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ive always used windows never even really noticed the worms viruses trojans and major security problems(untill a year ago). im 19 now been using windows since i was young(12? cant remember) never even knew what linux was. but i started getting intrested in computer security which is really what brang me to linux. there are so many differnt reasons why i like linux one of the main reasons is because its powerfull everything down to the shell. i have other reason such as its free and open source which really is one of the best things about linux. because linux is free it allows people to do as they please with it even create there own varients which helps to create a much more powerfull os. this is really why i will try and put as much back into linux as i have gotten out of it.
remember to register as a linux user http://counter.li.org/
i forgot to add one of the things i dont like about windows (only since i started using linux) is that it dominates the market for computer hardware. ie most laptops hardware is designed to only be used on windows. same with wireless cards and some modems. i dont know how they manage to do this but im guessing they pay of alot of vendors to only make things for windows.
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To get a better directory listing like you would under DOS, just type:
vdir
Sameple output:
Code:
ken@ken1:~$ vdir
total 15556
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 41286 Sep 7 13:31 182Viva0016.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 42303 Sep 7 13:36 1879BaySkiff024.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 32840 Sep 7 13:49 203Vanq0002.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 30229 Sep 7 13:51 232Vinc0010.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 29315 Sep 7 13:54 DL2420008.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 39583 Sep 7 13:57 DL242REAR006.jpg
drwxr-xr-x 3 ken ken 4096 Feb 11 08:36 Desktop
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Sep 15 11:32 Incomplete
lrwxrwxrwx 1 ken ken 14 Jul 19 2004 Ken -> /mnt/flash/Ken
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Jul 2 2004 LimeWire
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jul 16 2004 My\ Documents -> /mnt/flash/My\ Documents
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Sep 15 11:28 Shared
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Oct 13 09:53 Win32
drwxr-xr-x 3 ken ken 4096 Jan 17 08:51 azureus
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 8034388 Feb 1 15:27 dl242.zip
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 9668 Aug 12 2003 logo\ -\ VIP\ Black\ 3D.tif
-rw-r--r-- 1 ken ken 236779 Aug 12 2003 logo\ -\ VIP\ Blue.tif
drwxr-xr-x 5 ken ken 4096 Sep 30 15:35 mnt
drwxr-xr-x 3 ken ken 4096 Jul 13 2004 mozilla-installer
drwxr-xr-x 5 ken ken 4096 Feb 7 15:54 office
-rw------- 1 ken ken 4678778 Jul 30 2004 qemu-0.6.0-i386.tar.gz
-rw------- 1 ken ken 2649661 Jul 30 2004 qemu-gnemul-0.5.1.tar.gz
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Feb 11 08:29 seti
drwxr-xr-x 2 ken ken 4096 Feb 2 08:35 tmp
ken@ken1:~$
Here is something else that might come in very handy... Suppose you have two computers on a network. You want to transfer some files from one machine to another...
With write access on the recieving machine and within the target location, type:
ifconfig
Note the address (like in my case 192.168.0.13) then type:
Code:
nc -l -p 1234 | tar -xvvz
This will make the recieving machine go into listen mode for receive files. (port 1234)
Then on the sending machine and at the target location, type:
Code:
tar -cvvz * | nc -w 3 192.168.0.13 1234
That makes the two knoppix booted computers send over a bunch of files. If you only want to send a file or a few files, change the wildcard character "*" to the actual file or some combination of characters and wildcards.
Both computers return to the command line when done.
I know it looks complicated, but it really isn't. Also you can use a modified receiving command to save a "backup" of the source files into something like:
Code:
nc -l -p 1234 > my_backup.tar.zip
That would have the source machine tar up and zip compress the files, then save the compressed file to another machine.
Now, let's say you want to do a restore to a machine connected over the network. And let's say that tarred zip file resides on the backup machine.
Use something like this on the recieving machine:
Code:
nc -l -p 1234 | tar -x | tar -xvvz
And on the sending machine:
Code:
tar -cvv my_backup.tar.zip | nc -w 3 192.168.0.13 1234
Knoppix just kicks ass.
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Bothersome,
Nice work on the networking part, I just use nfs - I made simple bash scripts to start, and stop the network connections, but, this is a nother way
As for the vdir command, I take it, it has command line options, like ls - because I couldnt help but notice, your output listing didnt have any dot files, and most /home folders have a lot of these in them... Doing just a ls command will get you the same output as you posted, and by adding -la to the end of this command, will dump out "every" file and folder...
Heres an example:
Code:
cuddles@morpheus:~$ cd $HOME
cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls
Audacity-cuddles Desktop RealEasy faxin faxsent none tmp
CDs Mail TransGaming_Drive faxout kanotixinstall pctv
cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls -l
total 18
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 4 Mar 13 2004 Audacity-cuddles
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 4 Jan 30 14:40 CDs
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 19 Jan 19 02:28 Desktop
drwxr-xr-x 13 cuddles cuddles 32 Feb 12 09:36 Mail
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 8014 May 2 2004 RealEasy
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cuddles cuddles 50 Dec 10 21:08 TransGaming_Drive -> /home/cuddles/.point2play_timedemo/.extras/c_drive
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 faxin
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 21:08 faxout
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 faxsent
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 2521 Dec 10 13:19 kanotixinstall
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 13:12 none
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Oct 14 19:00 pctv
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Jan 2 15:25 tmp
cuddles@morpheus:~$ ls -la
total 417
drwxr-xr-x 81 cuddles cuddles 154 Feb 12 09:35 .
drwxrwsr-x 6 root staff 5 Jan 7 12:58 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 83 Nov 1 07:40 .BillardGL.conf.v7
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cuddles cuddles 36 Dec 10 13:57 .DCOPserver_Kanotix_:0 -> /home/knoppix/.DCOPserver_Kanotix__0
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 54 Dec 10 13:06 .DCOPserver_Kanotix__0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cuddles cuddles 37 Dec 10 21:08 .DCOPserver_Morpheus_:0 -> /home/cuddles/.DCOPserver_Morpheus__0
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 55 Dec 9 10:24 .DCOPserver_Morpheus__0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cuddles cuddles 37 Feb 6 17:26 .DCOPserver_morpheus_:0 -> /home/cuddles/.DCOPserver_morpheus__0
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 55 Feb 6 17:26 .DCOPserver_morpheus__0
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 577 Feb 6 17:26 .ICEauthority
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 5 Dec 10 21:08 .Lin-city
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 24 11:34 .LinNeighborhood
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 155 Feb 6 17:26 .Xauthority
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 893 Feb 27 2000 .Xdefaults
drwx------ 4 cuddles cuddles 16 Feb 5 21:05 .aMule
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 7 Dec 10 21:08 .abuse
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 73 Apr 20 2004 .acrorc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .alsaplayer
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .amph
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .aptitude
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .armagetron
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 199 Aug 22 12:19 .asoundrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 143 Jul 8 2004 .aumixrc
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 5778 Feb 6 17:26 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 57 May 3 2004 .bashrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 113 May 2 2004 .bugsquish
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 0 Mar 24 2004 .cd-circleprint.conf
drwxr-xr-x 7 cuddles cuddles 9 Jan 30 13:48 .cddb
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 242 Dec 15 10:29 .chromium
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 3800 Dec 15 10:29 .chromium-score
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 305 Feb 4 17:59 .circuslinuxrc
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .config
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 9 Dec 10 21:08 .crack-attack
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 199 May 20 2004 .cuyo
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Oct 15 05:49 .czap
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 50 May 25 2004 .defendguinrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 2230 Jan 1 20:47 .dingrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1524 Dec 11 11:14 .directory
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 22 Oct 4 09:31 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 8 Dec 10 21:08 .dosemu
drwxr-xr-x 74 cuddles cuddles 74 Feb 6 17:11 .dvdcss
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 3082 Feb 5 21:05 .eMule
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .emilia
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 553 Oct 24 23:11 .enigmarc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 3504 Nov 24 22:14 .fbhighlevelshistory
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1759 Nov 24 22:14 .fbhighscores
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .fblevels
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 545 Nov 24 21:48 .fbrc
drwxr-xr-x 5 cuddles cuddles 5 Dec 10 21:08 .fillets-ng
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 13:06 .firefox
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 98270 Dec 12 11:36 .fonts.cache-1
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 5 Feb 12 09:36 .gconf
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Feb 12 09:36 .gconfd
drwxr-xr-x 21 cuddles cuddles 32 Dec 10 21:08 .gimp-2.0
drwxr-xr-x 5 cuddles cuddles 9 Dec 10 21:08 .gkrellm2
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 9 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome-desktop
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome2
drwx------ 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 21:08 .gnome2_private
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 13:06 .gnome_private
drwx------ 2 cuddles cuddles 5 Feb 12 09:35 .gnupg
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1498 Jan 2 17:02 .grip
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 94 Jan 2 17:02 .grip-oggenc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 30 Oct 7 08:30 .groundhog.highscore
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .gtans
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 672 Jul 6 2004 .icebreaker
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .java
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 7 Dec 10 21:08 .kaffeine
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 7 Feb 6 21:38 .kaxtv
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 120 Aug 23 09:10 .kbackrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 16 Dec 11 11:14 .kde
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 388 Sep 28 09:03 .kderc
-rwx------ 1 cuddles cuddles 8360 May 4 2004 .klik
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 20 Apr 22 2004 .koules-levels
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .kq
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .lgames
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 6 Dec 10 21:08 .lincity
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 756 Nov 1 07:53 .lincityrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 5 Nov 19 2003 .links
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .local
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 222 Jan 1 11:51 .lpoptions
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .macromedia
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 2269 Jul 19 2004 .mailcap
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .mangoquest
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 7 Dec 10 21:08 .mc
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .mcop
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 31 Jan 2 20:58 .mcoprc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 635 Jul 19 2004 .mime.types
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 6 Dec 10 21:08 .mirrormagic
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 126 Feb 4 19:11 .monster-masher
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 6 Dec 10 21:08 .mozilla
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 1113 Aug 23 2001 .nessus.keys
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 752 Dec 16 1999 .nessusrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 6 Dec 10 21:08 .neverball
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1012 Aug 23 00:05 .neverballhs-easy
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 182 May 29 2004 .neverballhs-hard
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 191 May 29 2004 .neverballhs-mym
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 190 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballhs-putt
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 287 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 88997 Aug 23 00:12 .neverballrp
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .openoffice
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 0 Jul 19 2004 .padminrc
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Feb 9 11:28 .parallelrealities
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 166 May 29 2004 .penguin-command
drwxr-xr-x 10 cuddles cuddles 10 Dec 10 21:08 .pingus
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .point2play_timedemo
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 473 Dec 9 18:22 .point2play_timedemorc
drwx------ 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 16 12:05 .pppstatus
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 11 Feb 6 17:26 .qt
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1604 Feb 4 10:32 .recently-used
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .rezound
drwxr-xr-x 5 cuddles cuddles 7 Dec 10 21:08 .rocksndiamonds
drwx------ 2 cuddles cuddles 6 Feb 12 09:38 .spamassassin
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 5 Dec 10 21:08 .supertux
-rwxr-xr-x 1 cuddles cuddles 72 Oct 6 00:23 .sversionrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 5 Oct 15 05:49 .szap
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 5 Oct 15 05:49 .tecla
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .thumbnails
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .trackballs
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .transgaming_global
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 43 Apr 29 2004 .tux_aqfh_rc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 34 Feb 4 18:05 .tuxpuckrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 4 Dec 10 21:08 .tuxracer
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Oct 15 05:49 .tzap
drwxr-xr-x 7 cuddles cuddles 12 Dec 10 21:08 .vegastrike
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 2900 Dec 18 19:23 .viminfo
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 8 Dec 10 21:08 .wine
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 5 Jul 2 2004 .wmrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .xbl-scores
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 684 May 23 2004 .xboing-scores
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 20 Feb 8 13:08 .xchat2
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Nov 19 2003 .xfce4
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 1042 Feb 8 2003 .xfwm4rc
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 280 Feb 4 17:47 .xgalscores
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 6 Dec 10 21:08 .xine
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 120 Apr 22 2004 .xkoules-controls
drwxr-xr-x 4 cuddles cuddles 7 Jan 12 09:30 .xmms
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 10989 Feb 3 23:36 .xscreensaver
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 78025 Feb 12 09:38 .xsession-errors
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 156 Aug 18 11:49 .xskat.opt
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 .xwelltris
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 4 Mar 13 2004 Audacity-cuddles
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 4 Jan 30 14:40 CDs
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 19 Jan 19 02:28 Desktop
drwxr-xr-x 13 cuddles cuddles 32 Feb 12 09:36 Mail
-rw------- 1 cuddles cuddles 8014 May 2 2004 RealEasy
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cuddles cuddles 50 Dec 10 21:08 TransGaming_Drive -> /home/cuddles/.point2play_timedemo/.extras/c_drive
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 faxin
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 21:08 faxout
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Dec 10 21:08 faxsent
-rw-r--r-- 1 cuddles cuddles 2521 Dec 10 13:19 kanotixinstall
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Dec 10 13:12 none
drwxr-xr-x 3 cuddles cuddles 3 Oct 14 19:00 pctv
drwxr-xr-x 2 cuddles cuddles 2 Jan 2 15:25 tmp
cuddles@morpheus:~$
So you have vdir, but, also the Linux "standard" ls as well
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Let me first say that I want to be a linux convert, but I probably won't be anytime soon.
Like alot of the folks who've already posted, I've worked with DOS/Windows since the early 80's and have become completely disgusted with Windoze XP. I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed.
So no, I'm no fan of XP. But after 2 months playing with Linux, I've got to come clean and tell you that it isn't exactly OS nirvana either. In my opinion the problems with Linux are:
1. Crappy hardware support. Just check the forums, they are plagued by thousands of hardware problems. I've got a built in HSF WinModem, Epson Stylus printer, and external USB/Firewire hard drive. Not one of the dozen or so Linux distros I tried installed any of these peripherals. And these aren't exactly "one of a kind" hardware, they're about the most common peripherals out there. In order to get them to work usually requires compiling your own drivers or at the very least manually installing dozens of files, which leads me to Linux's next big weakness...
2. Software installation sucks. Yeah, there's Klik, Synaptic, apt-get, and others, but that requires a modem connection through Linux. What if what you're trying to do is install software without a Linux modem connection? I just recently installed "Audacity" on my Ubuntu installation. Over 20 separate "dependencies" had to be individually found, downloaded, transferred, "dpkg" and installed. Jeez... the Windoze version is a -single- archive, why can't Linux be as simple? Half the time, there isn't a binary for whatever distro you're using, so you have to compile your own... just the word "compile" is enough to scare away 99% of the computer users out there...
3. Horrible documentation. For the vast majority of the distros out there, finding out how to install something means Google the web for a past forum thread and hopefully someone else has run into the same problem. But why don't more distros have -complete- and -thorough- FAQ's and HOW TO's that include all the major things that newbies ask? There is also a definite shortage of good books on Linux. I just borrowed 4 books from the library (their entire Linux collection) and 3 of the 4 were basically installation guides, and incomplete ones at that.
What bothers me most is that this needn't be the case. I think collectively, all the Linux distros prove this, but individually they all fall short. Where one is better in one area, it lacks in an other.
I think Steve Jobs' OS X is a real contender because of this. Take the stability and security of Unix / Linux and add rock solit hardware support, great documentation and idiot proof software installs. With all the human effort and brainpower behind Linux, there isn't any reason why Linux can't be as good or even better.
Beleive me, I really want to be a Linux convert. But Linux just seems like a never ending beta test and at some point I have to stop playing with the OS and actually do something productive...
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Originally Posted by
bigkahuna
I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed........
Is you xp system connected to the Interner without the benefit of a hardware firewall after doing a new install (such as a DSL/cable router)? There are plenty of reports of such newly installed xp systems going down in even less time, and virtually no one can be on-line long enough to get the security updates after doing a fresh install without some hacker finding them and infecting them before they can get the updates. If you use windows and you don't use a hardware firewall (not that bad joke of a firewall in xp) then you are part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by
bigkahuna
I recently had to do a "clean install" of XP because it had become so buggy, and even after that guess what XP did not 5 minutes later? Yup, you guessed it, it crashed........
Is you xp system connected to the Interner without the benefit of a hardware firewall after doing a new install (such as a DSL/cable router)? There are plenty of reports of such newly installed xp systems going down in even less time, and virtually no one can be on-line long enough to get the security updates after doing a fresh install without some hacker finding them and infecting them before they can get the updates. If you use windows and you don't use a hardware firewall (not that bad joke of a firewall in xp) then you are part of the problem.
Yeah, don't you just luv Windoz? I don't have a fast internet connection, just a dial up on a dual boot Sony Vaio notebook. I bought a copy of the SP2 update on CD just so I wouldn't have the problem you're talking about. I think my XP problem is related to something wierd in the Sony version of Internet Exporer, Messenger and Support.com that is included on their systems (and restore CD's). It's been a problem since the day I bought the system, and only goes away when I shut these three down and replace with Firefox and Thunderbird.
I know my rant sounds like a big "dis" on Linux, but it really isn't meant to be. If I had the time, skills and money I'd set out to create my own distro and include the things that most Linux distros lack... but isn't that kinda what Jobs did? The big down side for OS X is that it only runs on PPC hardware. If it ran on '086 boxes, Billy boy Gates would be shaking in his boots Yeah I know about PearPC and I've heard the rumours that they plan on adding support for intel machines, but Linux is so close to being the clear solution right now. It's just dissappointing.
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actually you can buy Debian CD's (marginal cost) with most of what you want and use apt-cdrom to install from them.
To make things interesting You could probably arange for the programs not on those CD's to be burnt on a cd, with necesary dependencies, by some kind person.
I have done similar things myself to less fortunate friends with bad and/or slow modem lines.
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bigkahuna,
I know, sometimes, even I, can sound like Linux is the most perfect, nothing is wrong with it, and, quite possibly, Linux, could either walk on water or be the next incarnation of God, and many, are still having problems with it...
I finally got a "pesky" WinModem ( an LT Modem ) to work, flawlessly, with Kanotix... and, all my other systems, I have purchased them with the "explicit" knowledge of "what works with Linux"... and I have had success. This "usually" requires buying a motherboard with either nothing built-in, or on it, and buying PCI, or AGP, cards, to handle the video and audio, and using a external seriel fax / modem. Currently, my "winning" combination, is a NVidia video card, a Sound Blaster sound card, and a "cheap" 56k fax / modem that attaches with a 9-pin seriel cable. I have run this hardware with both Knoppix and Kanotix, and other than having to "compile" my video drivers into the kernel, this combination works - out-of-the-box ( so, to speak ).
To get things to "work" with Linux, hardware wise, usually requires not buying the "newest" or the "greatest" hardware on the market. A lot of times, its not the newest issue, its if the drivers have support, are popular, and, mostly, if the source is "open" and available, for someone to create "linux" versions of the hardware. What usually messes this all up, is, if its some sort of "propietary" thing... Like NTFS... ( or a WinModem )
Linux, can almost, seem like its the saviour, or the messiah, and yet, it does have its down-sides... I cant seem to run some games, "explicitly" programmed for Windows, and Cedega wont give me any information on if it will run, if I buy, the "full version", beforehand. Some games, are just not available for Debian, Linux, and not able to get them with apt-get.
But, Linux has its good points. I just bought a 3 GHz AMD64, and even Windows cant handle using 64 bit in there OS yet, but Kanotix can. I bought 1 GB of RAM ( DDR ), an external fax / modem, another NVidia video card, and a Sound Blaster Pro - Live - for sound. I will migrate the ethernet card in my old system, it works perfectly in Linux, into the new system, and I dont expect any hardware problems. I dont think you can buy a motherboard without sound on it anymore, but, that is easily disabled in the BIOS. Video, audio, and possibly, network, may not be that easy, and when purchasing a motherboard for use in Linux, you need to consider that "it might not work". But, thats why people who run Linux, are a different "breed" of "computer people". You just dont buy something, you research it first. You check its support, you check if its got issues, in Linux, you check if anyone else has one running, etc... Then you buy.
Linux is not Windows. Windows, you can walk down the computer hardware aisle, and buy anything, almost willy-nilly, and it will probably work in Windows. This isnt the same in Linux. You have to be more selective, or do some research, before you purchase. Linux is not for people who need "instant gratification", or have issues with "impulse buying" - unless, you give in to the idea, what you just bought, might not work.
Just my 2 cents worth,
Ms. Cuddles
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Your points are well taken, Ms. Cuddles. I think we're both saying the same thing, just from different perspectives. Incidently, I don't consider myself a Windoze guy by any means. I started in PC's with an Apple II, and have owned and worked with Mac's, PC's, Amiga's and SparcStations over the past 30 some years. In fact, I don't remember ever being as dissappointed or as frustrated with an OS as I have been with XP, and there have been some doozie OS's in the past...
On a more positive note, four of the most exciting new developments in the computer industry (at least from my perspective): Live CD's, Wine, PearPC and Open Source are all Linux based developments. The whole concept of "Open Source Development" is a huge breath of fresh air for an industry and technology that has become stiffled by greed. Live CD's are something neither M$oft or Apple are able to do, and the list of possible uses are just starting to be realized. And PearPC and Wine are just plain COOL.
No, I'm no Windoze guy, just a frustrated Linux wan-a-bee...
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Originally Posted by
bigkahuna
2. Software installation sucks. Yeah, there's Klik,
klik actually solves this: Simply klik an application on a machine with Internet access and copy over the resulting cmg file to the machine without Internet access - it's really that simple.
Greetings,
probono
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