Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

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Originally Posted by sn0wflake

j.drake: I don't know what wonderland you live in since you have infinite access to DVD's but I sure would like to know.
I'm in Denmark now, we're reasonably technically advanced and I do indeed have a drive capable of reading DVD's in my laptop, but I have no DVD burner, you insensitive clod.
How am I supposed to burn a DVD image WITHOUT a burner :?

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Obviously you can't. People keep misunderstanding me. Here's what I said:

1. Most Windows folks probably have a DVD drive. This is because the MS environment expects people to constantly upgrade. I'm not here to debate whether that's good, bad, fair, unfair, sensitive or smart - I just state it for what it is. I didn't say burner - I said drive. If you run linux on a 10-year old computer, I respect that, but the statement is not aimed at you, I'm talking about people who currently run MS exclusively and who may be curious about switching.

2. DVD drives are cheap. They are. Trust me. You'd be hard pressed to find more than $10 USD difference in cost between a DVD reader and a CD reader ( a year ago, a DVD reader cost me $30 USD at a retail store). Plus, I'll bet most linux tinkerers are resourceful enough to score a used one for less than $5.

3. Burned linux disks are cheap. Approx $6 USD with shipping. OK, blank DVDs cost more, so add maybe $3-5 USD at most - call it $10 USD total. So you want to burn your own -- OK, well when I first got into this I didn't have broadband, and I couldn't download CD ISO files -- did that make everyone else insensitive? No, I bought a previously burned disk and had it mailed to me. No big deal.

4. DVD burners now are as cheap as CD burners were when Knoppix first came out. I've seen them in dual formats for $80 USD at Best Buy. I still remember CD readers at $300 USD when they first came out. If it wasn't "unreasonable" or "insensitive" to give people the option of burning their own Knoppix CDs when Knoppix first came out and CD burners were more expensive, then why is it so controversial and "insensitive" now?? It's an option - not a requirement - buy a burner if you want - buy a disk if you don't.

5. Keep v.3.3 ISOs on the mirrors. Look, I'm not the one who made Knoppix 3.4 too big for a CD - that's not my fault - it is what it is. If you don't want to buy a DVD player or burner, but want to run Knoppix, fine. I don't care if you do. But if 3.4 won't fit on a CD, and if no one wants to sacrifice their favorite apps, then what do you want me to do about it? You're wanting to kill off apps that other people need or want because you personally don't favor them, all so you won't have to be inconvenienced by a switch in format (an inevitable one, BTW), yet you call ME insensitive??? Give me a break!

6. Many hardcore linux folks are doing HD installs, and know how to get upgrades easily. If you need Knoppix as a rescue disk, the rescued computer probably won't be offended if you use v. 3.3. Plus, I did point out the possibility of less frequent upgrades to the CDs.

Call me insensitive if you want, but I proposed a solution that doesn't sacrifice anybody's favorite or most needed applications, that gets leading edge users the power and versatility that they want, that provides existing users the ability to have everything they currently have, that maximizes appeal to new Windows users, and really doesn't cost all that much in the grand scheme of things. Even if you go with the most expensive approach and buy a brand new DVD burner, it's still cheaper than a WinXP upgrade disk or a full retail license of RedHat or SuSE, plus you get a burner that you can use for backups, making DVDs, or whatever else. you choose. And, if that poses a problem, you can still burn a CD if you want or order a DVD by mail.

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Originally Posted by agent_smith

Hello team!

2. Lose all languages BUT us & de

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No why ... please remove English and leave Polish ! Do you really think that there is only one language besides German?

I haven't read all of the posts on this forum topic yet, but it seems to me that many people agree to dump kwrite and at least some of the games. I know many people run knoppix from cd but I think far more install to HD. Many of the applications can be installed from downloads or possibly a second cd. Linux IS everything to everyone of its users. We all have the apps that we like and would hate to see them go (that's why many distros are 3 cd's). But I think it is in the best interest of knoppix to pick the best program for a particular task and use it (as long it is restricted to cd only).

I know (myself included) that many use the knoppix cd on other computers to fix problems and I think a remaster slimmed down to utilities and tools with 2.6 and KDE 3.2.1 will be perfect for such a use.

Knoppix faces growing pains. In the world of linux distros people use the one that suits them best. Now that knoppix is so popular and apps are growing I think knoppix is at the crossroads. Can it continue to be a live cd and offer as much as previous versions? The answer is yes if the live cd is not a cd at all, but a dvd. I would like to see knoppix continue to pioneer the linux world. knoppix on dvd could be the impetus for many people to get that dvd burner. You know, the old "If you build it they will come" thing. 8x burners are below $100.

I also think that knoppix is much more than a demo version of linux. I'm sure you will always be able to get the older cd versions when knoppix finally goes to dvd for those computers that do not have a dvd drive. The advocates of the cd format fail to mention that not all older drives read cd-r's anyway and therefore their argument is weakened. I don't know of anyone that advocates a dvd version that says to deep six the cd version alltogether. Honestly, I still use a floppy now and then.

that's my 2 cents.
rob

hi to all :lol:
I have a simpler suggestion, however more laborious, write a script OWN-CUSTOM-KNOPPIX in a way that each one can include your favorite application establishing its proper size, being it CD or DVD;
one SITE (DEBIAN by side)for acquisition the programs and a standard-image ISO for this end...

ps. i never used remaster way, but i think something like that

This topic is endless, i like Hussein but not Laden; he like AC/DC but not BlackSabath; she like BackStreetBoys but not Rick Martin; you like McDonalds but not potato fries................................... :roll:

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Originally Posted by sn0wflake

Dropping local language and keyboard support will be a major error.

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Since I brought this subject up, I should reply to this.

Droping kde-i18n-* will drop the language support for menus and kde programs. You will still be able to set your locals (i.e. time, money, date) and keyboard. You will NOT have the start menu, the programs on it or menus in programs (File, Edit, About) translated to danish or japanese.

What I do miss are these few i18n lines in S00knoppix-autoconfig

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sv)
LANGUAGE="sv"
COUNTRY="se"
LANG="sv_SE"
KEYTABLE="se-latin1"
XKEYBOARD="se"
KDEKEYBOARD="se"
CHARSET="iso8859-15"
# Additional KDE Keyboards
KDEKEYBOARDS="us,dk,fi,no"
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They will make it possible for swedes to have a swedish keyboard & characterset per default.

And so to the CD vs. DVD question:
New computers all have DVD drives, some fancy ones even a burner. As a Linux demo, which is compatible to a 486, it would best be fitted onto a CD to be used in as many computers as posible. Don't drop the CD-version! A CD is readable in a DVD-ROM but not the other way round.

Do a more complete DVD-version too. Gradually people will start using the DVD-version and in a few years the CD will become obsolete.

For time beeing there should be a Knoppix3.4CD and a Knoppix3.4DVD version. The only question is not DVD-burner or not, but also a question about bandwidth, filesystems and so on. I tried downlading a DVD version the other day onto an ext2-filesystem, but at 2GB wget had exceede its maximum filesize... I had my internet connection cloged up for 36 hr in vain...

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Originally Posted by pnti

... please remove English and leave Polish!

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Remove ALL languages but the common language english (keep german too, due to Klaus).

If you want another language - do a remaster. There is a remaster called Nordix, with swedish, finish, danish and norwegian. Anotherone called Baltix with the baltic languages.

The benefit of a remaster is, you can have your local keyboard layout in the boot menu, system menues and dialog boxes in your local language.

Soon someone will argue we should have Knoppix in chinese only, maybe with some language support for thamil or Indian languages too, due to their size.

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Originally Posted by Hasse

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Originally Posted by pnti

... please remove English and leave Polish!

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Remove ALL languages but the common language english (keep german too, due to Klaus).

Soon someone will argue we should have Knoppix in chinese only ...

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You have just suggested it. In my opinion locales are VERY important.

BTW j.drake, you make a very great argument, obviously a debater in school.
rob

Klaus,
Please save us from this thread!
Maybe if you just drop the already-made Knoppix 3.4 c't iso on the main download mirrors it would put some of us (and this thread!) out of our misery and you could quickly follow up with the next 3.4 (or 3.5) version...

...everthing is getting blurry, the word on my monitor are swimming before my eyes....(moustache slumps forward onto his keyboard)....

kde, dvd, mic, key, m-o-u-s-e...*

remove all 3 (Remove Koffice / kdegames and edutainment), makes alot of space on the cd afterwards

I personally remove the kde-i18n too but I can understand most of them being left in

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Originally Posted by moustache

Klaus,
Please save us from this thread!

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Really funny! Thanks.

What about removing KDE? :?

I sould:

remove /usr/share/doc/ Who reads the changelog and important installation information?, but make it available on a website so in case you want to read it is available on the internet (and in most cases man gives more information) (it saves 130 Mbyte)

remove the 2.4.X kernel, just one kernel (2.6.X) is good.

make 2 version:
for example
one with languages US/EN/NL/DE and one with FR/ES/IT... (Germaan <=> Romaan (?)) or one for USA/Europe and one for the rest of the world...
(now there is also an -en and -de version, you can easily change the thedault setting by editing the file, maybe there is someone who can make an Windows tool for that for the Windows users.)
is saves +/- 50Mbyte

If there must be removed applications: emacs/tex/tetex and so. Knoppix is to show Linux to Linux newbies who are (in most cases) just normal Windows users, they want to see the Linux version of the webbrowser, office suite, email client, simple games and so on, no difficult emacs editor or so...

Make is a 2 CD version, CD1 just for the live CD, not all the emacs packages and so and CD2 is an extra CD in case you want to install it on HD, you can add emacs, documentation, games, more languages (I18n), other applications... (so a light Live CD and an extra CD with more applications in case you want to install it on HD)
In this case you can also remove dpkg with all the files and put it in CD #2.

And you could remove the pdf and ogg files from the CD, save +/- 6Mbyte.

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Originally Posted by EasyDisk

If there must be removed applications: emacs/tex/tetex and so. Knoppix is to show Linux to Linux newbies

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But please do *not remove LyX* and the apps it needs. Programs like LyX can really show the power of Linux to newbies and demonstrate that Linux isn't just a Windows clone ;)

But I agree, more "esoteric" tools such as emacs tend not to be very useful for the newbie...

Anyway, perhaps we really should focus on customized CDs rather than "one" Knoppix (see the "debianization of Knoppix, http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9706)

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Originally Posted by agent_smith

1. Knoppix is about KDE - Gnoppix is about GNOME, so we should stick to KDE, and lose everything there is to GNOME - environment, libs, packages, etc.

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I thought that Knoppix was about Klaus Knopper :)

I agree that Knoppix is KDE based, and GNOME apps should be gone if there is another with similar functionality (e.g. use Kopete instead of Gaim) but removing everything related to the G word is a little too extreme. A lot of non GNOME apps depend on GNOME libs (which, AFAIK, do not take much space).

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Oh, pls keep emacs. But if emacs is gone, I want vi gone too! :twisted: . Or are you telling that vi is newbie-friendly?

Cheers...

Instead of taking out this or that application, why not have 2 live CDs: one with the 2.4.X kernal and the other with the 2.6.X.

JOKE
hkfczrqj:
naaaah, neither VI nor emacs are user friendly, least not as much as echo or cat :twisted: those are virtually minute and you can make textfiles with them... so out with all editors, just keep echo and cat :lol: who uses kword anyway? or anything X for that matter :wink:, everyone must use the console :roll: why taint Linux with graphix, text works in books, and has done for millenia, computers are no toys for kids, and as xfree86 is the comic of computers :roll: it taints them, we will not even mention other even more perverted sytems :D
/JOKE
naaah, seriously, there are lots of pros/cons, for all choises, i have my preference you all have yours. and Klaus has his, and as klaus is mr knoppix... HE decides, we can but pray that he chooses as wisely as he has in the past.
OErjan

Hi everyone

IMHO :

-KOffice bye!
-Many language stuff.. bye! English is enough (and Deutch for logical reasons)
-Many games.. bye!
-DVD?.. NO WAY!, dvd is about 3 or 4 gigz. Who wanna to put in a dvd?.. everythings?. In any case, Knoppix for a while is enough for a cd, i don't think to change in dvd version will made the diference. In fact, the cd version have with koffice (a lot of useless space), so without koffice, "we" have more space in cd. Yeah, everyone have a dvd player in their PC, but it's not common to have a dvd-writter in everypc. Even more, think in the distro and every server that host it (poor server that will be pushed to support +4gigz imagen U_U )
Knoppix is useable because you can run linux in any pc. Almost any pc have cd-player not dvd-player!.

I'm a older knoppix user (i'm still use a 2002 version). I missed the fact that this distro cannot have mp3s. If don't have (latest releace) then i like a knoppix version with some mp3 (not illegal).

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Originally Posted by resistance

hi to all :lol:
I have a simpler suggestion, however more laborious, write a script OWN-CUSTOM-KNOPPIX in a way that each one can include your favorite application establishing its proper size, being it CD or DVD;
one SITE (DEBIAN by side)for acquisition the programs and a standard-image ISO for this end...

ps. i never used remaster way, but i think something like that

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This sounds *very* interesting.

Imagine yourself booting the standard CD issue of Knoppix 4.0
(let's assume you have a PC with a CD- or DVD-Rom and a CD or DVD writer)
- You fire up a new GUI app (to be written, let's call it KCK (Knoppix Construction Kit (tm))).
- You start a new "Knoppix project". This creates an image with a basic Knoppix framework but without any "advanced" apps.
- KCK will let you configure a Debian sources.list
- KCK will let you install into this image any Debian packages you want (and/or klik packages?)
- KCK will let you manually add and change files to further customize the image
- The custom image will be written to CD or DVD (e.g. using k3b)

This would allow us to restrict ourselves to a CD *and* empower
people with DVD hardware to run a custom DVD issue of Knoppix.

Could this be done? Am I smoking crack?

In the interest of chiming in and adding my thoughts to the fray, I believe that we should all think about what the purpose of the Knoppix CD is. As I understood, it was intended to achieve basic educational goals and to help new users get acquainted with linux. As such, I think one should consider that by far the majority of users or students getting acquaited with Linux will be coming from a Windows background and from many countries. Therefore, apps that have versions that run on both OSes should stay (Mozilla, Firebird, OOo) and those only available on Linux should go (Koffice, etc.). When the newb grows used to the Linux paradigm, he can explore his new world further by getting into Linux only apps. Of course, since Knoppix has such great appeal to users the world over, localization would be a "must retain" feature.

All the points bandied about in this thread about keeping this app or that seem to come from seasoned Knoppix users who should now be able to use apt or other methods to install packages. They should step back and consider the newbies coming to Knoppix for the first time. They should consider that some of the lesser used apps or redundant apps should be moved off the CD to wait in the wings for the moment the new user ventures to say, "What else can it do?"

At this point, every person arguing for their own apps and not giving an inch will result in us forever waiting indefinitely for something, *anything* to be released. That, does NO ONE any good.

As for me, cut whatever you like but release it on CD *not* DVD only. I'll make due with whatever I've been given *for free no less* and be happy with that.

Anyway, Knoppix has been a tremedous asset to me in my endeavor to learn more about linux and I would like to thank those involved in bringing to the world .

--Paul

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Originally Posted by pbk105

I think one should consider that by far the majority of users or students getting acquaited with Linux will be coming from a Windows background and from many countries. Therefore, apps that have versions that run on both OSes should stay (Mozilla, Firebird, OOo) and those only available on Linux should go (Koffice, etc.)

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This would explain Linux to new users as a Windows clone (and Linux isn't very good as a Windows clone either). Instead, new users should be shown the advantages of Linux.

So, quite in contrast to the quote above, I would vote for leaving apps out that people already know from the Windows world.

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Originally Posted by resistance

OWN-CUSTOM-KNOPPIX

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debix tries to do something like this: http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9706

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Originally Posted by savage

having DVD only is pointless and would kill knoppix.

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Well, that's why I suggested at least keeping the existing CD ISOs up, possibly with less frequent updates for major releases. But seriously, it's pretty hard to argue that a DVD version of Knoppix 3.4 would be so incredibly devastating, given that Klaus himself was handing them out at CeBit like candy. I really can't imagine him working so hard to destroy his own creation.

The world is not flat, God doesn't care if we want to fly, the sky is not falling down, and Knoppix will survive if distributed in a DVD configuration. Trust me on this one.

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Originally Posted by j.drake

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Originally Posted by savage

having DVD only is pointless and would kill knoppix.

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Well, that's why I suggested at least keeping the existing CD ISOs up, possibly with less frequent updates for major releases. But seriously, it's pretty hard to argue that a DVD version of Knoppix 3.4 would be so incredibly devastating, given that Klaus himself was handing them out at CeBit like candy. I really can't imagine him working so hard to destroy his own creation.

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At CeBit that were CDs ...

There are DVDs isos for download [see in News] (unofficial, but heh) ...

cu

Fabian

[quote="Fabianx"]Hi,
I'm just back from vacation and want to inform you, why Knoppix is not out already:
1. We are over with 65 MB (KDE 3.2.1 is big!). So we need to delete some stuff, but what? (Proposals can be written based on last edition of 3.3 as programs almost remain the same, but get bigger ... :-/ )

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i apology for my ¿english or spanglish ? :lol:
I propose to following:
create one CD BASE, with 2 or 3 WM examples , KDE, GNOME, BLANE2000
and One program for type, graphical and command line,
look remaster of kurumin or kalango for one idea

and create one CD APPS, with rest the program , this is form , if i need one program
of CD APPS , i make "apt-get cdrom" =)
(i am ¿thinking=[ in spanish is pensando]? in the people with not conecction to internet)

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Originally Posted by j.drake

Well, that's why I suggested at least keeping the existing CD ISOs up, possibly with less frequent updates for major releases. But seriously, it's pretty hard to argue that a DVD version of Knoppix 3.4 would be so incredibly devastating, given that Klaus himself was handing them out at CeBit like candy. I really can't imagine him working so hard to destroy his own creation.

The world is not flat, God doesn't care if we want to fly, the sky is not falling down, and Knoppix will survive if distributed in a DVD configuration. Trust me on this one.

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I agree that having DVD for those who can burn DVDs would be better, but most people can't use it. Also just having outdated (and unpatched) software as your only CD isn't a good idea especially if someone wants to do a hard drive install.

While knoppix won't be gone for sure, people would move on to another live CD if it was DVD only. Not that anyone is seriously considering switching just to DVD.

I dont mean to be rude, but could we please at least get something released. The 2.6 kernel is what should help me install gentoo onto my raid, but they didn't put in on the 2004.0 live cd (bit stupid IMO).

Anyway, there no need for koffice if you've got open office. IMO, just remove things that shouldn't be needed for a liveCD. And release another version for people who want to put it on their hard drive.

I use Knoppix for four different reasons:-

1) As a rescue disc - for this I need it to be CD based, have good drivers and compatability (e.g. having both 2.4 and 2.6 is an advantage), and useful tools for handling disks - e.g. fdisk, partimage. I do use QTParted in this case, as it is sometimes quicker/easier to work with a more graphical view of the partition layout.

2) As a diagnostic tool. Similar to the above, but usually with a greater emphasis on networking tools in my case.

3) As a portable environment. Combined with a USB key for my home, it means that I can quickly get a familiar and comfortable working environment on almost any machine. Many of the machines I use lack DVD drives. For this I like to have the software that I prefer to use on my normal desktop machine - OOo, Mozilla suite plus a few games (FreeCiv and a couple of card games).

4) As a demo to Windows users. The key selling points are OOo and Mozilla - they are easy to understand (a free equivalent to MS Office, a free equivalent to IE/Outlook), and there's the possibility for Windows users to switch to them without having to go down the Linux route (not everyone can or will switch, but OOo and Moz are great introductions to the world of Open Source).


Personally I'd lose KOffice (I never use it) and some of the I18N stuff (but then I'm a native English speaker). I'd also lose many of the games, but not all of them.

Regarding the I18N stuff - maybe we've just reached a point where localisation needs to be handled by local user groups for each release. Perhaps it would be sufficient to omit most of the languages, but provide detailed instructions (which could then be translated) about how to remaster for a different language set.

Suggestion for a
HD install version and a LiveCD version.

The HD install version could have just the basics then users could apt-get the rest as needed, I'd bet most just use the CD for easy HD installs of Linux anyhow. Would cut DL time as well.

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Originally Posted by pbk105

I think one should consider that by far the majority of users or students getting acquaited with Linux will be coming from a Windows background and from many countries. Therefore, apps that have versions that run on both OSes should stay (Mozilla, Firebird, OOo) and those only available on Linux should go (Koffice, etc.)

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This would explain Linux to new users as a Windows clone (and Linux isn't very good as a Windows clone either). Instead, new users should be shown the advantages of Linux.

So, quite in contrast to the quote above, I would vote for leaving apps out that people already know from the Windows world.

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Originally Posted by resistance

OWN-CUSTOM-KNOPPIX

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debix tries to do something like this: http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9706

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Well, I disagree. Most Microsoft users are going to fall back on their Windows experience to try to get a grip on Linux. At the university where I work, I have seen it many times already. You can't just push someone into Linux and command them to learn. To do it that way, you have to overcome tremendous resistance. They will always tend to fall back on some knowledge they already have. And what's wrong with that? I doubt anyone who can use Mozilla on Windows would think that Knoppix is just a clone because it too runs Mozilla. Ask a Mac fan if he thinks his fav OS is a Windows clone because it runs MS Office.

No one doubts that Linux doesn't do Windows well. However, doing Windows well seems to be the brass ring for the distros from what I see. Windows, whether you love it or hate it, is the benchmark by which many users AND creators of the various distros measure the usability and success of Linux because that is where most new Linux users are going to come from.

If a user can try out Mozilla on Windows and then knows the app will run on Linux too, then they already have some basis for understanding Knoppix. Open Office, winamp clones, etc, allow new users to jump right in and get some use out of the OS as well as move their documents, playlists, etc, back and forth without converting formats all the time. My point is, new KNoppix users will be in a transitory period and will be moving back and forth and comparing Knoppix to the OS to which they are familiar.

If I can run Open Office on my Windows box and my Linux box and move files back and forth seamlessly, what would be the benefit of running Koffice on Knoppix and having to convert (or risk a problematic conversion) to use the doc somewhere else?

Knoppix is water wings for the new swimmer. Probono, I fear that you just want to boot them into the pool and let'em sink or swim.

--Paul

I think the most important thing is to reduce redundancy... Here's my take on some of the points raised:

1. CD only, and 1 CD only.
CD is the lowest common denominator. If there really is demand for a DVD version, then I'm sure someone will step up to satisfy it.
1 CD only, and 1 version only as making multiple versions (or a version spanning two CDs) requires too much maintenance.

2. Office Suites
Seems junking one of the two office suites is the easiest way to claim back some space. Personally I don't really care which one goes, and which one stays (going by the arguments given in the last ten pages, there are pros and cons for both).

3. Games
Gotta stay. I've never played any of them yet, but Knoppix is meant to appeal to a wide audience, and not just be 'work'/'rescue'.

4. Various Locale Support
Definately try to keep. Not eveyone has a good command of English of German, and it must be pretty impressive to have KDE in your native language when there isn't even a version of Windows for that language!

5. Development Tools
Keep, reduce redundancy (?), as with office suites.

6. Kernel
Get rid of the 2.4 kernel. I can't think of any real reason to keep it. alongside the 2.6 kernel.

7. All Other Categories
Reduce redundancy wherever possible, although leaving a choice (of two apps) if possible.

Anyway, I hope there's a 3.4 soon...

Now that this thread has reached 10 pages I have noticed that original reason for the post is being ignored. THE BOTTOM LINE, 3.4 will not be released untill 65MB are trimed. Just an idea but maybe we can give our ideas and let those involved in making the product decide the merits and leave the squabling for another thread. We have gotten detoured onto other topics like cd vs. dvd (myself included). lets work as a knoppix community to give our suggestions (for that's all they are) and move on. Most of the posts on this thread spend time debating the opinions of another person (opinions are rarely changed so easily) This is supposed to be a "suggestion box". No one will die if an app they use every now and then, is removed to make this thing fit.

The common consensus (!?!?!) is to get rid of one of the office suites (KOffice or Open Office)... As two are (is?) overkill, and that should go a long way to releasing the required 65 MB. Only there's little agreement on which one should be removed. I 'spose the best thing would be to set up a poll (got to run or I'd try to do it).

Other suggestions are removing
- games (I'm against),
- locales other than English and German (against),
- development tools (against),
- 2.4 kernel (for).

Perhaps it should be part of the poll? Time to go home, will check on this later.

What if there were a game distribution, and an office distribution to pick from? You could pick whatever packages you want after that. Part of the beauty of Linux is that you can acquire virtually anything you want, so get an Office distribution, then apt-get whatever games, and only the games, you want. That way, there would also be plenty of room on both distributions to expand on them in their own direction (i.e. game distribution gets more and better games).

I'm sure people could think of better reasons for doing this too, but this is off the top of my head.

Dustin

Well, if there is a poll, I vote to remove KOffice. Not to put down the KDE developers, but OO is clearly in the lead for now, plus being cross-platform.

If this frees up the 65MB, great, if not, I personally would lose the games and keep the best of apps that are duplicates.
Perhaps keep only one lightweight window manager too?

Mostly I use Mozilla, OO, GIMP, image viewers, gphoto and the diagnostic tools-QTParted, etc.

I doubt that many people use the Live CD version as thier primary OS, so that should also help dicate which programs to keep-
What do we REALLY need on a live CD?

I do like the idea of a script that generates a personally customized version if it can be easily done, but I sure would like to see 3.4 soon!

[OK, everyone start chanting with me so that Klaus himself can hear us . . . .

WE WANT DVD!!!!
WE WANT DVD!!!!
WE WANT DVD!!!!
WE WANT DVD!!!! :wink:[/quote]



WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!! WE WANT DVD!!!!

Oh, and I wouldn't mind killing Mozilla and putting on Firefox. Moz takes just so long to load, and it's...it's too much like Nutscrape to me.

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Originally Posted by chAos

... The 2.6 kernel is what should help me install gentoo onto my raid, but they didn't put in on the 2004.0 live cd (bit stupid IMO).

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The 'smp' kernel on Gentoo 2004.0 is indeed 2.6. I think the normal kernel is 2.4. Once you've booted up, you can pull the gentoo-dev-sources to compile the latest 2.6.x kernel.

Anyway, I am happily running Gentoo with the 2.6.5 kernel, and may not come back to KNOPPIX until its 2.6 kernel supports my Promise SATA controller out-of-the-box. It's kinda had to play with the hdinstall, if I can even see my HD!

Oh yeah, I would thoroughly enjoy a DVD iso, as long as the above requirement is met!

-SUO

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Originally Posted by at88mph

What if there were a game distribution, and an office distribution to pick from? You could pick whatever packages you want after that.

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Come on, Johnny, can you spell MORPHIX?

Regards,
AJG

While that is another option, this is a Knoppix forum. There're plenty of other distributions if you simply wanted to work around the issue as opposed to solve it. Why not allow Knoppix flavours?

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Originally Posted by at88mph

While that is another option, this is a Knoppix forum. There're plenty of other distributions if you simply wanted to work around the issue as opposed to solve it. Why not allow Knoppix flavours?

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Perhaps because there is only one Klaus, so let him work on the one, then anyone else could work on the Ideas that they have. Sorry if I sound like an arse, but the guy only has so much time...

I personally think that he should release it on a DVD [that he could easily remaster into the CD] (but keep the CD as a different version number, so that the enivitable release of an only DVD version wouldn't be so unexpected whenever it finally arrives), that way he won't really have to worry for these type of space constraint options for quite awhile, but then again that is his choice, not mine. But I really hope that he can get the ISO out soon.


P.s. Hey site MODs could we place the headlines back on the Front page again, it saves me some time so I can see if there is any new news when at school.

Or at least announce when 3.4 is out on the front page ya?