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    Found this note concerning 6.7

    http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix67-en.html

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    CD image size & flash

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Greetings Werner & kl522

    I've got my new Knoppix 6.7 LiveUSB running.
    Kernel is 2.6.39.3 #21; desktop background is new; Chromium replaces IceWeasel.
    adriane not on menu, but lots of /user/bin/adriane components.
    mis-behaving aumixer applet on my install. Flash not working for my Chromium; is for IceWeasel.
    otherwise much like old-faithful 6.4.4. Was hoping for a built-in re-mastering option.
    CD version really fills a CD with 730.7 Mb.
    It fits on a standard 700 MB CD-R (which may contain up to 737280 bytes). Flash should work OK if installed via the flashplugin-nonfree Debian package, though you have to enable the plugin in Chromium on a per-page base (click on the icon in the address bar).

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    Greetings, Herr Knopper.

    I've discovered most of what I didn't know at first about Knoppix 6.7.
    It is really a nice distro, and even an improvement over 6.4.4.
    It is the only distro that anticipates (both) my laptop's display & wifi.

    I do have some second thoughts, however:
    1..Chromium seems like a backward step, relative fo Firefox 5.
    2..It would be nice if there were a LibreOffice Lite, that just gave us
    ...calc and write, say for 2/3 the Mbs of the all-up suite.
    3..I'd like to see a remastering menu item ala PCLinuxOS that would
    facilitate remastering for the intellectually challenged.

    Best Regards.

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    Chromium and remastering Knoppix

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Greetings, Herr Knopper.

    I've discovered most of what I didn't know at first about Knoppix 6.7.
    It is really a nice distro, and even an improvement over 6.4.4.
    It is the only distro that anticipates (both) my laptop's display & wifi.

    I do have some second thoughts, however:
    1..Chromium seems like a backward step, relative fo Firefox 5.
    May I know why you think so?

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    2..It would be nice if there were a LibreOffice Lite, that just gave us
    ...calc and write, say for 2/3 the Mbs of the all-up suite.
    I may have to do this sooner or later, since space is tight on the CD.
    However, it will not save too much space, since the largest part is the Libreoffice core.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    3..I'd like to see a remastering menu item ala PCLinuxOS that would
    facilitate remastering for the intellectually challenged.

    Best Regards.
    What should a remastering menu do, exactly?

    Just adding your own packages should be fairly easy, using the overlay feature in an USB installation. Rebuilding the compressed part, on the other hand, is surely not a beginners task, and I don't think this can be done easily with just a few clicks.

    Regards
    -Klaus

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    Quote Originally Posted by knopper View Post
    May I know why you think so?
    Regards
    -Klaus
    Welcome to Knoppix forum. I am particular amused by Klaus Knopper coming to this forum who is registered since 2002 but the status is a junior member. This forum is particularly hostile to new comers due to anti-spamming measures.

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    Greetings again, Klaus

    In regards my comment on Chromium being a step backward:
    I am used to tailoring font types & sizes and deleting underlines to suit my
    own taste as one can do with Firefox & related browsers. This feature is
    diminished in Chromium. Chromium has the feel of a browser for a netbook.
    Firefox 5 has a very elegant feel to it by comparison, better suited I think
    to a laptop.

    In regard to LibreOffice, it seems to me that in earlier versions of
    OpenOffice that there were stand-alone packages for write & calc, possibly
    other elements. The current arrangement with LibreOffice as you know,
    cannot be slimmed down much by unloading unused elements. The option to use
    some earlier versions would suit my needs. I've been using this LibreOffice/
    OpenOffice since it was called StarOffice.

    I've been using the overlay feature, if I recall, since 6.2.1 and it continues
    to serve me well. My niche has been 2 Gb SanDisk LiveUSBs. I've resisted
    remastering new compressed images up until now for lack of Gigabytes and for
    resistance against the complexity . I've just solved the storage restriction.

    A menu feature in PCLinuxOS called 'mylivecd' purports to do all the hard work
    of making a new compressed image. Presumably one uses Synaptic to add &
    remove program elements from a live system and then points mylivecd to an
    appropriately large area in which to prepare a compressed image (iso).
    This iso is usually first tested in a VirtualBox or VMWare Player before
    making an actual LiveCD or LiveUSB. Uses a lot of Drake processes.

    Werner Schulz, on this forum, has a similar approach requiring, as you say
    more than just beginner's talents to accomplish. In my case, I know what
    I want to accomplish, but I want some automation to make it happen.

    Very nice to have you join our forum. I hope you'll check in on us more often.

    Best regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klaus2008 View Post
    On my system (Oracle VirtualBox 4.0.12 on Windows 7 host) it is not necessary to use the cheat code 'noudev' but it takes about 3 minutes until the LXDE is ready to use.
    Had the same problem Knoppix 6.7 ( and Knoppix 6.4.4 ) when using Oracle VirtualBox 4.1.0 on a Linux host ( my custom version of Knoppix ). Without the cheatcode is just hang at udev thing and stuck forever. Putting in noudev cheatcode could get pass the booting and graphical windows started but there is no mouse, a virtual keyboard appeared. It's closed to impossible to menu around the system without the mouse.

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    There are many similar reports on the internet. Likely is not udev problem per se but rather it is stuck at trying to figure out the display. Might be a problem specific to Linux host, as it was also reported that it works on a Windows host.

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    Re: Chromium and remastering Knoppix

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Greetings again, Klaus

    In regards my comment on Chromium being a step backward:
    I am used to tailoring font types & sizes and deleting underlines to suit my
    own taste as one can do with Firefox & related browsers. This feature is
    diminished in Chromium. Chromium has the feel of a browser for a netbook.
    Firefox 5 has a very elegant feel to it by comparison, better suited I think
    to a laptop.
    Ok, though I had the opposite impression, chromium being very elegant and slim, with focus on the "content" part which fills over 90% of the screen, and no unnecessary buttons or status bars, the latter ones being replaced by small on-screen status messages. The impression I had of chromiums look&feel plus rendering speed may be related to the fact that I do use mostly small netbooks for everyday work, rather than large screens. The font setting does not look too much different to me than the one in firefox, and many options not in the settings menu, can be set via gconf instead.

    One problem I noticed is the missing support for the graphical screenreader orca.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    In regard to LibreOffice, it seems to me that in earlier versions of
    OpenOffice that there were stand-alone packages for write & calc, possibly
    other elements. The current arrangement with LibreOffice as you know,
    cannot be slimmed down much by unloading unused elements. The option to use
    some earlier versions would suit my needs. I've been using this LibreOffice/
    OpenOffice since it was called StarOffice.

    I've been using the overlay feature, if I recall, since 6.2.1 and it continues
    to serve me well. My niche has been 2 Gb SanDisk LiveUSBs. I've resisted
    remastering new compressed images up until now for lack of Gigabytes and for
    resistance against the complexity . I've just solved the storage restriction.

    A menu feature in PCLinuxOS called 'mylivecd' purports to do all the hard work
    of making a new compressed image. Presumably one uses Synaptic to add &
    remove program elements from a live system and then points mylivecd to an
    appropriately large area in which to prepare a compressed image (iso).
    This iso is usually first tested in a VirtualBox or VMWare Player before
    making an actual LiveCD or LiveUSB. Uses a lot of Drake processes.
    I use a quite complex Makefile for this procedure, but you still need to know how to properly install or remove packages in Debian in order to rebuild the compressed image. I would tend to see advanced filesystem tree knowledge as requirement for successfully building a compressed file system, and don't trust automatic tools too much. But then, that's just my opinion. If you can write a script suitable for beginners, that does everything automatically, I can schedule it for inclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Werner Schulz, on this forum, has a similar approach requiring, as you say
    more than just beginner's talents to accomplish. In my case, I know what
    I want to accomplish, but I want some automation to make it happen.
    Still, someone has to write and package the automatism in a way that makes it difficult to break something seriously, by accident.

    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
    Very nice to have you join our forum. I hope you'll check in on us more often.
    Best regards.
    It's a matter of time resources. Unfortunately, I don't have as much as I should, but I always try to answer the most urgent questions.

    Regards
    -Klaus

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    "Poor man's remastering" maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by knopper View Post

    I use a quite complex Makefile for this procedure, but you still need to know how to properly install or remove packages in Debian in order to rebuild the compressed image. I would tend to see advanced filesystem tree knowledge as requirement for successfully building a compressed file system, and don't trust automatic tools too much. But then, that's just my opinion. If you can write a script suitable for beginners, that does everything automatically, I can schedule it for inclusion.
    ....

    Still, someone has to write and package the automatism in a way that makes it difficult to break something seriously, by accident.
    ....

    It's a matter of time resources. Unfortunately, I don't have as much as I should, but I always try to answer the most urgent questions.

    -Klaus
    Klaus,
    To take the last point first: I for one is very thankful for your extremely useful work, regardless of support level. It is of course very nice when you can take time to answer questions and discuss, but for me, the Knoppix releases are what really matters.

    Remastering script: I and others are using kind of "poor man's remastering", and it seems to work well - at least I'm running these multiple remasterings on a daily basis. The different operations are gathered in a rather simple script, the original version posted by Forester here.
    First, and most important step:

    1. Copy most of /UNIONFS to a remastering directory, but use only the "stubs" of /var and /home from original KNOPPIX image.
    2. Create compressed file system (Seems that we tend to prefer squashfs here, but cloop is also used.)
    3. Create new persistent image, copy over /home and /var.
    4. Test run the new version, e.g. in qemu.

    Only after extensive testing, I think the second step, creating a new ISO image, should be carried out.
    The two scripts carrying out those steps would not necessarily need much competence to run, would they? and, rather than trying to be all things to all people. it could be rather picky about some details to maximize the chances of success. (Like 0wn requires reiserfs, for example)

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