Large extremely important NTFS files...

[gurdian]

Let's talk about networking then. Sorry that I didn't answer the question earlier.

Logically, I have 2 PC's. One is this busted Dell notebook. The other is the Desktop that I'm using right now to do the dvd burning.

Now even IF i do set up a network between these two, where would I copy the data to?

I have about 500 gigs in the desktop but it's all in NTFS format.

[Harry Kuhman]

Let's talk about networking then. Sorry that I didn't answer the question earlier.

Logically, I have 2 PC's. One is this busted Dell notebook. The other is the Desktop that I'm using right now to do the dvd burning.

Now even IF i do set up a network between these two, where would I copy the data to?

I have about 500 gigs in the desktop but it's all in NTFS format.

OK, I see what you've done and it seems like you only have one computer now, the desktop.

Sometimes when Windows is blown on a laptop, people find that they can still boot Knoppix (obviously there are a lot of things that could happen to a laptop that would prevent that). It sounds like that might have even been the case for you, after all, if your desktop can't read the UBS drive from XP then there must be something mucked up with the directory structure that is confuding XP, and would have confused it on the notebook too. Had you managed to boot Knoppix on the notebook then you could have transfered the files by ethernet to the desktop (desktop still running xp so it can certainly write to ntfs just fine). There are a lot of ways to transfer the files, I would just use FTP.

With the laptop out of the picture, you would need another computer somewhere that you could transfer too to avoid writing the DVD's. It might still take an awful long time to suck the data off of a (now) usb drive, but at least you wouldn't have to be there to change DVD's as needed, you could go to bed and have a life while the files move to the other system.

[gurdian]

Wait, hang on there...I haven't told you the entire story...

The laptop boots up Knoppix just fine. I tried it just now.

Reason why I didn't just backup from the laptop using the built in CD burner is because I wanted to save on CD's and use DVDs instead (Really bad choice there, considering how fast I'm going now)

It'd be intresting to know how to network these two together. Things would be much more efficient than it is now...

[Harry Kuhman]

Wait, hang on there...I haven't told you the entire story...

The laptop boots up Knoppix just fine. I tried it just now.

Reason why I didn't just backup from the laptop using the built in CD burner is because I wanted to save on CD's and use DVDs instead (Really bad choice there, considering how fast I'm going now)

It'd be intresting to know how to network these two together. Things would be much more efficient than it is now...

Yea, plus with files a gig in size or more, 700 meg CD's present another problem.

How you network the two systems depends on what equipment you have. I'm assuming that you have ethernet on both systems. If so and you have high speed internet access through a typical home DSL/cable router, then each computer is asigned it's own IP address when it boots into Windows and Knoppix respectively. You should be able to ping each machine from the other (you may have to shut down a firewall in XP for this). If you can do that then just start up an ftp server in one and run a client in the other and make sure you transfer the files as binary files (not as text files or automatic under any circumstances, it could corrupt the files). Personally I would run an FTP server on Windows, but that's just because I've already done so and it took me all of about 5 minutes to set up and get running. I'm pretty sure Knoppix provides an FTP server too, but I'm not the one to talk you through that (anyone else is welcome to join in here). One good guess might be type "man ftp" at a command prompt.

If you don't have a router to assign dhcp addresses, you can still do it. You'll either need a cross over cable to directly connect the 2 computers, or if you don't have a cross over cable or a way to make one, a switch or hub and 2 regular network cables. Then you have to assign the computers two unique IP addresses (something in the 192.168.xxx.xxx range is always good as long as you're not trying to connect directly to the Internet). The command is ifconfig in Knoppix to see your settings, you can do a manual setup with the command netcardconfig and tell it not to use dhcp. Make the Windows settings from the windows control panel (networking, I think). Again, get it to where you can ping each computer from the other and you're nearly there.

I've gotta crash, but I'm sure others can help you through it if you ask more questions. You might want to start a new thread in the networking forum to reach people more likely to be interested in that area.

[garyng]

What kernel version is your knoppix on desktop running ? If it is 2.6, it comes with a standard NTFS driver which is safe to "REWRITE" on NTFS fs.

What you would need to do then is to :

1. create one large file(whatever GB) when you are running XP/NT.
2. boot KNOPPIX and loop mount this file
4. Boot KNOPPIX on your laptop


Then use netcat(or nc at the command line) to cat the whole partition from the laptop to the desktop. From the desktop, also run netcat to dump the incoming stream to the loop mount device.

After it is done, you have your whole NTFS image in that file which you can mount under your desktop KNOPPIX and retrieve whatever content you have inside.

Even you cannot boot KNOPPIX on your desktop, you can have netcat with cygwin.

netcat is your friend, if you don't want to take out the 2.5" HD from the laptop. I would just get an USB enclosure put the HD there. In fact, this things happened to me before on my Dell laptop. I thought the HD is hoisted but after took it out and use as an USB HD, everything is fine, may be related to temperature.

[firebyrd10]

The 2.6 kernel has that option, but I think it disabled in knoppix.


As for networking. The drive type doesn't matter, windows uses SMB to share files. SMB is compatable with older versions of windows that don't support ntfs, so windows handles all the writing and reading so that other computers can work with it.

If your networked and the other computer can accept sharing. (Right click the shared folder and make sure it allows writing.)

From konqueror tpye

smb://other_computer_name

Click the folder, then copy and paste your files.