yeah, instead of using sudo knoppix-installer, (hand't seen that) I tried the tohd which I found in the cheat codes file. Don't know which version, don't have it with me. But it wrecked the hard drive, I mean I had to go out and buy a new one, spent ages in parted and fsck, dosfsk and all that. But it was like I'd taken that hard drive out and kicked it round the room. Not angry or anything, my risk and all, got a new hard drive and did knoppix install, really like it, of course it's debian, but I like the whole idea. Thank ya. God bless