuddles
ok,once again pulled the cord out of the main computer... me sister asked me to fix the net... i told her to mount the eth0 card... 10 minutes later, she came back and asked me to fix it... i was half suprised she actually typed mount ethernet, mount eth0, ifdown -a etc... she had been watching me type some commands in on me laptop...
i then told her to plug it in...
somehow me face now hurts
Hardly a day goes by with out seeing things like this posted in a IT section of the paper. Someone has a problem ... the tech tries to palm them off.... it is not funny !
To day there was an article about this bloke who purchaded a dvd recorder from Foxtell (Ruberts gang), it would record foxtell broadcasts ok, but would bail out on free-to-air broadcasts. Seems to Foxtell techs are trying to tell him that the problem is at his end ... no surprise there.
Obviously the product is smirfed to favour Foxtell braodcasts. Or some encoding used by the free-to-air channels is causing the problem. I think the later may be the actual case. But still ... treat the customer like a mushroom and feed them approprietly.
I can remember when i worked for Telecom, now Telstra .au ... we were explicitly told to tell the subscriber as little as possible ! ha.
I can remember nearly waking this tech at a shop in town when my new drive (a Quantum ata66 8Gb) wouldn't work on my ata33 board :) ... took ages untill i got onto a Quantum tech and was informed that a flash utility was freely available to flash the drive down to ata33 if i couldn' afford to upgrade ... I don't think i've ever been so mad :).
It's gotta stop ... the general populations held esteem of IT and those involved isn't actually all that good, in case you have ever wondered (grin)
jm
>>I can remember when i worked for Telecom, now Telstra .au ... we were explicitly told to tell the subscriber as little as possible ! ha. << hahaha... I KNEW IT!!! were you also told to keep the customers on for over 45 minutes??? no joke... thats how long i was kept on...
BYW - I found this out, when I was doing Phone Support for MSN Online service, and many of our "techs" had come over from AOL... ( Not sure if this has changed, but, I dont think so... I've never worked for, nor used, there service, correct me if I am wrong )
AOL techs were told that ALL phone support calls were to be UNDER 2 minutes ( max ) -=- or they would get wrote up... As a call progressed to this 2 minute mark, the techs were "forced", by AOL, to ditch the customer....
Now, THATS customer service... If you cant fix it in two minutes, ditch'em ( nice, very nice )
I have seen other ways that techs demean the customer... Being a female, I get tons of it, when I take my car in for service... "Gee, Ma'am, it appears your thing-a-ma-gig is defective. We need to replace it." - Me to them, what the heck does my brake line have anything to do with how the engine is running? "Well, Ma'am, your master cylnder connects here to your engine, and its not connected properly."
Me to them, again, why does this have anything to do with a tune-up? Is it my spark plugs? Is it a "tweak" of the fuel to air mixture in the carburator? It appears I do need more brake fluid, but, that has nothing to do with a tune-up, so, maybe, you need to "concentrate" more on the engine area, and not the brakes, ok?
This same story goes for when I buy tires... Ma'am, these are pretty tires, they have nice white rings on them, and the lettering looks to "beautiful" - me to them... excuss me, but, how is the ride? Are they rated for the weight and size of my vehicle? Are the tires the same diameter as the original equipment, smaller, larger, or the same? Whats the warrentee, in miles and years? Any road hazard protection? Is the manufacturer respectable, Dunlop, Bridgestone, Good Year, etc...
Some "techs" assume that "everyone" is below them, and cant "think" that someone else can relate, at least, at the same level...
Some "guru's" are like this, untouchable, or so they think... This is another reason why I "migrated" to Linux, esp Knoppix and Kanotix, you are treated with a little respect, that you DO have a brain, and that you can think past a elementary school age child...
Oh well,
Ms. Cuddles
OK, you are wrong. It should be "I've never worked for, nor used, their service".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuddles
The grammer police have been alerted.
hmm, i have only done something like that once, i did to a friend (yes we are still friends)
we did some backup over network (using knoppix CD on his) to my "server", that is my 350Mhz laptop with a external 200G USB hdd.
I started ssh on his computer. then i started the sftp session from nine. after a while i got bored and i ssh'd into his computer and did cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp.
WOW he jumped from his chair and started screaming that i had made him use linux and that Linux had broken his computer... then he saw me Smiling and trying not to laugh, something must have become obvious as he started calling me all sort of names :D
OOPS!
I always get those mixed up... there, their, and they're... What can I say, maybe I shouldn't learn another language, I'd just mess that one up too... Bummer... I so wanted to learn German...
( BTW - did I even mention that a pretty much "sqeeked" by in formal education, especially in English ? )
chris-harry wrote:
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>>>>I can remember when i worked for Telecom, now Telstra .au ... we were explicitly told to tell the subscriber as little as possible ! ha. <<<< hahaha... I KNEW IT!!! were you also told to keep the customers on for over 45 minutes??? no joke... thats how long i was kept on...
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I used to be involved in subscriber maintenance. As the subscriber is only "renting" the phone ... they have certain rights that a person who owns the phone dosen't.
# You may have a different colour if you wish ... choice of grey, black,red,green
# You can have a long cord.
# You can have a wall phone.
# You may have the unit replaced if it hasn't been working properly.
We were told not to tell the customer this, and, in fact, to try and distract the customer waay from the question. If it looked like they were curious.
I spent most of the time there playing silly-buggers and sitting in one or the other of numerous pubs/clubs and other hide-out. I kinda miss it all really. One could by-pass all that and actually do things if a person really wanted to. But it would mean having to go it alone, so to speak. Which can be hard...
Not to mention the most amazing and ellaborate over-time scams they had.
A creative bunch to be sure :) ....
Cuddles (grin)
Looks like the grammer-tech guy didn't try to smirf you ... at least :D
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( BTW - did I even mention that a pretty much "sqeeked" by in formal education, especially in English ? )
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Ummm, you mean "that i pretty much" no ?
(ROTFL) (grin)
jm
jjmac, now THAT was a typo, not a grammatical error :D
"Renting" the phone? Renting the phone?!! :cry: I've read stories about how AT&T (which used to be the monopoly telephone company in the US until it got broken up around 1984) leased phones to people, and month after month, there'd be this charge on their bill...what a scam.
Anyway, unfortunately I've never given anyone bad computer advice in order to screw with them. This thread is inspiring.
well.. the one reason i went to linux, was the respect everyone gave you... and its like a community... you come here with a problem, and bam... everyone helps to solve it (in most cases, it doesnt help if your been drinking... and your typing is all over the place)... :DQuote:
Some "guru's" are like this, untouchable, or so they think... This is another reason why I "migrated" to Linux, esp Knoppix and Kanotix, you are treated with a little respect, that you DO have a brain, and that you can think past a elementary school age child...
its more then espiring... i can learn some pranking tips here... hahaha... hehehe...Quote:
Anyway, unfortunately I've never given anyone bad computer advice in order to screw with them. This thread is inspiring.
Eco2Geek
AT&T did all of that, because, one, not to many places existed that sold phones, and, two, what would be more reliable than a phone from the place that you had the service with - not to mention, if it broke, they'd replace it... Mostly only having the "standard" phone, in a dull tan, they soon, began to sell the "princess" phones, the "old time" phones, "big button" phones, etc... It was, in a small way, a rachet, but, at the time, not many sold the phones, other than Bell, and when people didnt have phone service, they "usually" didnt need a phone laying around. As more businesses started selling phones, it did seem kind of stupid, but AT&T still had the phones, and at there Phone Marts, you could "buy" them...
OErjan
Cute trick... Got to remember that one... One of the neat tricks, as I was moving up the "evolutionary" corporate ladder, was a variation of what you said... remote login to a SUN UNIX system, and start "roaches" without the users knowledge... It was a fun gag. The user, the first time they closed or icon'ed a window, was a hoot.
Ms. Cuddles
>>OErjan
Cute trick... Got to remember that one... One of the neat tricks, as I was moving up the "evolutionary" corporate ladder, was a variation of what you said... remote login to a SUN UNIX system, and start "roaches" without the users knowledge... It was a fun gag. The user, the first time they closed or icon'ed a window, was a hoot. <<
um... what happens... i am so confused... is it something i should do :D:D
chris-harry,
"roaches" is, just a simple program, mostly, a miss-use of resources, on a computer system... small roaches hide behind your open "windows", when you close the window, or move it, they all become visible, and scurry about to find another place to hide... I think a X or GPL / GNU version exists, if you want to have some fun, and you are on a network. A variation of this kind of program, is the "AMOR" package.
Amazing Missuse Of Resources - but, this package just pops up something on the TOP of the active window, and doesnt run "behind" those windows, like "roaches" does...
FYI only,
Ms. Cuddles
Iv'e seen something similar to that with bundles with Gnome ... located in the 'games' menu. Can't think of its' name. It's just a single smiley type thing that scurries about and hides places (grin)
jm
hehe *evil laugh*...
so... i better get meself a network... hahaha
chris-harry,Quote:
Originally Posted by chris-harry
Actually, having a network, and the ability to "remotely login" to it, has unlimited possibilities of fun... From the simple, playing network games, to the prankster, being able to fire off stuff that the user of that system is not aware of or starts. ( of course, you can do extreme good with this ability, like, blow away runaway processes that the user cant get to, or to regain display, tinker with startups without the user "looming over your shoulder", and the like.
Ms. Cuddles
doing good??? confusing... (joke joke)...
i must learn all these things
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i must learn all these things
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oh dear eek
oh dear eeeeek
dont you mean
"AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIFES!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!!!!"
remotely login, something like:
ssh username@ip.nu.mb.er
or
ssh username@whateveryouhaveforhost
should work, provifing you have sshd running on the remote system AND a valid account there.
for more
search this forum. here is a sample of what i found
ttp://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8740&highlight=ssh
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...&highlight=ssh
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...&highlight=ssh
EDIT there are ways of getting access to some computers without an acount. just so you know, security is important, and neglect is asking for trouble./EDIT
OErjan,
I used the man pages for ssh, and though this is more complex, in some ways, it can only be done, if both systems ( the "client" and "server" ) have the "key"...
ssh [ip address]
The man pages show you have to generate the correct "keys", where, and what, they are placed, and even how, to generate these keys. But, what it all comes down to is... You can gain access, either by user, or root, to another system, but, you still have to be able to get to that system in the first place, even to set all of this up.
Fyi,
Ms. Cuddles
I was talking about that there are vulnerabilities in a few older versions (perhaps if we are unlucky current aswell) that can give acess to a system without an account by sending certain strings to the ipnumber on port22, just so you know.
chris-harry wrote:
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dont you mean
"AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIFES!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!!!!"
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hehehe .. yes, ... kinda (grin)
Just on the ssh access mentioned ...
I recently installed sarge, and am now running that. It appeares though that a sshd starts up auto at boot. Which didn't happen in woody (modified heaps). as it appears to be listening on port 22, i have noticed the occasional packet coming in on that port.
port 23 (telnet) gets the occasional touch as well.
I only know this thanks to the "logwatch" dpkg that i installed. I have a faily good iptables firewall setup which drops anything unestablished or unsyn, and then logs to syslog/kern.log.
So ... the logwatch facility has been extracting that info and presenting it via the local mail facility.
As you can see i label my DROP target as "FW_LASTDROP".Code:
logwatch extract ...
Dropped 72 packets on interface ppp0
From 24.207.157.140 - 2 packets
To 203.58.186.120 - 2 packets
Service: 15118 (tcp/15118) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 2 packets
From 61.155.9.171 - 1 packet
To 203.58.186.120 - 1 packet
Service: ssh (tcp/22) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 1 packet
From 64.62.190.36 - 36 packets
To 203.58.186.120 - 36 packets
Service: telnet (tcp/23) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 8 packets
Service: www (tcp/80) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 8 packets
Service: socks (tcp/1080) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 8 packets
Service: 3128 (tcp/3128) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 4 packets
Service: 6588 (tcp/6588) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 4 packets
Service: webcache (tcp/8080) (FW_LASTDROP:,ppp0,none) - 4 packets
From 83.245.15.238 - 3 packets
etc
I'll have to look into my "snort" setup and possible configure some alet for those.
Point i'm trying to make though is, that even though they are being logged and dropped ... i havn/t noticed because i haven't had time to trawl through my syslog/kern.log files. Or run an extraction program iv'e got for those (manual run).
I don't need any external ssh listening so i'll have to turn it off, and get rid of my telnet program as well.
But if it wasn't installing "logwatch", albeit accidently :), i wouldn't have known !.
It does pay to be diligent i think, hmmmmmmmm.
The only other stuff i get is the usuall net-bios ping rubbish from my local IP, the somewhat irritating "ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" pings, the occasional MS-SQL Worml probe ... always from the same general loci "chinas telecom" (grin), hmmmm
Last year was mayhem though. Total ping wars everywhere.
jm
until me main computer gets fixed... i wont be able to play with me kernal or iptables or anything... so... i have time to read up on all this... any good info anywhere???
I have snort installed, and it sends output to mail, not very interesting output though...Quote:
Originally Posted by jjmac
Upon seeing your output for logwatch, I installed it, but, I dont get output mailed on the ppp0, or even eth0 stuff - how did you get logwatch to get you the output above ?
I'd like to have a monitoring program working, like what your output shows above, but, I guess I need to create the filters / services code to get what you are getting ( I guess ) ?
Ms. Cuddles
right now, firestarter isnt wanting to work for me...