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    Knoppix Live -> Install / Reccomended disk space

    Right now im running windows xp home edition, but after fooling around with linux live cds, I am looking into installing a hard copy of it. My windows system is on a 200gb SATA hdd, and I have another 120gb HDD which is virtually unused. I don't want to dedicate all of the second hard drive to Linux, so how much would you recommend partitioning? Would a 20gb partition be sufficient? Also, if I installed it on a separate partition, would it be safe to write to the NTFS drive? I know there are many problems which may arise from writing from linux to a NTFS drive when working with windows files, is it still risky if I write to a dedicated knoppix partition?

    On a second note, I've also been experimenting with Knoppix s-t-d. I knoppix, my ethernet card is automatically detected and I can immediately connect to the internet, however, in s-t-d, my card is not detected. I tried the pppconf utility, but I'm not exactly sure what to do. The drivers on windows are "Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller," so wuold I have to cross my fingers and hope these are included in the std package?

    Thanks in advanced,
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    Re: Knoppix Live -> Install / Reccomended disk space

    Quote Originally Posted by inflames989
    Also, if I installed it on a separate partition, would it be safe to write to the NTFS drive?
    There is no such thing as an NTSF drive, only an NTSF partition. It is not safe to write to a NTSF partition (I doubt it is safe with 5.0.1 either, but Klaus claims "limited" ability to write to NTFS in 5.0.1, I have no idea what that means). It is perfectly safe to write to other partitions on a drive that has a NTFS partition. It is never safe to shrink a partition, and I would certainly not try to shrink a NTFS partition with a Linux tool.

    Quote Originally Posted by inflames989
    On a second note, I've also been experimenting with Knoppix s-t-d. I knoppix, my ethernet card is automatically detected and I can immediately connect to the internet, however, in s-t-d, my card is not detected. I tried the pppconf utility, but I'm not exactly sure what to do. The drivers on windows are "Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller," so wuold I have to cross my fingers and hope these are included in the std package?
    STD lags behind Knoppix and it is understandable that it may not have some of the drivers, particularly for a newer 10/100/1000 NIC (I'm assuming that is what this is from the name, I have not looked it up). Short of remastering, yes, you wait for the Live CD that you are interested in to include the driver.

    I would question the wisdom of installing Knoppix (or STD) at all though. See answer #2 and consider installing Debian Etch instead, then installing all of the packages that you want. I expect that Etch will like your NIC just fine.

    As to space, it depends on what you are planning to do with the system. 20 gig is a lot for Linux, until you start storing data like video files. I suspect that with an almost empty 120 gig drive I would give Linux a bit more to be on the safe side, 30 to 40 gig. Since Linux can read and write a FAT partition maybe you will want to use whatever is left as a FAT partition that both systems can use and share data between (but remember that FAT partitions can't hold ISOs or other files 4 gig or larger).

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    I am not a big fan of Knoppix Live DVD/CD to HD installs. See http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Category...e_Installation for reasons why.

    As for you questions on HD space, you will need about 20GB for the Live-DVD and 3 GB for the Live CD. On the other 120GB HD, if you have an existing windows NTFS partition taking up the whole space on it, then it will have to be resized to accomodate a Linux partition. All normal linux to HD installs require a Linux partition for the data to reside. It can be installed to a NTFS or FAT32 partition.

    As for why you might have problems with your network card using Knoppix VS. Knoppix-STD, simply put, Knoppix-STD is not Knoppix. Even though it has the word "Knoppix" and is based on Knoppix, Knoppix STD is not real Knoppix but is someone else's variant of it. I have not done much research but it appears to be no longer supported. It is over 2 years old and uses the Linux 2.4.x series kernel, which is why it might not support today's hardware. Go to distrowatch.com's listing for knoppix-std for more details.

    ** EDIT ** The only knoppix std that I have been able to find is 2 years old. Other sources say that there has been a new release within 12 months.

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    would it be easier to continue to run from a live cd, but create a FAT partition to store data? Let's say I wanted to install AIM for Linux: I would be able to store the package to the FAT partition and run it while using the live cd perfectly right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inflames989
    would it be easier to continue to run from a live cd, but create a FAT partition to store data? Let's say I wanted to install AIM for Linux: I would be able to store the package to the FAT partition and run it while using the live cd perfectly right?
    No, I think it would be much easier (and faster) to install Debian to hard disk.
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    k so ill try installing debian to a FAT (right?) partition about 25gb large.

    Will the i386 netinst be sufficient, or am i better off downloading the 3 i386 dvds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inflames989
    k so ill try installing debian to a FAT (right?) partition about 25gb large.

    Will the i386 netinst be sufficient, or am i better off downloading the 3 i386 dvds?
    No not to a FAT partition. While Linux can certainly read & write to a FAT partition, ALL Linux installs must be done on a Linux formatted partition. During the install of any Linux, the install program will ask to use an existing Linux formatted partition or it will ask you to create a Linux formatted partition by either using the free space & then adding it, or by removing existing partitions & then adding it, or resizing existing partitions & then adding it.

    Unless you have huge bandwidth and/or want to take the time to download the 3 DVDs, then you should be able to use the netinst or CD #1 & possible also CD #2.

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    alrite, thanks guys

    (downloading netinst now)

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    FWIW, I'd recommend a HD install of Kanotix (which is -- sort of -- a Knoppix optimised for HD installation). BWTH.

    Hard drives are dirt cheap nowadays, but I'd recommend 1/2 gig Linux swap, 10 gig / and a seperate 10gig /home partitition (I use ext3 for both, some swear by Reiser FS). If you formatted the rest of the drive fat32 (vfat in Linux speak) you could write to that partition from both Linux and XP without issues.

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    The above post is what I'd go for. The separate /home allows for reinstalls or a new CD distribution upgrade without losing all your /home settings. The Kanotix installer also allows for /etc.etc. directories to be protected in any CD upgrade. Kanotix is very stable and ideally suited for HDD installs.

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