Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 26 of 26

Thread: Poor man's install, with extra storage, on NTFS/Win7

  1. #21
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Columbia, Maryland USA
    Posts
    1,631
    I have started researching 'ntfs-3g' on this forum and find that
    using ntfs for remastering was a hot topic in early May of this
    year. Use the forum search function to see where Forester
    suggested it in so many words.

    Some of the current cast of characters on this topic were then
    just as uncertain about its advisability as I have expressed.

    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?

  2. #22
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802
    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    I have started researching 'ntfs-3g' on this forum and find that
    using ntfs for remastering was a hot topic in early May of this
    year. Use the forum search function to see where Forester
    suggested it in so many words.

    Some of the current cast of characters on this topic were then
    just as uncertain about its advisability as I have expressed.

    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?
    First, you have to distingush between full use of NTFS, e.g. for file system administration, and the very restricted use with this method, For instance, I would not recommend expanding the store files, rather create them anew, as I did with store.img yesterday.
    Second, there is an issue of relative risk. And the relative risk using ntfs-3g relative to using NTFS natively, is way lower than I had realized.
    Third, the use of NTFS for such purposes is exploding. Are the error reports also exploding, from competent users? Go figure.

  3. #23
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    423
    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?
    I wouldn't say poor-man install on NTFS and running knoppix fuse/ntfs-3g is totally safe, considering that in my opinion, the original Knoppix does not shutdown properly, especially on fuse/NTFS. However, it is definitely safer than trying to use Win7 VHD on Linux.

  4. #24
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802

    Yes, but should that be a threat for Windows?

    Quote Originally Posted by kl522 View Post
    I wouldn't say poor-man install on NTFS and running knoppix fuse/ntfs-3g is totally safe, considering that in my opinion, the original Knoppix does not shutdown properly, especially on fuse/NTFS. However, it is definitely safer than trying to use Win7 VHD on Linux.
    Sure, but I perceive this mostly to be a problem for Knoppix. Persistent image is inherently unsafe storage because of non-proper shutdown. If lack of proper file closure causes a file system corruption problem after random access to an established, allocation-wise unchanged file, then NTFS is worse than I am able to believe it is. Any program, at any time, might get stuck and die, leaving open files behind, and Windows can't rely on any special OS monitor being alive and kicking at the time to fix it.

    Do you think this bug may corrupt NTFS?

    In any case, please register this as a bug, as you know so much about it, and have a fix: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/6.4.4DVD. Very nice if you could include your patch(es) too. Of course, Klaus K is completely free to ignore all bug reports/suggestions, but the bug pages on the wiki here have been actively used by Klaus&co in earlier releases.

  5. #25
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    423
    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorny View Post
    Of course, Klaus K is completely free to ignore all bug reports/suggestions, but the bug pages on the wiki here have been actively used by Klaus&co in earlier releases.
    I think the first bug which needs to be logged is the extra /dev/loop/0 thingie. For decades, this unwanted "feature" has been around to bother all knoppix users, and Klaus&co are still totally unaware of it.

  6. #26
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802
    Quote Originally Posted by kl522 View Post
    I think the first bug which needs to be logged is the extra /dev/loop/0 thingie. For decades, this unwanted "feature" has been around to bother all knoppix users, and Klaus&co are still totally unaware of it.
    Then go ahead and log it! I don't want to "spam" the knoppix-devel list with lots of detailed bug reports, but presenting a list of bugs/misfeatures, we may expect them to be corrected.
    And that shutdown thing is important, I think, so please file it.
    BTW, I think Knoppix just turned 10

Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


Gigabyte Z370P D3 ATX Z370 LGA1151 Motherboard (Support Intel 6/7th 8th 9th) picture

Gigabyte Z370P D3 ATX Z370 LGA1151 Motherboard (Support Intel 6/7th 8th 9th)

$59.99



ASUS H110M-R Motherboard Intel 6th/7th Gen LGA1151 DDR4 Micro-ATX i/o shield picture

ASUS H110M-R Motherboard Intel 6th/7th Gen LGA1151 DDR4 Micro-ATX i/o shield

$42.00



ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 DDR4 SATA 6Gb/s 1 PCIe 4.0 x16 Micro ATX Motherboard picture

ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 DDR4 SATA 6Gb/s 1 PCIe 4.0 x16 Micro ATX Motherboard

$84.99



Asus Prime H310M-A R2.0 Intel LGA 1151 DDR4 Desktop Motherboard picture

Asus Prime H310M-A R2.0 Intel LGA 1151 DDR4 Desktop Motherboard

$54.99



ASRock H170 Pro4S Motherboard ATX Intel H170 LGA1151 DDR4 SATA3 HDMI picture

ASRock H170 Pro4S Motherboard ATX Intel H170 LGA1151 DDR4 SATA3 HDMI

$39.99



Asus H81M-C Intel LGA1150 DDR3 Desktop Motherboard MicroATX Socket H3  picture

Asus H81M-C Intel LGA1150 DDR3 Desktop Motherboard MicroATX Socket H3

$23.99



Asus Prime A320M-K mATX AM4 Motherboard (Ryzen 1000-5000 Ready) picture

Asus Prime A320M-K mATX AM4 Motherboard (Ryzen 1000-5000 Ready)

$49.99



ASUS B85M-E Motherboard Intel B85 (4th Gen) LGA1150 DDR3 microATX picture

ASUS B85M-E Motherboard Intel B85 (4th Gen) LGA1150 DDR3 microATX

$39.99



GIGABYTE MB10-Datto Motherboard Xeon D-1521- SR2DF 2.40 GHz- Open Box picture

GIGABYTE MB10-Datto Motherboard Xeon D-1521- SR2DF 2.40 GHz- Open Box

$139.05



Asus X99-A II Foxconn LGA2011 ATX Motherboard - Motherboard Only picture

Asus X99-A II Foxconn LGA2011 ATX Motherboard - Motherboard Only

$123.50