Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

[Hunkah]

OK I know I am a knewbie <- get it? Ummm anyway, I agree that koffice is usless, I use Open Office on my Windows machine. It is what most people seem to use.

I also think Firefox and Thunderbird should replace Mozilla, Mozilla seems to be falling behind in the polls.

I don't think a DVD writer is needed in a CD-Rom version of Knoppix, cause who would use it?! It seems so weird.

Keep the games, that is what newbies will go to first. I know that some of you don't care for games, but knoppix is like the messiah of Linux. I think most converts come to know Linux through Knoppix. Therefore, games will keep them logged on for that much longer.

I think anything that makes linux easy to use or tutorials on what linux is, should be kept or added to knoppix. I myself have been learning about Linux only because I loaded a Knoppix disk. I almost gave up after my first three install failures of Linux. Knoppix was the only one that I could get to work.

So, anyone that feels the need to burn me... Here is your chance. Just know that I still stand behind what I have said.

[henla464]

I agree, KOffice can be removed.

I would also like to have Firefox and Thunderbird instead of Mozilla. But they take more space than Mozilla does so it might be hard to do that.

Personally I don't care about games.

Are you planning on including both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? In that case, why? Isn't 2.6 good enough? I would remove 2.4.

I think KDE and one lightweight windowmanager is enough.


I have no DVD burner, please continue to distribute knoppix on CD!

/Henrik Larsson

[Bobmeister]

I agree about Koffice, it can go away...just about EVERYONE is using OpenOffice now as the best suite for that stuff. What about pairing down on some of the games? I know that a lot of them come bundled together, but I'm sure that klaus can figure out a way to strip some out.

I have been using the 2.6.5 kernel now for a grand total of 1 hour on a Fedora Test machine...the latest and greates should be in there. But ALL of the applications are getting bigger as they also get better.

65MB, huh? Hmmm...a lot of stuff in there, you know? This IS a tough one.

I would do the DVD also, however, the CD format should be around for a long time as per the reasons stated by others above.

It would be interesting to find out what is actually ignored in the distibution...stuff that is hardly EVER used....like a survey or something to help in the decision, however that probably would take too long...

Just thinking out loud....

[Hunkah]

I would take a survey, I am sure most would. I think that to delay the next release to do a survey would drive everyone mad, but maybe do one for the release after that?

[hkfczrqj]

Hi

I agree on saying goodbye to KOffice... maybe some games... i18n stuff is a really tough one.

BTW, it's a good idea to have a DVD version in addition to the CD.

Cheers...

[perlwiz]

Fabian,

I agree with removing Koffice and reducing the number of window managers. I think that removing some of the games is also fine.

What about releasing what you have now (65 MB to large) for a DVD only "test" version to hold the masses at bay until you finish trimming down the CD version?

#!/usr/bin/PERLWIZ

[C0SM0S--]

Please don't remove the games. I see Knoppix fullfilling a many roles. One of the those roles is it's ability to show the Windows user that there are viable open source alternatives. My wife found the games 30 seconds after booting the disk. That experiance alone can convince someone that Linux is not "just for hackers and geeks". I don't play the games but, don't underestimate the value that they can have initially/instantly.

Knoppix should stay CD based as long as possible. Many people are using Knoppix on laptops that are not easily upgradeable to DVD.

[MongooseNX]

I'm pretty new to Linux, and Knoppix was what finally convinced me to to dedicate a partition to Linux (HD Install).

I agree that K-Office can go. Also I don't really need JPilot or KPilot. Also there seems to be an excess of Text editors.

The best part about Knoppix for me is that if I screw up too many settings, I can easily and quickly reinstall the whole thing again, so for that I'd prefer to stick with a CD instead of a bloated DVD.


JMHO

Robert

[coolestuk]

It is one of the fantastic things about Linux that we have so many different WM/Desktop Environments to choose from. I'm working on a project using Knoppix to bring computer use to poorer countries, and one of the things I need to do is to provide stripped down desktops for the sake of simplicity/ease of use/language barriers. We cannot train people to use complex desktops from the beginning. I have found Window Maker to be the easiest to simplify. Also, please keep the terminal server in there - it is vital for us.

I would suggest removing a) _some_ games (I'm no gamer, but I can imagine they might be useful to some people) b) removing Koffice.

Perhaps better to stay with Mozilla until Thunderbird/Firebird are more established - and another way is found to free up space.

Knoppix is great, and is making our project possible. We also hope to raise funds, and will look to plough some of that back into Knoppix.

[Neo-Rio]

Kick Koffice.
Stick to one browser. Nobody uses Konqueror for web surfing.
Chop out some of the games. Stick to the Solitaire/Minesweepers. While forzen bubble and Nethack are good, if people really want them, they can get them elsewhere.
How many disk partitioning softwares do we need? fdisk, cfdisk, Qtparted..... I mainly use fdisk. Qtparted is a bit bloated.
Chop out some of the Xtools.... but keep the calculator of course!
Do we really need all four shells? Stick to bash!
Bochs and wine..... hmmm. Wine is essential, bochs is not.
Who really uses all the development tools? Keep emacs of course.

And for goodness sakes, will someone put a configurable firewall script in Knoppix for the HD installers? I'm thinking about arno's iptables.... it's small and powerful.