Flux

[mrblah]

Since nobody bother answering my last post . I changed my mind and decided to remove kde altogether. How would one go about doing that?
What kind of packages should I remove w/o affecting the booting process and performance of the system?
I have already removed all other wms except fluxbox. I'm gonna use fluxbox from now on, it's clean, nice and lite . Please post your thoughts and comments this time. It makes me sad that no one cares

[mrblah]

Just so you know, do not upgrade mkisofs to mkisofs 4:2.0+a05-1 .
I think it has a bug or broken cuz after i downgraded it back to 1.10 it worked.
Make sure to either upgrade manually or when doing apt-get upgrade, comment out the testing sources.

[pubecon]

so does that mean you had success?

I'm looking to do the very same thing. I too experience your anguish with unreplied posts. I suspect an anti-fluxbox conspiracy.

[mrblah]

Yes, I've succeeded in remastering Knoppix with FLuxbox as my only Window manager. I've also removed gnome, kde, wm, larswm and everything else. As a result the cd has gotten much smaller so after that I've added many packages of my personal choosing. And even after that the size of the cd is still only at 608 MB. My cd is pretty much perfect right now, i have my own customized flux menu. As soon as I get home, I'll paste in the list of packages that were added and removed.
I also removed kdm and used xdm instead, cuz it is much cleaner that way. I edited the boot.img so that the sysconfig bootup screen does not list other windows manager and that it will also automatically select flux w/o a user having to enter in the cheat code to bootup in flux.
Glad to see somebody else on this board who's interested in this.
If you need more help remastering and customizing, post in here.

[pubecon]

you are the man!

I did a bit of tinkering before but without much success

actually, ideally, I'm doing away with any login and leaving it to a startx - terminals are much more hardcore looking.


it's good to see you had success as in a prior attempt I think I must've removed some knoppix-specific config file or just edited one with an editor that automatically wrapped as I got a few annoying errors.


I look forward to your posting of packages to remove!


with all the clobber gone I'm going to try and duplicate my system as of now (it's gentoo which makes this debian business alien) but that'll mean

phoenix as the browser - light and with tabbed browsing/mouse gesture and mplayer plugin support.
fluxbox - obviously!
gkrellm
gaim
gotta have xmms to play all the mp3s I'll squeeze on there


was also wondering how you actually configured it

last time I used Xnest but I can't startx with fluxbox as my windowmanager

i.e. export WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/wherefluxboxis && startx

just a whole load of xserver errors fly my way. It worked last time as well, I've obviously missed something.

Xnest -ac :1 &
chroot /knoppixsrc
zile /etc/resolv.conf
mount -t proc /proc proc
apt-get install synaptic
apt-get install nano
export DISPLAY=localhost:1
export WINDOWMANGER=/usr/bin/fluxbox
startx

what did I miss?!!

[mrblah]

I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you doing the remastering in gentoo?
Also, are you trying to make it so that when it boots up it goes to a terminal and then if you want, you can do startx fluxbox?
I did mine so that it automatically boots up into fluxbox, I think you might have to check the fluxbox documentation on its website.
Here :

There are two generally different ways to start X11 (and thus Fluxbox). The traditional way is using the command startx. The other way is using a graphical login manager (also called "display manager"). The most common display manager is xdm which is part of the XFree86 distribution. The display manager provided by Gnome is called gdm, the one from KDE is kdm.

If X11 is started the former way (via startx), the file that is important is called .xinitrc and resides in your home directory. In the case of starting via a display manager, the file is .xsession which resides at the same location.

The next step is to find the executable for Fluxbox. For most people, this is /usr/local/bin/fluxbox. Now you need to edit (or create) the file I just mentioned. Just put the following line at the bottom of the file:

exec /usr/local/bin/fluxbox
Change the /usr/local/bin/fluxbox to where ever your Fluxbox executable is, the above is the default location when compiling from source. Once that is done, save it and close whatever editor you used to edit it. Now you need to run the following command if you use startx:

$ chmod 700 .xinitrc
In the case of .xsession that is not needed. In both cases, you should create the directory in which Fluxbox stores its configuration:

$ mkdir .fluxbox
If you don't create it, when you exit Fluxbox and restart, you will lose all your settings (the directory is not auto-created unfortunately).

However please note that in the knoppix debian cd, fluxbox is located in /usr/bin/fluxbox if I remember correctly.


Why are you using xnest, is it so that you can have terminals and flux on different sessions? Or is that just for remastering and testing in gentoo?
I'm fairly new to linux so I haven't try xnest yet.

If you want to access terminals can't you just use them in flux w/ virtual terms (aterm looks pretty nice with transparency turned on)

As I have never used xnest before and I have no idea what your environment of remastering is like, and I don't have much experience at this, I'm sorry

But I'll post the packages to add and remove later on, and if you need anything else that I can help, post in here.

[pubecon]

yeah, I'm doing the remastering in gentoo

when the cd boots I'm happy with it just going to a terminal so I can start fluxbox with startx.

xnest was just so I could have my 'host' useable whilst configuring the knoppix source in a window. It was very cool when it worked - fluxbox in fluxbox.


getting a gui working environment also fails when trying to access with the actual terminals tty2 and so forth - to get it to pop up on the screen accessible via alt+f8. I will install to hard disc if I really have to but I far prefer this method. I also prefer working within the gui as with aptitude/apt-get I feel I may be removing some essential things while if I am actually in fluxbox (in fluxbox!) at the time of editing I feel more confident that things are going well.

[mrblah]

Here is my list of packages to remove, you would need to edit them out as you desire. Also try to do "apt-get remove `cat RemoveList` " instead of " dpkg -P `cat RemoveList` " since that way you can see the dependency and fix them accordingly.

• 821
  ace-of-penguin
  ace-of-penguins
  amor
  bb
  bsdgames
  chromium
  chromium-data
  enigma
  euro-support
  euro-support-console
  euro-support-x
  falconseye
  falconseye-data
  fb-music-high
  fortune-mod
  fortunes
  fortunes-min
  freeciv
  freeciv-gtk
  frotz
  frozen-bubble
  frozen-bubble-data
  gnocatan-ai
  gnocatan-client
  gnocatan-help
  gnocatan-server-console
  gnocatan-server-data
  gnocatan-server-gtk
  gnome-card-games
  gnome-games
  gnome-games-locale
  gnome-gnibbles
  gnome-gnobots2
  gnome-gtali
  gnome-iagno
  gnotepad+
  gnotepad+-help
  gnuchess
  gtans
  gtetrinet
  icewm
  icewm-common
  imaze
  ingerman
  jumpnbump
  k3b
  kaddressbook
  kalarm
  kamera
  kandy
  kappfinder
  karbon
  karm
  kasteroids
  kate
  kate-plugins
  kate-plugins
  katomic
  kbattleship
  kbounce
  kcalc
  kcharselect
  kchart
  kcmlinuz
  kcoloredit
  kcontrol
  kcontrol
  kcron
  kdat
  kdcop
  kdeaddons
  kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
  kdeadmin-kfile-plugins
  kdeartwork-screensaver
  kdebase
  kdebase-bin
  kdebase-kio-plugins
  kdebugdialog
  kde-games
  kdegames
  kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
  kde-i18n-cs
  kde-i18n-da
  kde-i18n-de
  kde-i18n-el
  kde-i18n-es
  kde-i18n-fr
  kde-i18n-it
  kde-i18n-ja
  kde-i18n-nl
  kde-i18n-pl
  kde-i18n-ru
  kde-i18n-tr
  kdelibs4
  kdelibs4-dev
  kdelibs-bin
  kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
  kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
  kdepasswd
  kdepim
  kdepim-kfile-plugins
  kdepim-libs
  kdeprint
  kdesktop
  kdessh
  kdeutils
  kdevelop
  kdevelop-data
  kdf
  kdm
  kdvi
  kedit
  kfax
  kfile-audio-plugins
  kfile-graphics-plugins
  kfind
  kfloppy
  kformula
  kgeo
  kget
  kghostview
  kgpgcertmanager
  khelpcenter
  khexedit
  khotkeys
  kicker
  kicker-applets
  kiconedit
  kioslave
  kivio
  kjezz
  kjots
  klaptopdaemon
  klipper
  kmahjongg
  kmail
  kmailcvt
  kmenuedit
  kmix
  kmoon
  kmoon
  kmrml
  knewsticker-scripts
  knotes
  kodo
  kodometer
  koffice
  koffice-i18n-de
  koffice-libs
  kompare
  konq-plugins
  konq-plugins
  konq-speaker
  konqueror
  konqueror-nsplugins
  konquest
  konsole
  kontour
  kooka
  korganizer
  koshell
  koules
  kpackage
  kpager
  kpaint
  kpersonalizer
  kpf
  kpilot
  kppp
  kpresenter
  krdc
  krecord
  krfb
  kruler
  ksame
  kscd
  kscreensaver
  kshisen
  ksim
  ksirtet
  ksmserver
  ksnake
  ksnapshot
  ksokoban
  kspaceduel
  ksplash
  kspread
  kstars
  ksync
  ksysguard
  ksysv
  kteatime
  ktimer
  ktip
  ktron
  ktuberling
  ktux
  kugar
  kuickshow
  kuser
  kview
  kviewshell
  kwin
  kword
  kworldclock
  kxconfig
  kxkb
  larswm
  libkdegames
  libkdegames1
  lisa
  lskat
  lxdoom
  lxdoom-x11
  maelstrom
  moon-buggy
  nethack
  nethack-common
  nethack-x11
  netris
  noatun-plugins
  odometer
  pingus-data
  rocks-n-diamonds
  rocksndiamonds
  searchandrescue
  selflinux
  snort
  stax
  task-games
  task-gnome-games
  task-kde-games
  tipptrainer
  tipptrainer-data-de
  tipptrainer-data-dexconq
  tipptrainer-data-en
  trans-de-en
  vimsokoban
  wmaker
  wmakerconf
  wmakerconf-data
  wmaker-data
  xbattle
  xbill
  xboard
  xboing
  xbomb
  xeyes
  xfishtank
  xfonts-intl-chinese
  xgalaga
  xlogo
  xskat
  xsnow
  xtris
  xtux

Also if you want, add the following in to /KNOPPIX/etc/X11/fluxbox/menu and fluxbox-menu files:

• [submenu] (OpenOffice) {}
  [exec] (drawing) {soffice private:factory/sdraw}
  [exec] (mathdoc) {soffice private:factory/smath}
  [exec] (presentation) {soffice private:factory/simpress}
  [exec] (printeradmin) {/opt/openoffice/program/spadmin}
  [exec] (spreadsheet) {soffice private:factory/scalc}
  [exec] (textdoc) {soffice private:factory/swriter}
  [exec] (openoffice) {soffice}
  [exec] (setup) {/opt/openoffice/program/setup}
  [end]
  [submenu] (KNOPPIX) {}
  [submenu] (Net) {}
  [exec] (pppoeconf) {/usr/sbin/pppoeconf}
  [exec] (wlcardconfig) {rxvt -bg black -fg white -cr red -ls -e /usr/sbin/wlcardconfig}
  [exec] (netcardconfig) {rxvt -bg black -fg white -cr red -ls -e /usr/sbin/netcardconfig}
  [end]
  [submenu] (Config) {}
  [exec] (cupsconfig) {/usr/sbin/cupsconfig}
  [exec] (mkdosswapfile) {rxvt -bg black -fg white -cr red -ls -e /usr/sbin/mkdosswapfile}
  [exec] (mkpersistenthome) {/usr/sbin/mkpersistenthome}
  [exec] (saveconfig) {/usr/sbin/saveconfig}
  [exec] (SoundCardConfig) {rxvt -bg black -fg white -cr red -ls -e /usr/sbin/soundcardconfig}
  [end]
  [submenu] (Services) {}
  [exec] (Knoppix-terminalserver) {/etc/init.d/knoppix-terminalserver}
  [exec] (sshstart) {/usr/sbin/sshstart}
  [end]
  [exec] (RootAtermW) {aterm -T . -tr -trsb +sb -bw 0 -bg black -fg white -cr red -ls -e sudo -s}
  [exec] (RegularAterm) {aterm -T . -bg black -fg white -cr red +sb -tr -trsb -bw 0}
  [end]

Note that the aterm is my personal preference and if you want to, you have to install it as it is not included in the original Knoppix.
And also make your .xinitrc look like this:

• 
  #!/bin/sh
  # $Xorg: xinitrc.cpp,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:30 cpqbld Exp $
  
  # /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
  #
  # global xinitrc file, used by all X sessions started by xinit (startx)
  
  # invoke global X session script
  . /etc/X11/Xsession
  exec /usr/bin/fluxbox
  

If you want to edit your boot.img do a :

mount -t msdos -o loop boot.img mountpoint

and edit your syslinux.cfg to look like so:

• DEFAULT vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off screen=1280x1024 desktop=fluxbox hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  TIMEOUT 150
  
  PROMPT 1
  DISPLAY boot.msg
  F1 boot.msg
  F2 f2
  LABEL knoppix
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL knoppix-txt
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=normal initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL expert
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 initrd=miniroot.gz nomce BOOT_IMAGE=expert
  LABEL fb1280x1024
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off desktop=fluxbox hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=794 xmodule=fbdev initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL fb1024x768
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off desktop=fluxbox hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 xmodule=fbdev initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL fb800x600
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off desktop=fluxbox hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=788 xmodule=fbdev initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL failsafe
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init vga=normal noscsi nodma noapm nousb nopcmcia nofirewire noagp nomce xmodule=vesa initrd=miniroot.gz BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
  LABEL userdef
  KERNEL vmlinuz
  APPEND ###

[mrblah]

I forgot to include my list of packages to add (just a recommendation), some of them are new packages, some of them are already included in the cd but w/ older versions so I just put them in the list so that I remember to upgrade them individually everytime I want to remaster.

• 6tunnel
  X-wvdial
  apt-spy
  arping
  aterm
  autopsy
  bastille
  bitchx
  bittorrent
  blackbox
  busybox
  cdfs
  chemtool
  chkrootkit
  chntpw
  cinelerra
  dante-client
  dsniff
  ed2k-gtk
  ed2k-gtk-gui
  edonkey
  etherape
  etherape
  filmgimp
  flac
  fluxconf
  f-prot
  freetype2
  freetype2-demos
  gaim
  gftp
  gkrellm
  gkrellmwireless
  gkrellweather
  gocr
  gopher
  harden-tools
  hexcurse
  hping2
  httptunnel
  hunt
  id3ed
  j2re1.4.1
  jack
  john
  lame
  lftp
  libdvdcss
  libmpeg3
  libwxgtk2.4-python
  linpopup
  memtest86
  mp3info
  mpack
  mplayer
  mplayer-686
  mplayer-doc
  mplayer-fonts
  mplayer-mozilla
  msttcorefonts
  naim
  nbtscan
  ncftp
  nemesis
  nichewrk
  nmap
  ntaim
  ntop
  ogle
  ogle-gui
  ohphone
  openmosix
  outguess
  outguess
  perl
  pptpd
  pvm
  python
  python-gnuplot
  python-numeric
  python-stats
  radio
  rar
  ripperx
  scribus
  sharutils
  simph323
  snarf
  snmp
  snort
  stegdetect
  steghide
  stunnel
  task
  tcpreplay
  tct
  tkpaint
  unrar
  unzip
  upx-nrv
  upx-ucl
  whowatch
  wipe
  wvdial
  wxpython
  xmms-flac
  xmovie
  xnview
  xsane
  xsteg
  zip

[pubecon]

fantastic. that HAS to also be of use to someone other than myself.

uni-workload permitting I'll try that out tomorrow. even if it's a few days, I'm still here and most definetly interested so if anything else comes to mind that you think might even be the vaguest bit of help please do post it.


most appreciated!