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Thread: Phew. Can we please get rid of that forced moderation for new members' posts?

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    Red face Phew. Can we please get rid of that forced moderation for new members' posts?

    It feels like riding a bike with f***ing training wheels. I can already post on my own, I'm an adult, thank you very muchhh in advance for your cooperation.


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    The short answer is no.

    The pre-moderation isn't to teach you how to post, it's to combat spam. 99% of new registrants are here to spam these boards and drop links to their sites. Maybe more than 99%, in the last 24 hours we've probably had more than 100 new registrants. Most of them are not even people, they're bots.

    Us not having new members' posts go public immediately on posting works as a major disincentive for spammers to play their games here.

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    I am just new and registered few mins ago, i can not even edit my profile yet. I do appreciate the idea of battling spam but would wish to get more information"s what is allowed as new member and when restriction might have dropped. So far i read that no links for the first few posts would be a great start so no link here I Got that.

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    It's not a question of links or not. Even if the restriction for the first posting is lifted, you are not allowed to write what you want. Moderators read all the postings within this Forum and users who doesn't comply with Forum rules may be warned or banned forever.

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    klausius, from running various forums I've realised there are two types of members.

    The "good" members registering on this site register to ask questions about Knoppix, to answer questions about Knoppix, to take part in discussion.

    The other type of member who registers is registering to drop links to their site in posts, to try to sell stuff, to create links to their own sites in their profile (for "SEO" reasons) and to play all kinds of other games. We are not interested in those members. Some of these people are hired by SEO companies to sign up at forums just to create profiles.

    A member of the first type who registers and demonstrates he is of the first type - here for on-topic discussion - will find that he acquires the ability to modify his profile etc. In due course. For security reasons, and to frustrate the second type of member, we don't disclose exactly how many posts or how many days a member needs to wait to acquire those privileges ...or what other criteria we use.

    I welcome you to these boards and I hope you turn out to be the first type.

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    If you help someone in a thread by making a link to a page on Klaus Knopper's site or to a Wikipedia page I can't see a mod banning you even if it's your first post.

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    I just registered and this thread is my first reading. I shuddered at the stern advice to read the FAQ, due to wanting to avoid a college education class to ask why my new Knoppix CD don't work. But, I clicked this thread first. And it makes Huge Sense to me as the first reading of the site. I suggest it be offered, up-front, and maybe tittled...."The Doorman Speaks." Now, I must go read the FAG and look where I can ask why my new Knoppix CD gits, "LZMA" error trying to boot up on my AT machine.

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    Please have a look at Cheatcodes and test the integrity of your download with "md5sum" and of the burned CD with the cheatcode
    Code:
    knoppix testcd
    If you get no errors tell us more about your machine; for a modern Linux like Knoppix you need at least 500MB RAM - better is 1-2 GB.
    Last edited by Werner P. Schulz; 06-07-2014 at 07:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werner P. Schulz View Post
    Please have a look at Cheatcodes and test the integrity of your download with ...........

    ....; for a modern Linux like Knoppix you need at least 500MB RAM - better is 1-2 GB.
    First, I did not mean to imply that I did any download. I said...My new CD. This is because I bought the CD from SourceForge, to be delivered. And it boots on WinXP but my interest is a non-booting AT machine w/Win98, 756MB RAM. I am a Windows user who is looking for the Alternative. I bought the CD because of all the wild claims from the development team about fitting and working on older computers. But I see you personally incourage newer hardware. I think you call mine from the "Last Century". Oh-well.
    ...... I did read the cheat codes and tried a few before signing up on this forum. Trouble was...too little info about each code and how to use them.

    To continue.......where I can ask why my new Knoppix CD gits, "LZMA" error trying to boot up on my AT machine?
    Thank you

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    I bought the CD from SourceForge, to be delivered. And it boots on WinXP ..
    What about this? I suppose, your CD is a mishmash CD, not an origin Knoppix CD. You may ask SourgeForge why you cannot use this CD.

    To work with Knoppix DVD, please download from the Mirrors and burn it yourself. Test the burned DVD with "knoppix testcd".

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    I moderated this site heavily in the days before new members posts were moderated before being approved. This change has been a huge help, not just for the moderators but for all users. I used to see all kinds of problem, including imbedded porn images and links to malware and other infections. The problems were so bad that I had software on my personal systems that would check the board for new posts every few minutes and alert me so that I could get this type of material removed quickly.

    If new members are frustrated that they can't post and immediately get an answer to their question, just ask yourself if the problem that you are posting about is something that hasn't been asked and answered over and over again. Perhaps doing a simpler search for an answer or reading a FAQ would get you your answer quicker, and you might learn other useful things about Knoppix at the same time. I never thought about it before, but maybe the moderation delay for new members is also helping limit the number of posts of the type that say "I'm not going to put the effort into reading the instructions, just tell how to ...".

    I would suggest that anyone not happy about the new member moderation delay get over it. You shouldn't expect a quick concise response in less time than it would take to read the instructions, and it may be good that the first posts are slowed by moderation. But the moderation is pretty fast on this site (I've been finding fewer and fewer posts to moderate myself as the other moderators get to most before I ever catch them, none again today) and there is very little legitimacy in complaints about it. And the alternative would be so much junk posted that the person that just might help you is discouraged from wading through it all to find your request.

    Understand too that the people most likely to help you with any legitimate problem are not slowed down at all by this feature. The moderators are the active members that solve many (if not most) problems. And they can see your post immediately, even if the general public can't. And the moderation features forces it to their attention and forces it to be read, so it will not be ignored even if it has a title that a moderator would overlook because it looks like other posts he has seen, imparts no real information, or is simply about a subject that the moderator isn't interested in. The moderation delay may get you your answer faster and from someone less likely to give bad information.

    As to links, I would like to see them disallowed completely. There is too much potential for abuse, including completely changing the target of the link after moderation. Whenever I see a link, even if it looks legitimate, it is a red flag to me to pay extra attention to the post, and track down just who this new member is, what other sites he posts on, check for spam history on his IP address as well as his email address, and so on. Complaining about not being able to post links makes the flag even redder.
    Last edited by Harry Kuhman; 06-25-2014 at 05:57 PM. Reason: added info
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    Verifying of md5 checksum and burning a CD at slow speed are important.

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