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  1. #11
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    ive always used windows never even really noticed the worms viruses trojans and major security problems(untill a year ago). im 19 now been using windows since i was young(12? cant remember) never even knew what linux was. but i started getting intrested in computer security which is really what brang me to linux. there are so many differnt reasons why i like linux one of the main reasons is because its powerfull everything down to the shell. i have other reason such as its free and open source which really is one of the best things about linux. because linux is free it allows people to do as they please with it even create there own varients which helps to create a much more powerfull os. this is really why i will try and put as much back into linux as i have gotten out of it.

    remember to register as a linux user http://counter.li.org/

    i forgot to add one of the things i dont like about windows (only since i started using linux) is that it dominates the market for computer hardware. ie most laptops hardware is designed to only be used on windows. same with wireless cards and some modems. i dont know how they manage to do this but im guessing they pay of alot of vendors to only make things for windows.

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    To get a better directory listing like you would under DOS, just type:
    vdir

    Sameple output:
    Code:
    ken@ken1:~$ vdir
    total 15556
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         41286 Sep  7 13:31 182Viva0016.jpg
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         42303 Sep  7 13:36 1879BaySkiff024.jpg
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         32840 Sep  7 13:49 203Vanq0002.jpg
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         30229 Sep  7 13:51 232Vinc0010.jpg
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         29315 Sep  7 13:54 DL2420008.jpg
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken         39583 Sep  7 13:57 DL242REAR006.jpg
    drwxr-xr-x    3 ken      ken          4096 Feb 11 08:36 Desktop
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Sep 15 11:32 Incomplete
    lrwxrwxrwx    1 ken      ken            14 Jul 19  2004 Ken -> /mnt/flash/Ken
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Jul  2  2004 LimeWire
    lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           23 Jul 16  2004 My\ Documents -> /mnt/flash/My\ Documents
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Sep 15 11:28 Shared
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Oct 13 09:53 Win32
    drwxr-xr-x    3 ken      ken          4096 Jan 17 08:51 azureus
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken       8034388 Feb  1 15:27 dl242.zip
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken          9668 Aug 12  2003 logo\ -\ VIP\ Black\ 3D.tif
    -rw-r--r--    1 ken      ken        236779 Aug 12  2003 logo\ -\ VIP\ Blue.tif
    drwxr-xr-x    5 ken      ken          4096 Sep 30 15:35 mnt
    drwxr-xr-x    3 ken      ken          4096 Jul 13  2004 mozilla-installer
    drwxr-xr-x    5 ken      ken          4096 Feb  7 15:54 office
    -rw-------    1 ken      ken       4678778 Jul 30  2004 qemu-0.6.0-i386.tar.gz
    -rw-------    1 ken      ken       2649661 Jul 30  2004 qemu-gnemul-0.5.1.tar.gz
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Feb 11 08:29 seti
    drwxr-xr-x    2 ken      ken          4096 Feb  2 08:35 tmp
    ken@ken1:~$
    Here is something else that might come in very handy... Suppose you have two computers on a network. You want to transfer some files from one machine to another...

    With write access on the recieving machine and within the target location, type:

    ifconfig

    Note the address (like in my case 192.168.0.13) then type:
    Code:
    nc -l -p 1234 | tar -xvvz
    This will make the recieving machine go into listen mode for receive files. (port 1234)

    Then on the sending machine and at the target location, type:
    Code:
    tar -cvvz * | nc -w 3 192.168.0.13 1234
    That makes the two knoppix booted computers send over a bunch of files. If you only want to send a file or a few files, change the wildcard character "*" to the actual file or some combination of characters and wildcards.

    Both computers return to the command line when done.

    I know it looks complicated, but it really isn't. Also you can use a modified receiving command to save a "backup" of the source files into something like:
    Code:
    nc -l -p 1234 > my_backup.tar.zip
    That would have the source machine tar up and zip compress the files, then save the compressed file to another machine.

    Now, let's say you want to do a restore to a machine connected over the network. And let's say that tarred zip file resides on the backup machine.

    Use something like this on the recieving machine:
    Code:
    nc -l -p 1234 | tar -x | tar -xvvz
    And on the sending machine:
    Code:
    tar -cvv my_backup.tar.zip | nc -w 3 192.168.0.13 1234
    Knoppix just kicks ass.

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    Bothersome,

    Nice work on the networking part, I just use nfs - I made simple bash scripts to start, and stop the network connections, but, this is a nother way

    As for the vdir command, I take it, it has command line options, like ls - because I couldnt help but notice, your output listing didnt have any dot files, and most /home folders have a lot of these in them... Doing just a ls command will get you the same output as you posted, and by adding -la to the end of this command, will dump out "every" file and folder...

    Heres an example:
    Code:
    cuddles@morpheus:~$ cd $HOME
    cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls
    Audacity-cuddles  Desktop  RealEasy           faxin   faxsent         none  tmp
    CDs               Mail     TransGaming_Drive  faxout  kanotixinstall  pctv
    cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls -l
    total 18
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles    4 Mar 13  2004 Audacity-cuddles
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    4 Jan 30 14:40 CDs
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles   19 Jan 19 02:28 Desktop
    drwxr-xr-x  13 cuddles cuddles   32 Feb 12 09:36 Mail
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles 8014 May  2  2004 RealEasy
    lrwxrwxrwx   1 cuddles cuddles   50 Dec 10 21:08 TransGaming_Drive -> /home/cuddles/.point2play_timedemo/.extras/c_drive
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    3 Dec 10 21:08 faxin
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles    2 Dec 10 21:08 faxout
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    3 Dec 10 21:08 faxsent
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles 2521 Dec 10 13:19 kanotixinstall
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles    2 Dec 10 13:12 none
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    3 Oct 14 19:00 pctv
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles    2 Jan  2 15:25 tmp
    cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls -la
    total 417
    drwxr-xr-x  81 cuddles cuddles   154 Feb 12 09:35 .
    drwxrwsr-x   6 root    staff       5 Jan  7 12:58 ..
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    83 Nov  1 07:40 .BillardGL.conf.v7
    lrwxrwxrwx   1 cuddles cuddles    36 Dec 10 13:57 .DCOPserver_Kanotix_:0 -> /home/knoppix/.DCOPserver_Kanotix__0
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    54 Dec 10 13:06 .DCOPserver_Kanotix__0
    lrwxrwxrwx   1 cuddles cuddles    37 Dec 10 21:08 .DCOPserver_Morpheus_:0 -> /home/cuddles/.DCOPserver_Morpheus__0
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    55 Dec  9 10:24 .DCOPserver_Morpheus__0
    lrwxrwxrwx   1 cuddles cuddles    37 Feb  6 17:26 .DCOPserver_morpheus_:0 -> /home/cuddles/.DCOPserver_morpheus__0
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    55 Feb  6 17:26 .DCOPserver_morpheus__0
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles   577 Feb  6 17:26 .ICEauthority
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     5 Dec 10 21:08 .Lin-city
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 24 11:34 .LinNeighborhood
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles   155 Feb  6 17:26 .Xauthority
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   893 Feb 27  2000 .Xdefaults
    drwx------   4 cuddles cuddles    16 Feb  5 21:05 .aMule
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     7 Dec 10 21:08 .abuse
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    73 Apr 20  2004 .acrorc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .alsaplayer
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .amph
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .aptitude
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .armagetron
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   199 Aug 22 12:19 .asoundrc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   143 Jul  8  2004 .aumixrc
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles  5778 Feb  6 17:26 .bash_history
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    57 May  3  2004 .bashrc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   113 May  2  2004 .bugsquish
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles     0 Mar 24  2004 .cd-circleprint.conf
    drwxr-xr-x   7 cuddles cuddles     9 Jan 30 13:48 .cddb
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   242 Dec 15 10:29 .chromium
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  3800 Dec 15 10:29 .chromium-score
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   305 Feb  4 17:59 .circuslinuxrc
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .config
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     9 Dec 10 21:08 .crack-attack
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   199 May 20  2004 .cuyo
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Oct 15 05:49 .czap
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    50 May 25  2004 .defendguinrc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  2230 Jan  1 20:47 .dingrc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1524 Dec 11 11:14 .directory
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles    22 Oct  4 09:31 .dmrc
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     8 Dec 10 21:08 .dosemu
    drwxr-xr-x  74 cuddles cuddles    74 Feb  6 17:11 .dvdcss
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  3082 Feb  5 21:05 .eMule
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .emilia
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   553 Oct 24 23:11 .enigmarc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  3504 Nov 24 22:14 .fbhighlevelshistory
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1759 Nov 24 22:14 .fbhighscores
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .fblevels
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   545 Nov 24 21:48 .fbrc
    drwxr-xr-x   5 cuddles cuddles     5 Dec 10 21:08 .fillets-ng
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 13:06 .firefox
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles 98270 Dec 12 11:36 .fonts.cache-1
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     5 Feb 12 09:36 .gconf
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Feb 12 09:36 .gconfd
    drwxr-xr-x  21 cuddles cuddles    32 Dec 10 21:08 .gimp-2.0
    drwxr-xr-x   5 cuddles cuddles     9 Dec 10 21:08 .gkrellm2
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     9 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome-desktop
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome2
    drwx------   2 cuddles cuddles     2 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome2_private
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     2 Dec 10 13:06 .gnome_private
    drwx------   2 cuddles cuddles     5 Feb 12 09:35 .gnupg
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1498 Jan  2 17:02 .grip
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    94 Jan  2 17:02 .grip-oggenc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    30 Oct  7 08:30 .groundhog.highscore
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .gtans
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   672 Jul  6  2004 .icebreaker
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .java
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     7 Dec 10 21:08 .kaffeine
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     7 Feb  6 21:38 .kaxtv
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   120 Aug 23 09:10 .kbackrc
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles    16 Dec 11 11:14 .kde
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   388 Sep 28 09:03 .kderc
    -rwx------   1 cuddles cuddles  8360 May  4  2004 .klik
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    20 Apr 22  2004 .koules-levels
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .kq
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .lgames
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     6 Dec 10 21:08 .lincity
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   756 Nov  1 07:53 .lincityrc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     5 Nov 19  2003 .links
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .local
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   222 Jan  1 11:51 .lpoptions
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .macromedia
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  2269 Jul 19  2004 .mailcap
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .mangoquest
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     7 Dec 10 21:08 .mc
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .mcop
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles    31 Jan  2 20:58 .mcoprc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   635 Jul 19  2004 .mime.types
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     6 Dec 10 21:08 .mirrormagic
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   126 Feb  4 19:11 .monster-masher
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     6 Dec 10 21:08 .mozilla
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles  1113 Aug 23  2001 .nessus.keys
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   752 Dec 16  1999 .nessusrc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     6 Dec 10 21:08 .neverball
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1012 Aug 23 00:05 .neverballhs-easy
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   182 May 29  2004 .neverballhs-hard
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   191 May 29  2004 .neverballhs-mym
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   190 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballhs-putt
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   287 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballrc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles 88997 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballrp
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .openoffice
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles     0 Jul 19  2004 .padminrc
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Feb  9 11:28 .parallelrealities
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   166 May 29  2004 .penguin-command
    drwxr-xr-x  10 cuddles cuddles    10 Dec 10 21:08 .pingus
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .point2play_timedemo
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   473 Dec  9 18:22 .point2play_timedemorc
    drwx------   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 16 12:05 .pppstatus
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles    11 Feb  6 17:26 .qt
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1604 Feb  4 10:32 .recently-used
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .rezound
    drwxr-xr-x   5 cuddles cuddles     7 Dec 10 21:08 .rocksndiamonds
    drwx------   2 cuddles cuddles     6 Feb 12 09:38 .spamassassin
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     5 Dec 10 21:08 .supertux
    -rwxr-xr-x   1 cuddles cuddles    72 Oct  6 00:23 .sversionrc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     5 Oct 15 05:49 .szap
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     5 Oct 15 05:49 .tecla
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .thumbnails
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .trackballs
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .transgaming_global
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    43 Apr 29  2004 .tux_aqfh_rc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles    34 Feb  4 18:05 .tuxpuckrc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     4 Dec 10 21:08 .tuxracer
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Oct 15 05:49 .tzap
    drwxr-xr-x   7 cuddles cuddles    12 Dec 10 21:08 .vegastrike
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles  2900 Dec 18 19:23 .viminfo
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     8 Dec 10 21:08 .wine
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles     5 Jul  2  2004 .wmrc
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .xbl-scores
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   684 May 23  2004 .xboing-scores
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    20 Feb  8 13:08 .xchat2
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Nov 19  2003 .xfce4
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  1042 Feb  8  2003 .xfwm4rc
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   280 Feb  4 17:47 .xgalscores
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     6 Dec 10 21:08 .xine
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   120 Apr 22  2004 .xkoules-controls
    drwxr-xr-x   4 cuddles cuddles     7 Jan 12 09:30 .xmms
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles 10989 Feb  3 23:36 .xscreensaver
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles 78025 Feb 12 09:38 .xsession-errors
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles   156 Aug 18 11:49 .xskat.opt
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 .xwelltris
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles     4 Mar 13  2004 Audacity-cuddles
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     4 Jan 30 14:40 CDs
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles    19 Jan 19 02:28 Desktop
    drwxr-xr-x  13 cuddles cuddles    32 Feb 12 09:36 Mail
    -rw-------   1 cuddles cuddles  8014 May  2  2004 RealEasy
    lrwxrwxrwx   1 cuddles cuddles    50 Dec 10 21:08 TransGaming_Drive -> /home/cuddles/.point2play_timedemo/.extras/c_drive
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 faxin
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     2 Dec 10 21:08 faxout
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Dec 10 21:08 faxsent
    -rw-r--r--   1 cuddles cuddles  2521 Dec 10 13:19 kanotixinstall
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     2 Dec 10 13:12 none
    drwxr-xr-x   3 cuddles cuddles     3 Oct 14 19:00 pctv
    drwxr-xr-x   2 cuddles cuddles     2 Jan  2 15:25 tmp
    cuddles@morpheus:~$
    So you have vdir, but, also the Linux "standard" ls as well

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    Let me first say that I want to be a linux convert, but I probably won't be anytime soon.

    Like alot of the folks who've already posted, I've worked with DOS/Windows since the early 80's and have become completely disgusted with Windoze XP. I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed.

    So no, I'm no fan of XP. But after 2 months playing with Linux, I've got to come clean and tell you that it isn't exactly OS nirvana either. In my opinion the problems with Linux are:

    1. Crappy hardware support. Just check the forums, they are plagued by thousands of hardware problems. I've got a built in HSF WinModem, Epson Stylus printer, and external USB/Firewire hard drive. Not one of the dozen or so Linux distros I tried installed any of these peripherals. And these aren't exactly "one of a kind" hardware, they're about the most common peripherals out there. In order to get them to work usually requires compiling your own drivers or at the very least manually installing dozens of files, which leads me to Linux's next big weakness...

    2. Software installation sucks. Yeah, there's Klik, Synaptic, apt-get, and others, but that requires a modem connection through Linux. What if what you're trying to do is install software without a Linux modem connection? I just recently installed "Audacity" on my Ubuntu installation. Over 20 separate "dependencies" had to be individually found, downloaded, transferred, "dpkg" and installed. Jeez... the Windoze version is a -single- archive, why can't Linux be as simple? Half the time, there isn't a binary for whatever distro you're using, so you have to compile your own... just the word "compile" is enough to scare away 99% of the computer users out there...

    3. Horrible documentation. For the vast majority of the distros out there, finding out how to install something means Google the web for a past forum thread and hopefully someone else has run into the same problem. But why don't more distros have -complete- and -thorough- FAQ's and HOW TO's that include all the major things that newbies ask? There is also a definite shortage of good books on Linux. I just borrowed 4 books from the library (their entire Linux collection) and 3 of the 4 were basically installation guides, and incomplete ones at that.

    What bothers me most is that this needn't be the case. I think collectively, all the Linux distros prove this, but individually they all fall short. Where one is better in one area, it lacks in an other.

    I think Steve Jobs' OS X is a real contender because of this. Take the stability and security of Unix / Linux and add rock solit hardware support, great documentation and idiot proof software installs. With all the human effort and brainpower behind Linux, there isn't any reason why Linux can't be as good or even better.

    Beleive me, I really want to be a Linux convert. But Linux just seems like a never ending beta test and at some point I have to stop playing with the OS and actually do something productive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkahuna
    I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed........
    Is you xp system connected to the Interner without the benefit of a hardware firewall after doing a new install (such as a DSL/cable router)? There are plenty of reports of such newly installed xp systems going down in even less time, and virtually no one can be on-line long enough to get the security updates after doing a fresh install without some hacker finding them and infecting them before they can get the updates. If you use windows and you don't use a hardware firewall (not that bad joke of a firewall in xp) then you are part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Kuhman
    Quote Originally Posted by bigkahuna
    I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed........
    Is you xp system connected to the Interner without the benefit of a hardware firewall after doing a new install (such as a DSL/cable router)? There are plenty of reports of such newly installed xp systems going down in even less time, and virtually no one can be on-line long enough to get the security updates after doing a fresh install without some hacker finding them and infecting them before they can get the updates. If you use windows and you don't use a hardware firewall (not that bad joke of a firewall in xp) then you are part of the problem.
    Yeah, don't you just luv Windoz? I don't have a fast internet connection, just a dial up on a dual boot Sony Vaio notebook. I bought a copy of the SP2 update on CD just so I wouldn't have the problem you're talking about. I think my XP problem is related to something wierd in the Sony version of Internet Exporer, Messenger and Support.com that is included on their systems (and restore CD's). It's been a problem since the day I bought the system, and only goes away when I shut these three down and replace with Firefox and Thunderbird.

    I know my rant sounds like a big "dis" on Linux, but it really isn't meant to be. If I had the time, skills and money I'd set out to create my own distro and include the things that most Linux distros lack... but isn't that kinda what Jobs did? The big down side for OS X is that it only runs on PPC hardware. If it ran on '086 boxes, Billy boy Gates would be shaking in his boots Yeah I know about PearPC and I've heard the rumours that they plan on adding support for intel machines, but Linux is so close to being the clear solution right now. It's just dissappointing.

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    actually you can buy Debian CD's (marginal cost) with most of what you want and use apt-cdrom to install from them.
    To make things interesting You could probably arange for the programs not on those CD's to be burnt on a cd, with necesary dependencies, by some kind person.
    I have done similar things myself to less fortunate friends with bad and/or slow modem lines.

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    bigkahuna,

    I know, sometimes, even I, can sound like Linux is the most perfect, nothing is wrong with it, and, quite possibly, Linux, could either walk on water or be the next incarnation of God, and many, are still having problems with it...

    I finally got a "pesky" WinModem ( an LT Modem ) to work, flawlessly, with Kanotix... and, all my other systems, I have purchased them with the "explicit" knowledge of "what works with Linux"... and I have had success. This "usually" requires buying a motherboard with either nothing built-in, or on it, and buying PCI, or AGP, cards, to handle the video and audio, and using a external seriel fax / modem. Currently, my "winning" combination, is a NVidia video card, a Sound Blaster sound card, and a "cheap" 56k fax / modem that attaches with a 9-pin seriel cable. I have run this hardware with both Knoppix and Kanotix, and other than having to "compile" my video drivers into the kernel, this combination works - out-of-the-box ( so, to speak ).

    To get things to "work" with Linux, hardware wise, usually requires not buying the "newest" or the "greatest" hardware on the market. A lot of times, its not the newest issue, its if the drivers have support, are popular, and, mostly, if the source is "open" and available, for someone to create "linux" versions of the hardware. What usually messes this all up, is, if its some sort of "propietary" thing... Like NTFS... ( or a WinModem )

    Linux, can almost, seem like its the saviour, or the messiah, and yet, it does have its down-sides... I cant seem to run some games, "explicitly" programmed for Windows, and Cedega wont give me any information on if it will run, if I buy, the "full version", beforehand. Some games, are just not available for Debian, Linux, and not able to get them with apt-get.

    But, Linux has its good points. I just bought a 3 GHz AMD64, and even Windows cant handle using 64 bit in there OS yet, but Kanotix can. I bought 1 GB of RAM ( DDR ), an external fax / modem, another NVidia video card, and a Sound Blaster Pro - Live - for sound. I will migrate the ethernet card in my old system, it works perfectly in Linux, into the new system, and I dont expect any hardware problems. I dont think you can buy a motherboard without sound on it anymore, but, that is easily disabled in the BIOS. Video, audio, and possibly, network, may not be that easy, and when purchasing a motherboard for use in Linux, you need to consider that "it might not work". But, thats why people who run Linux, are a different "breed" of "computer people". You just dont buy something, you research it first. You check its support, you check if its got issues, in Linux, you check if anyone else has one running, etc... Then you buy.

    Linux is not Windows. Windows, you can walk down the computer hardware aisle, and buy anything, almost willy-nilly, and it will probably work in Windows. This isnt the same in Linux. You have to be more selective, or do some research, before you purchase. Linux is not for people who need "instant gratification", or have issues with "impulse buying" - unless, you give in to the idea, what you just bought, might not work.

    Just my 2 cents worth,
    Ms. Cuddles

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    Your points are well taken, Ms. Cuddles. I think we're both saying the same thing, just from different perspectives. Incidently, I don't consider myself a Windoze guy by any means. I started in PC's with an Apple II, and have owned and worked with Mac's, PC's, Amiga's and SparcStations over the past 30 some years. In fact, I don't remember ever being as dissappointed or as frustrated with an OS as I have been with XP, and there have been some doozie OS's in the past...

    On a more positive note, four of the most exciting new developments in the computer industry (at least from my perspective): Live CD's, Wine, PearPC and Open Source are all Linux based developments. The whole concept of "Open Source Development" is a huge breath of fresh air for an industry and technology that has become stiffled by greed. Live CD's are something neither M$oft or Apple are able to do, and the list of possible uses are just starting to be realized. And PearPC and Wine are just plain COOL.

    No, I'm no Windoze guy, just a frustrated Linux wan-a-bee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkahuna
    2. Software installation sucks. Yeah, there's Klik,
    klik actually solves this: Simply klik an application on a machine with Internet access and copy over the resulting cmg file to the machine without Internet access - it's really that simple.

    Greetings,
    probono

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