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    FourTrackMind,

    I don't think this was a "debate", nor do I think you two were in the "arguement", on this subject. What I think is that "programmers" know things "you do", and things "you don't do", and that a musician knows the "do's and don'ts" - each from their own world - so to speak...

    Let me see if I can explain a "programmers" view-point, in a "musicians" view-point...

    (1) Since the "landmark" ruleing from Microsoft vs Apple - judgement was for Microsoft, on the grounds that you can not copyright a "look and feel" kind of thing - Microsoft was accused of, in which they DID, steal the idea of Mac OS, in their own Windows OS. Unfortunately, as it was, Apple had "stollen" the idea of the Mac OS from Xerox, but that is a different story... Thus, no one can "protect" a "look and feel", it is currently done at the "code" level, as far as I know. That means, if you want to "protect" a program, or a OS, you send in "reams" of code to have it copyrighted. As far as I know, any part of that code is NOW protected.

    (2) Later on, when IBM released the OS/2 operating system, to avoid being hit with a lawsuit from Microsoft, IBM chose to use a "shredder" instead of a "trashcan", just in case - or so I heard.

    (3) If you ever look at the "legal notice" that is used to seal a cdrom in, or the check box when you fire up a program that you need to "Accept" these terms. If you read through, most of them, it will state that the copyright includes "not reverse engineering" the software. This "term" is used to protect the code. Someone can get an editor, look at the actual binary, or hex, or octal, code, change a little of it, and then - illegally - re-release a new product.

    Now, the explaination in a musicians terminology:

    The way the software world works, and why such a big paranoia on this subject/thread, is, if you as a musician, HIRE someone to play background to your song, and it is released... You could have a lawsuit on your hands from any band, or performer, the person you hired to play background for you, was ever in. Even if the person you hired has nothing to do with colaboration, or any input in your song as far as its writting, sound, tempo, etc... Just the mere fact that they worked on someone elses music, has "tainted" your music, and thus, your music "could" be "based" on these other peoples music - even if it doesn't sound like it, look like it, or even play like it.

    Take into another issue: Lawsuits. If your "record" company was just a small, backroom type, production company, of maybe $5,000 annual, and the other "record" company that is going to go up against you has, say, millions, could you stay in court, with all the fees, etc... as long as the other one could? Sooner or later, the money would run out, whereas, the other company could go on, pretty much for a long, long time - they could drag the case out for years - and during that time, you would not be allowed to sell your product, and quite possibly, your record company may get additional lawsuits on the grounds that "if you did it with this artist, you might have ALSO done it with any artist that is on your label".

    The software world is more in its infantcy compared to the music industry - and then think about the music world just starting to see the "power" of downloading songs, and personal computer duplicating. The software world is "trying" to protect what it creates, but has a lot fewer ways of being able to do that, considering reverse engineering, and that, just maybe, a couple of "notes" get into the same pattern as someone elses, and a lawsuit begins thinking that the "whole" package must have been copied/duplicated.

    I hope this helps, if not, it "ain't" my first useless post
    Cuddles

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    I just want to see the comments that were included, can someone who looked at it (and might still have the code) give me a copy or link to the comments. I heard that the chick from Wired was laffing her buttox off. I want to leave coding open as an option in my life, but don't want M$ on my butt. If you have it can you give it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zentu
    I just want to see the comments that were included, can someone who looked at it (and might still have the code) give me a copy or link to the comments. I heard that the chick from Wired was laffing her buttox off. I want to leave coding open as an option in my life, but don't want M$ on my butt. If you have it can you give it...
    There were two stories on slashdot about the leaked code; you'll find most of the funny stuff in the comments! As I said, I did a wipe -r ./mssource but well, It's still available on edonkey, gnutella, kazaa, freenet etc.

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    Swear words in open sorce.

    Do not use any swear words in your sorce or MS may give you a nice law suite

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    i did not have sex with that women
    worked (sort of ) for bill clinton
    the 98se code would have been more fun for a play toy , not that i'm a coder.
    but i did not look at the code or down load it ( 56k connection) though i must admit it is pretty phunny,after all there are some rumors that link bill and code theft that have been around for years ( so i hear)
    though i am not realy writing this post and if i was it would only be my personal impression and in noway would it be either a direct acusation or an admitance of any liability whatsoever in fact i am not even a forum member and i do not have any access to the web or computers!
    btw what is a p.c.???????? & who is this bill fellow that it is rumored that people reffer to in veiled and obscured ways?

    this is a fictional work and any similarity to people alive or dead is compleatlycoincidental and i didnt do it anyways.

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