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Thread: Applications I miss in Knoppix 6.4.3: joe, gdisk

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    Applications I miss in Knoppix 6.4.3: joe, gdisk

    - joe: Debian package / Home page -- My favorite editor, now with syntax highlighting and whatnot. It has been there and vanished some time ago from Knoppix. Please bring it back! And don't tell it takes too much space!

    - gdisk: Debian package / Home page -- With upcoming use of GUID Partition Tables (GPT) this is a must for any distribution that should be usable for repair jobs.

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    Hi, DirkS

    I'd love to spar with you on your software choices,
    but instead I think you should consult your Synaptic.

    I'm running 6.4.4, but I'd be surprised to hear that
    6.4.3 doesn't allow you to get both joe and gdisk;
    6.4.4 sure does. Or maybe you need to open up a few
    more repos.

    Have you tried Synaptic? If so, what problems are you
    having? Let's hear more from you.

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    Hi utu,

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    but instead I think you should consult your Synaptic.
    What if I have no network connection?

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    I'm running 6.4.4, but I'd be surprised to hear that
    6.4.3 doesn't allow you to get both joe and gdisk;
    6.4.4 sure does. Or maybe you need to open up a few
    more repos.
    Hmm... This makes me wonder about whether I have the wrong idea about Knoppix and the way I use it altogether: As a BIG chest of tools that are just there, out of the box and don't need to be downloaded from somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Have you tried Synaptic? If so, what problems are you
    having? Let's hear more from you.
    No, I haven't tried synaptic. Since the persistence feature is not properly working right now (at least I could not find out how to make it work) and fiddling with partitions usually involves several reboots within a short time, I would have needed to do the installation of these tools over and over within said short time.

    Instead, I used 'grml'. A nice distribution, more aimed for admin jobs, contains everything I needed out of the box (joe, gdisk, gparted) and has a working persistence feature (using the Debian Live system, by the way - wouldn't that be an option for Knoppix, too, assuming that the previously existing persistence feature would need some major effort for making it work again anyway?)

    You see, I already have a solution. But why should Knoppix stay behind?

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    Hi, again DirkS

    It never occurred to me that your problem was not having internet.
    How is it we are having this dialog? And, where did you get 6.4.3?
    Clearly, we need to know more about your set up: Live or HD,
    CD iso or DVD, etc.

    I only use the CD versions of Knoppix, but I know the DVD
    versions have much more software on them to choose from.

    I favor Knoppix as a LiveUSB with persistence because I never
    liked the hassle of dual-booting. I'm blessed with broadband internet.
    Also Knoppix is the most friendly of all distros in regard to the
    Broadcom wifi that's in my laptop. I also favor the LiveCD iso
    over the DVD since it allows very compact USBs to be made from it.

    LiveUSBs made from a Knoppix LiveCD iso have a built-in option that
    gives you a chance, albeit brief, at every boot to establish persistent
    store, until such time that you do so.

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    Instead, I used 'grml'. A nice distribution, more aimed for admin jobs, contains everything I needed out of the box (joe, gdisk, gparted) and has a working persistence feature (using the Debian Live system, by the way - wouldn't that be an option for Knoppix, too, assuming that the previously existing persistence feature would need some major effort for making it work again anyway?)
    Klaus Knopper is the one who decides whether to continue to use joe, gdisk etc or keep his way of 'persistent memory', not you.

    If you like this grml-stuff, use it and be happy.

    But if you miss some tools in Knoppix, remaster it.

    To obtain "persistent memory" with Knoppix, I only type in at first startup how much to use for persistent memory from the free space on the usb-stick.

    Fiddling with "Debian live" usually involves several reboots within a short time.


    Greetings Werner * http://www.wp-schulz.de/knoppix/summary.html
    Own Rescue-CD with Knoppix (Knoppix V6.4.4 remaster)
    Last edited by Werner P. Schulz; 04-16-2011 at 04:00 PM.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner P. Schulz View Post
    Klaus Knopper is the one who decides whether to continue to use joe, gdisk etc or keep his way of 'persistent memory', not you.
    Indeed. And I suggest to put these in, so others can use it, too. Otherwise I would just remaster the DVD (what I'm likely about to do anyway, for myself only...).
    Ok, I deserved this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner P. Schulz View Post
    To obtain "persistent memory" with Knoppix, I only type in at first startup how much to use for persistent memory from the free space on the usb-stick.
    Ok. I burned it onto a DVD so that was not an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner P. Schulz View Post
    Fiddling with "Debian live" usually involves several reboots within a short time.
    Yes indeed!

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    Ahem.
    I'm not sure if you are kidding me. In case you are not, here is my serious answer:
    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    It never occurred to me that your problem was not having internet.
    How is it we are having this dialog? And, where did you get 6.4.3?
    I got 6.4.3 by downloading it at home, where I have internet (and where I am now, therefore being able to communicate with someone remote). Then I took it to the company where I need to ask for an IP address that I can use for some time on that machine while not running the normal OS, and set up the network with it, something I did not do because I felt that it was not worth the effort. So, theoretically I could have had an internet connection in that case.

    But my question was: WHAT IF I don't have internet?

    There are still cases I know where internet access is not possible, for different reasons, most likely security. And then...?
    Are you saying that Knoppix is not meant to be used in these environments? But - if it is not, why does a DVD image even exist? All I need would be the most basic Debian system with simple web browser and a tool to do the network configuration. Everything else could be downloaded. Alas, this would require an easy-to-use persistence system...

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Clearly, we need to know more about your set up: Live or HD,
    CD iso or DVD, etc.
    DVD, live. (I considered an installation to HD, but the installer insists on wanting 1GB of swap and wants me to repartition the HD and put a reiserfs(!) filesystem onto it.)

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    ...
    I favor Knoppix as a LiveUSB with persistence because I never liked the hassle of dual-booting. I'm blessed with broadband internet. Also Knoppix is the most friendly of all distros in regard to the Broadcom wifi that's in my laptop. I also favor the LiveCD iso over the DVD since it allows very compact USBs to be made from it.
    I see, thank you. That explains a lot.

    Up to now I preferred the DVD, because it contains more software and I don't need anything else (no need to convince the BIOS to boot from USB and I even prefer to disconnect the network cable when I don't really need it). Also, contrary to an USB stick, a CD/DVD cannot be altered/infected - by design. Plus, a DVD is much cheaper than a USB memory stick.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    LiveUSBs made from a Knoppix LiveCD iso have a built-in option that gives you a chance, albeit brief, at every boot to establish persistent store, until such time that you do so.
    That would be an option, even though it would not be my idea of a perfect solution. I'll look into it. Thank you!

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