Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 26 of 26

Thread: Poor man's install, with extra storage, on NTFS/Win7

  1. #21
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Columbia, Maryland USA
    Posts
    1,631
    I have started researching 'ntfs-3g' on this forum and find that
    using ntfs for remastering was a hot topic in early May of this
    year. Use the forum search function to see where Forester
    suggested it in so many words.

    Some of the current cast of characters on this topic were then
    just as uncertain about its advisability as I have expressed.

    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?

  2. #22
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802
    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    I have started researching 'ntfs-3g' on this forum and find that
    using ntfs for remastering was a hot topic in early May of this
    year. Use the forum search function to see where Forester
    suggested it in so many words.

    Some of the current cast of characters on this topic were then
    just as uncertain about its advisability as I have expressed.

    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?
    First, you have to distingush between full use of NTFS, e.g. for file system administration, and the very restricted use with this method, For instance, I would not recommend expanding the store files, rather create them anew, as I did with store.img yesterday.
    Second, there is an issue of relative risk. And the relative risk using ntfs-3g relative to using NTFS natively, is way lower than I had realized.
    Third, the use of NTFS for such purposes is exploding. Are the error reports also exploding, from competent users? Go figure.

  3. #23
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    423
    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    What was the Defining Experience that made you (anyone) become
    less concerned with whether this was a risky business or not?
    I wouldn't say poor-man install on NTFS and running knoppix fuse/ntfs-3g is totally safe, considering that in my opinion, the original Knoppix does not shutdown properly, especially on fuse/NTFS. However, it is definitely safer than trying to use Win7 VHD on Linux.

  4. #24
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802

    Yes, but should that be a threat for Windows?

    Quote Originally Posted by kl522 View Post
    I wouldn't say poor-man install on NTFS and running knoppix fuse/ntfs-3g is totally safe, considering that in my opinion, the original Knoppix does not shutdown properly, especially on fuse/NTFS. However, it is definitely safer than trying to use Win7 VHD on Linux.
    Sure, but I perceive this mostly to be a problem for Knoppix. Persistent image is inherently unsafe storage because of non-proper shutdown. If lack of proper file closure causes a file system corruption problem after random access to an established, allocation-wise unchanged file, then NTFS is worse than I am able to believe it is. Any program, at any time, might get stuck and die, leaving open files behind, and Windows can't rely on any special OS monitor being alive and kicking at the time to fix it.

    Do you think this bug may corrupt NTFS?

    In any case, please register this as a bug, as you know so much about it, and have a fix: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/6.4.4DVD. Very nice if you could include your patch(es) too. Of course, Klaus K is completely free to ignore all bug reports/suggestions, but the bug pages on the wiki here have been actively used by Klaus&co in earlier releases.

  5. #25
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    423
    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorny View Post
    Of course, Klaus K is completely free to ignore all bug reports/suggestions, but the bug pages on the wiki here have been actively used by Klaus&co in earlier releases.
    I think the first bug which needs to be logged is the extra /dev/loop/0 thingie. For decades, this unwanted "feature" has been around to bother all knoppix users, and Klaus&co are still totally unaware of it.

  6. #26
    Senior Member registered user
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    802
    Quote Originally Posted by kl522 View Post
    I think the first bug which needs to be logged is the extra /dev/loop/0 thingie. For decades, this unwanted "feature" has been around to bother all knoppix users, and Klaus&co are still totally unaware of it.
    Then go ahead and log it! I don't want to "spam" the knoppix-devel list with lots of detailed bug reports, but presenting a list of bugs/misfeatures, we may expect them to be corrected.
    And that shutdown thing is important, I think, so please file it.
    BTW, I think Knoppix just turned 10

Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


Knoppix 9.1 Live Linux GNU Bootable USB Flash Drive USA picture

Knoppix 9.1 Live Linux GNU Bootable USB Flash Drive USA

$19.99



Knoppix NSM 1.2 picture

Knoppix NSM 1.2

$8.50



Hamshack Live DVD-ROM picture

Hamshack Live DVD-ROM

$6.80



Knoppix Live GNU Linux System 9.1 on Bootable CD / DVD / USB Flash Drive picture

Knoppix Live GNU Linux System 9.1 on Bootable CD / DVD / USB Flash Drive

$9.99



Linux Knoppix 4.0.2 Installation Disc picture

Linux Knoppix 4.0.2 Installation Disc

$39.99



Knoppix Linux Bootable OS v8.6

Knoppix Linux Bootable OS v8.6 "Original Live Operating System" 32G USB Stick

$20.30



KNOPPIX 9.1 LINUX INSTALL & LIVE DVD picture

KNOPPIX 9.1 LINUX INSTALL & LIVE DVD

$9.99



Acer Aspire One 9 inch Netbook ZG5 512MB RAM 8GB SSD HD Knoppix Linux WiFi VGA picture

Acer Aspire One 9 inch Netbook ZG5 512MB RAM 8GB SSD HD Knoppix Linux WiFi VGA

$79.99



Knoppix Linux Bootable OS v8.6

Knoppix Linux Bootable OS v8.6 "Original Live Operating System" 16G USB Stick

$19.95