ISO boot from FAT/NTFS/USB (GRUB.exe, grldr from boot.ini)

[shrek99]

Try changing the hda1 to hda2, worked for me and I was getting the exact same error that you are getting

I am not sure who you are relpying to.

hda2 would only work on a partioned hard drive.

[Stefan61]

Hello
I simply like to say thank you for the new grub.
Booting 3.81 ISO form NTFS without problem.

Just as remark for other users ..


#----------------------------------------boot old 3.7 t ----------------------------------------------------

title Knoppix 3.7 kernel 2.6 from NTFS hda1 ISO scan ramdisk=32MB
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/linux26 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=ge apm=power-off vga=791 nomce quiet bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.37/knoppix.iso config=scan home=scan ramdisk=32768 noprompt acpi=off nodma lang=de
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/minirt26_ntfs.gz
boot

#----------------------------------------can’t boot ----------------------------------------------------
title Knoppix 3.8.1 from NTFS hda1 ISO scan ramdisk=32MB
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.381/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=ge apm=power-off vga=791 nomce quiet bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.381/*.iso config=scan home=scan ramdisk=32768 noprompt
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.381/minirt_ntfs.gz
boot

#------------------------------------boot’s perfect -------------------------------------------------------

title Knoppix 3.81 test kernel 2.6 from NTFS hda1 ISO scan ramdisk=32MB
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=ge apm=power-off vga=791 nomce quiet bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.381/*.iso config=scan home=scan ramdisk=32768 noprompt acpi=off nodma lang=de
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/minirt_ntfs.gz
boot


It’s maybe only o problem from my XP that

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.381/linux don’t find the file “linux” even when I use the command line grub for editing and use the Tab for listing

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/linux
Using the command line and TAB shows all files in c:\boot\knoppix3.7

Bye
Stefan

[shrek99]

#------------------------------------boot’s perfect -------------------------------------------------------

title Knoppix 3.81 test kernel 2.6 from NTFS hda1 ISO scan ramdisk=32MB
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=ge apm=power-off vga=791 nomce quiet bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.381/*.iso config=scan home=scan ramdisk=32768 noprompt acpi=off nodma lang=de
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/minirt_ntfs.gz
boot

Well, this can only work if you have put the knoppix 3.7 into the boot file on the hard drive first.

First time I tried this I got "Eror 16: file not found". Since I happened to have an ISO of 3.7 I copied that over to boot/knoppix.37

Still cannot get 3.8.1 to boot. Or 3.7 with kernel 2.6 - same error each time - which is much earler in the boot process than with the original menu.lst in grub

But 3.7 with kernel 2.4 works like a charm - except I had to tell it I had a wheelmouse (which I have not needed to do when booting of the CD)
I am actually posting from the machine in question now

So my question is - is this a problem with 3.8.1, kernel 2.6 or grub? (Plus do not forget that I can run 3.8.1 on another machine that happens to have a partioned hard drive with C formatted to FAT32)

[Stefan61]

[quote="shrek99"]

I’m not quite sure I guess it’s a grub problem
Boot grub ; edit the Boot line down to “kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.37/” and press tab
grub will show me al possible Files and Folders
When I do the same with
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.381/
I can’t see the files .folders maybe just a NTFS / GRUB problem
BTW:
With the little work around store the files linux and minirt_ntfs.gz
in the Folder c: /boot/knoppix.37 and the knoppix381.iso in the folder
/boot/knoppix.381/ everything works perfect

bye
Stefan

[che_fox]

Hi all,

Thanks so much to you all for your hard work in getting GRUB to boot off an NTFS partition! It works like a charm for me (as long as I keep Linux mounting my NTFS filesystem in read-only mode; the NTFS read/write support in the 2.6 kernel that comes with Knoppix 3.8.1 is still very unstable, and corrupts my NT boot record).

I'm curious; where is the source code available for GRLDR, so I can rebuild it myself? I've found Ryumbeke's excellent GRUBE.ZIP, which has all the binaries, but I'd really like the diff against grub 0.95's source code if possible.

I found that the original home page of GRUB for DOS (and NT) is no longer available, although there is a Google cache available. However, the source code mentioned on that page is nowhere to be found.

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the original grub020.zip off that page? I assume that has the patch in it.

Thanks all!

[ruymbeke]

Hi all, I'm curious; where is the source code available for GRLDR, so I can rebuild it myself? I've found Ryumbeke's excellent GRUBE.ZIP, which has all the binaries, but I'd really like the diff against grub 0.95's source code if possible ... Does anyone happen to have a copy of the original grub020.zip off that page? I assume that has the patch in it. Thanks all!

Well, the binaries included in the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip are the result of an october 2004 cvs 0.95 snapshoot patched with the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grub020.zip (for ntfs and grldr support by Tinybit and Gandalf) and the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grub...ss-patch-1.zip (for the network support by Fengshuo).
I am working on new binaries based on the new grub 0.96 and the latest patches. I know that the ntfs module (fsys_ntfs.c ) is kind of "buggy" since it cannot always find the files/directories where the kernel amd initrd are located. As a short term work around I suggest to create a new directory (that grub will find) to store the boot files (kernel and initrd) and accordingly update the menu.lst until the ntfs module will be fixed.
BTW, if someone is willing to work on it, here is the link: http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/fsys_ntfs.c (the patch to generate this file is included within the grub020.zip). Please keep me updated if you plan to work on it, so we don't duplicate the effort...
Best Regards, Gilles

[che_fox]

Well, the binaries included in the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip are the result of an october 2004 cvs 0.95 snapshoot patched with the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grub020.zip (for ntfs and grldr support by Tinybit and Gandalf) and the http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grub...ss-patch-1.zip (for the network support by Fengshuo).

Excellent, this is perfect. (And apologies for misspelling your username, ruymbeke!

All the source seems to be properly tagged as GPL, too, so that seems to suit my purposes just fine. (I was worried that a binary-only distribution of some proprietary code had gotten out somehow..)

[ruymbeke]

According to http://distrowatch.com/ Knoppix 3.8.2 is out !!!

An updated version of the KNOPPIX live CD has been released.
From the http://ftp.tu-ilmenau.de/Mirrors/kno...-CHANGELOG.txt V3.8.2-2005-05-05 (update):
dist-upgrade;
kernel 2.6.11 update;
the madwifi drivers are back;
kwifimanager in KNOPPIX/network menu;
OpenOffice 1.1.4 security update;
swapping on knoppix.swp on a NTFS partition should now work;
replaced Fabian Franz' original knoppix-installer with the version from Jörg Schirottke/Kanotix;
fixed SCSI drivers in bootimage.
KNOPPIX 3.8.2 is available for free download from one of its mirror servers: ftp://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/k...5-05-05-EN.iso (694MB) or
ftp://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/k...5-05-05-DE.iso (694MB).

So I updated the minirt_ntfs.gz for Knoppix 3.8.2 with the new scsi drivers:
http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip

Cheers, Gilles

[kaiyer]

I have an old system,
HD is a C: partition, boot FAT 16, 2B
and a G: Partition. NTFS.
Copied ruymbeke's files and followed the How-To by J-Drake. All the files are on the C: partition. After the boot menu shows up and I choose GRUB, nothing happens. Flashing cursor on screen. Where do I start debugging this. I'm a Linux novice.
Windows boots ok. Tried to install Knoppix 3.8.1
any help is appreciated.
thanks

[ruymbeke]

I have an old system,
HD is a C: partition, boot FAT 16, 2B
and a G: Partition. NTFS.
Copied ruymbeke's files and followed the How-To by J-Drake. All the files are on the C: partition. After the boot menu shows up and I choose GRUB, nothing happens. Flashing cursor on screen. Where do I start debugging this. I'm a Linux novice.
Windows boots ok. Tried to install Knoppix 3.8.1
any help is appreciated.
thanks

If you can boot dos on your fat 16 partition c: from the xp bootloader, you could try to use grub.exe instead of grldr which may not work well on some old computers... Cheers, Gilles