Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

I feel that knoppix/debian could become the prefered standard linux distro by allowing the end user to decide what packages ride on top of a minimal core with all the conflicting hassel's worked out in that core. The end user could then decide CD or DVD or HD etc... I know this has always been the case to those who have a deep grasp of custom building with knoppix (which I regretfully don't) Something similar in scope to morphix but using regular packages as opposed to a special format for modular additions maybe just better doc's on rolling your own or a tool to simplify the process? A solid core system with this flexability is the key I think. At least I hope to someday be able to build my own knoppix based CD's for several special purposes I have in mind and the odds of anyone having the same preferences to what I would like to see on these CD's are fairly low. Of course OO should be there as well as most if not all the standard X interfaces. Just my opinion but that is where I would like to see the focus remain.

65Mb is pretty much. But there must be a way to make a perfect Knoppix live-cd.

I agree that KOffice is improving much. But I don't mind when it is not included in the next Knoppix. Maybe a shortcut/link to install it on the computer after a HD install. Like the Flash install link. Maybe it can be done with more programs.

Why 2 kernels? Go for the new 2.6 kernel. And technical/programming programs, people who want to use them probably know how to install them. So maybe some can be excluded from the CD.

I vote for a Knoppix which we can give to Linux Newbies (like me too :D) so they get to know Linux. Internet, E-mail, Office and games are the first things to start with.

To all from the Knoppix team, Thank You for a wonderfull CD!!! It is my first choice after trying RedHat, SuSE and Fedora.

good point, reduce the amount of devel tools.
it should be enough to compile from source but not much more.

It is a wonderful product, and like many others here... It has saved my data in the past when WinXP became unbootable.

I've thought about my usage pattens with Knoppix, and I have to agree with the theme of this thread. I tend to open KOffice just to look at the state of development, and then quickly close it again. OO is the way to go. Koffice is a nice set of applications, but it is not as ready as OO, and not as widely accepted, even in the geek community.

I would also reconsider the amount of games and entertainment packages. For me, and probably most Knoppix users, Knoppix is a tool, not a toy. For those who end up doing a hard drive install, anything can be added later to suit taste.

Steve

/me votes

koffice out.
mozilla out.

opera or firefox in (i can understand if u don't want opera as it's adware when not registered though).

2.6.5 kernel and OOfice latest in.

xchat out bersirc in? (if not then certainly look to upgrade xchat due to the recent proxy exploit ( http://www.osnn.net/comments.php?shownews=10239 ), birsircs UI, and new mirc script compatability is v nice though)

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Originally Posted by Yakumo

opera or firefox in (i can understand if u don't want opera as it's adware when not registered though).

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btw The Opera adware is very discreet... I run the commercial version on XP and the free version on Linux. The difference is negligible, and it makes an excellent partner to Konqueror.

No doubt its considered heresy by many Linux users ;-)

Hello,

I use Knoppix both for introducing new users and for system/network debugging. Hence I'm in favor of keeping games as well as tools like Nessus. I'd vote for removing open office for the prior stated reasons. I'd also vote for retaining the CD distro for the prior stated reasons. The same for the additional display managers.

Now, regarding the space problem....

The multiple language approach would cause a major restructuring on your part and hence would not be my first choice. Also, it's probably easier for those of us in the US to live with a mono-language distro than for Europeans, and this is a European distro.

Part of the the space problem seems to be due to the dual nature of Knoppix - both run from a CD and installed. Some of the utilities, like TeX, are more useful for an installed system, but I feel they are still very useful. KOffice fits into this category, too. Hence, if Knoppix splits into 2 CDs, the second might contain those applications more useful when installed on HDD. Also, since Knoppix is basically Debian, some enhanced form of package retriever might help with additional components.

Re the problem of 2.4 vs. 2.6 kernel... How about a split? Make 3.4 the 2.6 kernel line and 3.3 the 2.4 kernel line? Over time, as the 2.6 kernel line matures, you can then drop the 3.3 series.

I hope some of this is useful. Thanks for a wonderful distro. And good luck.

It always happens...

On my prior post, please replace "Open Office" with "KOffice" in the third sentence.

Forgive my asking - why not consider the high density CDs (800MB)? If the ISO is 765 or even 785 MB, it would still fit in one of these...

This way, the community can:
1. Get its hands on 3.4 and chill for a moment
2. Prepare for a wide and detailed questionnaire - WHAT IS HOT and WHAT IS NOT?, to consider for the next release... I myself am prepared to answer to ANY questionnaire the KNOPPIX team has in place.

All of the above have noted key points to consider. One thing I believe is most important though - KNOPPIX should remain easy-and-accessible for newbies. It is the first step we need to help with - take care of the newbies. ;)

Smith

Dona's suggestions make sense.

There is a dicotomy between the HD version and the live CD version. A solution might be a two CD distro, the first CD being a 'live' CD. The second CD would be tools which are more likely to be useful for an HD installation.

Personally, I'm a fan of some of the KOffice elements like gnumeric over the OO spreadsheet, but needs must.