Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

I'm definitely against removing development tools, as for one they're invaluable when it comes to remastering (I remaster with the LiveCD), and general testing purposes - if your program crashes, it can't wreck the system.
It's amazing how many people ask on forums of mini-Knoppix remasters (i.e. Damn Small or Feather) for programs like gcc, so a LiveCD with these tools is obviously in high demand.
Also, it helps attract Windows techies and programmers - "Look, you can even compile something from this CD in C, C++, Perl, Python..."

I'll take an in-depth look at the Knoppix package list later and try to give exact packages that in my opinion are merely ancillary.

Right, here's my list of things to remove:

aalib1 and aalib-bin - these are pretty much useless
acroread - this is non-free anyway, and there's xpdf and gv
bb - an ASCII art demo, no real use
bochs - some might want this, but in general people don't use it (this means all bochs packages and bximage)
chromium - On most systems it runs far too slow anyway
dietlibc-dev - This is only needed for those who are perhaps creating bootfloppies with dietlibc
fb-music-high - Does Frozen Bubble really need high-quality music? Can we save space by reducing the quality?
freeciv - This one's debatable, but it's a game
icewm - KDE and Fluxbox are enough IMO
ISDN utils - you could keep these, but I don't know of anyone who uses ISDN nowadays
jpilot - use kpilot
kasteroids, kbattleship
Koffice - reasons have already been mentioned
larswm
lynx - elinks is better, and it's already there
Mozilla - Firebird and Thunderbird are smaller, unless you use the Debian packages...
Nedit - large, and we have just about every other editor anyway
Perl - remove the threads support, it's not often used and makes Perl much bigger
selflinux - if you really had to, you could save around 20Mb doing this
TCT - replace with the Sleuth Kit
vim-gtk - Most people only use the console version (I think...)
vlc-aa - More extraneous ASCII art stuff
xscat
zile - we have Emacs, so we don't need a tiny version of it

I have some things I'd like included as well, but we're trying to save space here, so I'll refrain, except for one thing - I really really think amsn should be included, as lots of Windows users use MSN Messenger, and it has a familiar interface and practically all the features that MSN Messenger does.

I am probably way too late to make any difference here. Anyway, here ti goes:
Those of you who still need the 2.4 kernel have the 3.3 version, and I see no reasons (might be my ignorance) why you would need the 3.4 version. Remove the 2.4 kernel in 3.4.
Some of you don't realize that language is critical, European languages use different keyboards (which is what I am familiar with), meaning that without language support I won't even be able to get the keys on my keyboard right. I don't think Klaus would like an abundance of different ISO's to handle, and local remasters will always be remasters. Leave language support in!

The most sensible thing is to cut applications that serve the same purpose. Konqueror and Mozilla are not such applications, they are both needed. Many text editors however are, but don't cut Emacs. I know many of you love to hate it, but we who belong to the majority use it. PDF viewers were mentioned and in my opinion is a good example, likewise with image viewers, lightweight desktops (those who uses them can easily make the transition, e.g. from window maker to fluxbox). Office suits however is a tough one. MS users get the chills when they see how slow OO (and Mozilla for that matter) loads. Then again OO is more powerful. Keep both!

I think multimedia support on the other hand should be strengthned, cutting out TV card support is stupid. If we want to convince MS users we'd better show them that their fancy hardware is supported, and for todays desktops multimedia support is extremely imortant. For that reason I have been forced to ditch knoppix and rather use overclockix when I want to convince MS users that Linux is a viable alternative (nvidia/ati driver and mplayer included).

At my side - a idea is coming up - I will create maybe an own Live Linux and this will parted in two Live CDs: Zenoppix User and Zenoppix Server

I think from time to time Knoppix has to say this is our target and maybe Knoppix is soon only a base for other specific remasters ... mh .... as other says kde-network suite VS mozilla and koffice VS openoffice and many other duells .... but when I create my own Zenoppix LiveLinux the user will vote/post for the packages and it bases of the next 3.4 DL Edition ;)

Dont get too excited abt 3.4 how many of us have mastered 3.3 :?:

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Originally Posted by Del

... European languages use different keyboards (which is what I am familiar with), meaning that without language support I won't even be able to get the keys on my keyboard right.

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The internationalization (i18n) support contains translations of kde apps and menus to different languages, at the cost of 100 mb. Keyboard layouts and locals (currencies, time formats etc) are not part of the i18n packages and you will not loose any keybord layout by removing any of these.

Remove all languages but a few, in order: english, german, spanish, french, russian and japanese.

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Remove all languages but a few, in order: english, german, spanish, french, russian and japanese.

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True, true (Budweiser style) :D

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Originally Posted by Superstoned

when reading the comments, alot ppl favor removing Koffice and Mozilla, and only having the 2.6.x kernel. guess thats ok, although I prefer Koffice for its speed - but you can always install it after the hdinstall.

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The whole point is that with the HD install, speed is a lesser problem, it is on the live CD that speed is an issue. Leave KOffice, there must be many other ways to regain a mere 65 MB.

The many ideas of a second CD with lesser used development items, other window managers, etc is probably a very good one. This is where an HD install shines, as you can then add these items if you want/need them.
However, the very notion of the live CD version of linux is what makes Knoppix so very attractive. Trim off the fat, keep the main muscle items, and put the rest on the second CD for those who want an HD install.

eeeh, if the ISO is 65Mb tooo large that is almost 250Mb to be removed in apps.
LOTS of trimming.

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Originally Posted by OErjan

eeeh, if the ISO is 65Mb tooo large that is almost 250Mb to be removed in apps.
LOTS of trimming.

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A good point, but still...
Seems to me that that large of a size increase could not have simply snuck up on the developers, it has to also be the inclusion of more apps, more bells and whistles, etc. So, again, trim the fat, make the live CD the best it can be, but move lesser used, slower apps to a second CD, for installation on the HD, and possibly for inclusion on a custom live CD of the users design.

OR, as has been suggested in a backhanded way already, do some redesign (probably for the 3.5 release, as this will take time) such that you have one CD which is the trimmed down live CD, and a second CD which allows for install of it's packages to the HD. The key change is to make it simple for people to create a third CD, which is a custom live CD containing whatever packages they really want/need.
They would start with the original live CD to create a 'barebones' version, then add what they wanted from the other CD, or from the Internet, until they were done, or ran out of room. Here you could build in the option to allow for 650 MB CDs, 700MB, 800MB, or DVD, as the users option. And, as much as possible, include necessary scripting or whatever to optimize the remaster as much as is possible, to reduce speed issues.

Just my $0.02

MildBill

NOTE: As of this time, I have to say that I am NOT a user of Knoppix yet. Since I am a laptop user, I am waiting for the 3.4 release to try it. I have, however, used linux before, so I am not a total newbie. but I am anxious for the 2.6 kernel, and the updated version of KDE before I commit to it.

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Originally Posted by j.drake

Oh, I read it, I just wasn't convinced by it. Didn't mean to insult you, though.

Also, as you pointed out - "We've deliberately ordered them without DVD drives " - they are so mainstream and ubiquitous that you have to take special pains to NOT have one. You made my point for me. Even Celeron computers are being sold with DVD players as standard equipment.

Although it may be true that you had no need for them at the time, the time will come when that won't be the case. I'm not trying to second-guess the wisdom of that decision, but clearly there may be consequences associated with it - among them that you may have to buy replacement drives for them or replace them when an important application like Knoppix goes to DVD.

History shows that software inevitably grows over time, and the distribution media along with it. It's going to happen - it's just an issue of when. . . . . All I'm saying is that the time is now (at least for the option).

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Actually, I think I was a tad mistaken in my point of implying that we said "No, don't include DVD drives." They were an option (not the default), and we chose not to take it. I just went into the Dell sys. configurator, and here's the media drive selector:

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No Optical Device [ Subtract $26.10 ]
48X CD-ROM
48X/32X/48X CD-RW [ Add $27.00 ]
16X DVD with Software Decode [ Add $18.00 ]
48X DVD-CDRW Combo Drive [ Add $72.00 ]
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo,with Roxio Easy CD Creator® and DVD decode [ Add $72.00 ]
8X DVD+RW/+R, Roxio plus Decode [ Add $144.00 ]
48X CD-ROM AND 48X/32X/48X CD-RW [ Add $44.10 ]
48X CD and DVD-CDRW Combo,with Roxio Easy CD Creator® and DVD decode [ Add $90.00 ]
48X CD and 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo,with Roxio Easy CD Creator®/DVD decode [ Add $90.00 ]
16xDVD AND 48X/32X/48X CDRW,with Roxio Easy CD Creator® and DVD decode [ Add $62.10 ]
8X DVD+RW/+R and 48X CD-ROM with Roxio Easy CD Creator® and DVD decode [ Add $153.00 ]
8X DVD+RW/+R and 16X DVD with Roxio Easy CD Creator® and DVD decode [ Add $171.00 ]

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So tell me, when I'm buying 100 new computers, am I really going to spend $1800 more on something I DON'T NEED?

I can buy 2 more computers that I could really use, or close to one server. Forgive me for what might come across as rude, but I really see DVD drives as a 'home user' thing, and the concept of 'all computers have them,' as a gamer/kiddie attitude. Most computers do not need DVD drives - and in a corporate (or academic, but managed with a corporate style) environment, there is simply no need for it. Tell me why an administrative assistant needs to watch movies on her computer? I don't see any useful DVD-ROMs out there today - and to this note I freely admit...I'm a geek who programs for fun, and admins and/or does tech support for work - I'm probably not your average user, and don't care about frilly things.

I just queried my inventory - among approximately 700 computers, we have a grand total of 24 DVD-ROM drives. Of those, 4 were from systems we didn't spec out (and the fool who put that order together insisted on it, despite having no clue about computers), 16 were Apples, so you pretty much have no choice, and the other 4 were miscellaneous, with at least 2 of them glitches in ordering. This boils down to 1.24% of our machines being able to run this fancy DVD distro (properly calculated as 'PCs with DVDs'/'Total computers, not including Apple''). I have at my disposal a sizable population of computers on which I can use Knoppix (for troubleshooting, demonstration, general use [it's so good to have a Linux desktop on hand], or misc. use) - care to tell me why the version I use on these machines shouldn't be the best, most current version? I don't particularly like being excluded like that, and Knoppix is a live CD distro for *everyone*.

P.S. I'm sorry I brought this post back up/took so long - I've been really busy the last couple of days...

I'm not to sure what should be removed to make space but I know that the games shouldn't. Many people who I show knoppix too head straight for them. I also enjoy them. espically enigma.

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I can buy 2 more computers that I could really use, or close to one server. Forgive me for what might come across as rude, but I really see DVD drives as a 'home user' thing, and the concept of 'all computers have them,' as a gamer/kiddie attitude. Most computers do not need DVD drives - and in a corporate (or academic, but managed with a corporate style) environment, there is simply no need for it. Tell me why an administrative assistant needs to watch movies on her computer? I don't see any useful DVD-ROMs out there today - and to this note I freely admit...I'm a geek who programs for fun, and admins and/or does tech support for work - I'm probably not your average user, and don't care about frilly things.

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Currently you have a pont but as prices go down and reliablity goes up DVD will become a much more prominante storage medium with the capacity so much larger then a cd's.
Though right now an all DVD distro isn't practical but as time goes on it will.

Ok just a couple of quick notes and then suggestions before I head off to bed. (sorry I havent posted anything in so long). first three opinions:

#1 Knoppix needs more people actively submitting documentation.
#2 Knoppix needs a bigger, more reliable system for releasing international updated versions. if only one local were released in each ISO. many many MB would be saved. and people would get an ISO in their native language. start to finish.
#3 Maybe Knoppix has something to learn from Morphix. modular packages (maybe put i18n files in separate modules) allow the user to pick the general task the cd is designed for while maintaining all of the aspects that make knoppix so great. be it rescue cd or newbie they get the chioce. also would make kernel selection MUCH easier i would assume.

1.) Knoppix excels extremely well at doing 2 main things.
a.) A linux demonstration for windows users. (read: newbies environment for learning linux, even on extremely old hardware.)

b.) A rescue environment. (Finding faulty hardware, rescuing data, fixing windows, removing viruses (if using one of my old remasters), even on old hardware as well.)

2.) We have to remember that:

a.) MANY people dont have access to new hardware, or where knoppix will be used will be on old hardware (read: rescuing data from a windows 98 machine or old linux server.)

b.) Frequently the users trying linux are people owning an older version of windows who also don't want to pay another $200 for another microsoft OS when they feel that the one they have is adequate (many are mainly sick of the spyware / security risks) . Many people with XP have XP because they didnt mind paying for it or got it pre-installed. (point: dvd-roms are currently not popular enough to use for main distro. start developing a reliable dvd format, filesystem, and ISO / boot system until the dvd-readers / burners become popular enough. as we know... currently the dvd format that was tried had plenty of bugs!)

c.) Most of the people using Knoppix are complete linux newbies.

PROBLEM! The two Main uses for knoppix totally contradict each other as far as what should be included on cd.

IMMEDIATE SOLUTION! keep the duality until there is a better way to divide what stays and what goes. next version. (use polls or whatever). remove the internationalization support (kde-i18n-XX) files for DE from the EN iso and remove the EN from the DE release. people in USA who want to use german or people speaking english in Germany simply download the appropriate version. the locals really deserve their own distro per language because people speaking different languages really deserve to have their primary language used throughout the entire cd. which means that a system to easily remaster a main (EN or DE) version into another local has to be made. that way people speaking italian or french or whatever get the latest and greatest too.

PARTIAL SOLUTION!

For the newbie intro version

Keep 2 of everything and no more. one for fast machines and one for slower. personally im in favor of the following:

window managers: icewm / kde similar design (and program compat.)

Office Editors: OOo - (other program, i only use OOo as its on both my windows machines and linux.) (&GIMP 2 please)

Text editors: (VIM / GVIM - (no alternative for me others would want one though))

Browsers: (mozilla (ive had much better luck with java compat.) and konqueror (part of KDE anyways)

For the Tech / rescue cd:

Get rid of KDE entirely except for the libs (for program compat.) update the kernel and tools. remove games extra editors etc.. add more server programs. apache modules and such. maybe even relegate this task to the realms of morphix which has modular support.

my idea is that i would use morphix if the wide selection of knoppix existed in its modules. for instance. if it had icewm in any of its modules any more. or if i could add an apache module or mysql module to it, etc...

Maybe Klaus and "Alextreme" could get together and make this problem "not exist" VIA using modules to support whatever the user wants... same download size or smaller than 700Mb... keep all of your favorite packages... get the latest and greatest... what a wonderful thing.

oh and for the flamers in the forum... im not interested. i accept criticizim only if its constructive.
I love Morphix
I love Knoppix
I love Linux
and interestingly I Love Windows ( it keeps meals on the table and food in my stomach, im a tech)

I only want to see the positives from both morphix and knoppix combine to solve two problems at once... size of the iso and package selection. and morphix's lack of lots of small modules... im sure we can bring in the knoppix community if maintainence becomes an issue... e-mail me with inquireies.


burnt-toast

>Knoppix excels extremely well at doing 2 main things.

Well, there is a third thing: HD install of Debian.

The Knoppix CD installs Debian on a machine in a simpler and faster way than anything I've used previously.

Not only that, it results in a Debian install which is far slimmer than Mandrake or SUSe (I haven't used these distros for some years now, they might have improved since), and is (mostly) correctly configured for the hardware.

The HD install, then, raises a third set of criteria which is probably more easily fulfilled. ie. anything not on the distro can be obtained via apt-get.;)

As a person somewhat new to linux that knows enough just to squeak by--))) I can 100% agree with the below statements! I have tried many distros and Knoppix is the only one that works right for me, the first time and EVERY time. Infact it performed so well I got another hard drive and now run Linux more than ever with the plan to migrate soon from winblows!

I don't understand all the hype here on what to have on the 3.4 CD and what not to? Even as a newbie I have run Apt-Get and installed Gnomme.

My main concern is the funcionality of the 2.6 kernel in Knoppix 3.4 and that it installs as good as Knoppix 3.3 on my hard drive. The rest I can learn and install with Apt-Get.

Knoppix is the only Distro I have tried so far that runs well on my Sony Vaio 1.4 Ghz Lap Top running wireless 802.11b and my 2.6 Ghz desktop.

Recently I have tried Susie 9.0, Mandrake Comunity 10, Gnoppix .6RC1, and serveral other not so popular Distro's. BUT Knoppix is the Distro that runs right the first time, everytime for me.

Im really looking forward to Knoppix 3.4, but just had to comment as this thread really expresses my thoughts from a Knoppix user (newbie) point of view. In fact Knoppix is the only Disrto I reccomend to others that are wanting to try out Linux.

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>Knoppix excels extremely well at doing 2 main things.

Well, there is a third thing: HD install of Debian.

The Knoppix CD installs Debian on a machine in a simpler and faster way than anything I've used previously.

Not only that, it results in a Debian install which is far slimmer than Mandrake or SUSe (I haven't used these distros for some years now, they might have improved since), and is (mostly) correctly configured for the hardware.

The HD install, then, raises a third set of criteria which is probably more easily fulfilled. ie. anything not on the distro can be obtained via apt-get.;)

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Originally Posted by silvestrij

So tell me, when I'm buying 100 new computers, am I really going to spend $1800 more on something I DON'T NEED?

I can buy 2 more computers that I could really use, or close to one server. Forgive me for what might come across as rude, but I really see DVD drives as a 'home user' thing, and the concept of 'all computers have them,' as a gamer/kiddie attitude. Most computers do not need DVD drives - and in a corporate (or academic, but managed with a corporate style) environment, there is simply no need for it. Tell me why an administrative assistant needs to watch movies on her computer? I don't see any useful DVD-ROMs out there today - and to this note I freely admit...I'm a geek who programs for fun, and admins and/or does tech support for work - I'm probably not your average user, and don't care about frilly things.

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OK, since you asked . . .

1. I think you've ansered your own question again. You made the judgment that you don't need them, but you don't want Knoppix to go to DVD because if it does, you will need one. Sorry, guy, but you're chasing your own tail. Recursive logic simply isn't persuasive to me.

2. Sounds rather paternalistic for you to presume what an administrative assistant does or does not need, just as it sounds paternalistic for you or anyone else to prescribe what others need or don't need in Knoppix. You may think you know, but you don't. Being an admin doesn't make you any more qualified to assess what apps other people need.

3. And while we're on the subject, let's take your argument to its logical conclusion. Why would an administrative assistant need Knoppix? Why would you, as an admin, need Knoppix 3.4 to run on all of these computers? Won't 3.3 serve the function of a rescue disk? Isn't it a home use, or a "playing with" function for you to be able to have the latest incarnation of Knoppix to run on any of these computers?

4. No, watching movies is not necessarily a justification for a DVD drive, but I try lawsuits for a living, and watching DVDs of deposition testimony, editing them, showing them to witnesses, clients and juries, viewing DVDs of continuing education programs, and even pasting clips of movies into professional presentations is very much part of my job duties, thank you, AND my legal assistant's. Heck, even archiving 15 years worth of Word files and PDF images from old cases could be justification for a at least one DVD burner, and DVD readers readers for retrieval on the other computers. And, just as you presume to think that no one in my corporate environment "needs" such functionality, so too do I think that I don't need some admin getting in my way by playing God with what I or my staff do or do not "need". So, hey, if you see representing my corporate client with DVD technology as a "home user" or "kiddie" thing, how 'bout if you ever have to go to court you just handle it yourself, because you and your CD drives are obviously much more qualified than any technology-savvy attorney to determine what you will "need" for your case. PCs are about flexibility and letting users make their own choices, and looking for new ways to use new technology. And if you don't mind me sounding rude, you're demonstrating kind of a luddite attitude for as much of a tech-savvy person as you obviously are. I thought that mindset died with mainframes.

Again, I'm not advocating a DVD for "coolness" - I'm trying to address the issue that the functionality needed (or desired) by a number of Knoppix users doesn't f-ing fit anymore. It would be nice if it did, but it doesn't. The only way to do it now is to go to DVD now with existing CD versions as an alternative, perhaps with infrequent updates.

I understand from a previous message that is would be possible to leave out lots of languages used for menus, manuals, etc. without leaving out the various keyboard mappings, time zones, date and currency formats, and support for different character encodings.

Is that right? If so, that seems like the best solution. I have never met a Knoppix user who would want to read a man page and who wouldn't know English. In fact, even though English is not my native language, I just don't understand computer stuff in other languages than English.

If I can have an "English-speaking" system which doesn't prevent typing accented characters on my local keyboard, I'm happy.

Everybody seems to want Koffice out. Is it really so bad? I have yet to try it, but I'm sure an alternative to OOo is necessary. I hate OOo, which just mimmics all the MS-Word atrocities. If I want to get rid of MS-Word, it's not to get some slow and incomplete copy of it. I have yet to find a good word processor, but please leave alternatives to MS-Word and it's clones in Knoppix!

Hello.... has everyone suddenly dropped about 40 IQ points?

There is a VERY simple solution, so simple that everyone else is already using it.

Knoppix doesn't have to fit on one CD, geddit?

Rip out all the duplicated stuff, geek stuff, and so on, and leave yourself with CD1

On CD2 you put everything you just left out and a bunch more besides, linux newbies will never need CD2, geeks won't have a problem with a 2 CD distro.

Knoppix is NOT damn small linux, it doesn't HAVE to fit on one disk.

Two other points, 700 mb disks only please, lots of older boxes wont run larger.

Big no-no to DVD, it sucks, it encourages bloatware, it assumes everyone is running high end recent hardware (which is TOTALLY against what linux vs windows is all about anyway, linux = a hardware upgrade in performance terms) and most of all it requires not just DVD readers, but DVD burners and expensive (compared to CDR) media.

Please Klaus, don't do it, so far you have done a truly incredible job, don't drop the ball now, a 2 x 700 Mb max CD distro will fit the bill nicely.

My 2c

Da_Brain:

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I can 100% agree with the below statements! I have tried many distros and Knoppix is the only one that works right for me, the first time and EVERY time.

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So kind!

However, I believe that knoppix HD Install is not technically a distro. As I Understand It, Knoppix installs the Debian distro.

The point I was making is that an HD Install version would not need much more than a shoestring installation. Any other applications for this type of install can be cherry-picked off the net (as you point out).

But my experience certainly confirms yours; that installing Debian from Knoppix is the simplest, quickest, most reliable way of installing any distro.

You guys talking about multiple cds (cd1 and cd2) seem to have forgotten that when you boot from the knoppix cd, you can't remove the cd to put in a second cd since many of the apps on the first cd are decompressed on the fly and it needs the first cd in all the time to run the linux os.

Klause, pleas put us out of our misery on this thread and release the old Knoppix 3.4 c't iso so we can get back to complaining about bugs again.

Moustache

Just do something and put the stinkin thing out for cryin out loud.

This is more painfull than watching Lindows screw up the OS every time they do a new release.

Please just take out the least popular things, Leave Mozilla and OO.o in it. Give it a new fresh look, dress up the Icons a little and put it out.

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You guys talking about multiple cds (cd1 and cd2) seem to have forgotten that when you boot from the knoppix cd, you can't remove the cd to put in a second cd since many of the apps on the first cd are decompressed on the fly and it needs the first cd in all the time to run the linux os.

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Well, you can always do a "poor man's install" by copying the Knoppix file from the CD to the HD. That frees up the CD.

Hopefully a 2 disc set would have the mechanism to copy the second disc's core file(s) across too.

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What HD? The whole point of Knoppix is that the hard drive is not needed. There may not be any, or it may be write protected, or NTFS only, or whatever. Requiring the use of a hard drive is not acceptable.

are we going to get any official reponse as to why and when are we going to see 3.4 coming out?

>What HD? The whole point of Knoppix is that the hard drive
>is not needed. There may not be any, or it may be write
>protected, or NTFS only, or whatever. Requiring the use of a
>hard drive is not acceptable.

Well, granted, lack of a hard drive would be a problem!

But with a NTFS system or a write protected system you should be able to copy the knoppix file under dos or windows.

For any other application, one CD should probably give you the tools you need to work with such a system.

We are merely talking about placing marginal applications on a second CD. We are not talking about the entire functionality of the base CD being compomised.

Just a reminder. KDE 3.2.2 will be released within 24 hours. Will it compound this problem? I assume that it will be a minimal impact since it is largely bug fixes, but who knows?

any software i want to use i can apt-get. but moving from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel using apt-get has never worked for me smoothly. i dont care what software come with knoppix, i won't use most of it anyway. livecd is a nice feature, but i use knoppix because its the easiest way to get debian to my harddrive. i have a dvd burner and would use a dvd image if one were available.

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Just a reminder. KDE 3.2.2 will be released within 24 hours. Will it compound this problem? I assume that it will be a minimal impact since it is largely bug fixes, but who knows?

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Now 3.2.2 is out in the wild. Take a look at the change log. Just bug fixes... I guess the overall size hasn't changed much. So it will be nice to have 3.2.2 in knoppix. Now, the problem is still as tough as before, but not tougher...

Cheers...

depending on when knoppix 3.4 is released it may e only 3.2.1 in there as it doesnt matter when kde does releases so much as it depends on when the release make it into debian testing, which currently kde 3.2.1 is still in there

Is this taking too long?

Knoppix is/was hot, Tom's Hardware posted reviews, mentioned on ScreenSavers, Trade shows etc., but now it's flatlined.

Maybe just release someting with KDE 3.2 at least.,
most just want to use it to do a HD install.

I just want to say that this waiting time is totally ok ... as often mentioned was Knoppix 3.4 CeBIT only the first step to 2.6 and some Knoppix improvements. Now Klaus wants to add KDE 3.2 and improves the first bugs and problems to support better and better 2.6.

Now the problems with the packages is coming up - this already killed me in developing a new Kix Version. :? But more Features more Space needed so there is no way out and Klaus searches now the best way!

The only good way to tell Klaus your ideas - but please only when they are really helpfull is this way: http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermai...ate.html#start

If we have to wait too long...

...it will be time to put 3.4 off some more, while we get the 2.7 kernel and KDE 4.0 ready!!!

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"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insuficiently advanced." - Geek's Corolary to Clarke's Law

Being a Linux novice (not quite a newbie :wink: ) I have a question.

So far the distro's I've tried(CeBit & Danix) with the 2.6 Kernel don't work on my laptop (HP Pavilion 4115). By don't work I mean locks up during boot.

Knoppix has always worked great for me. Should I assume that since the other distro's locked up that Knoppix 3.4 with the 2.6 Kernel will also lock up or am I underestimating Klaus's Kung-Fu :P

Thanks for any insight

Robert

OK, calm down guys and dolls. Give Klauss a break! Its not like we haven't benefitted from his magic for years now. Give him time, he and his team will release it when its ready!

Use 3.3 in the mean time, otherwise, break it up, nothing to see here...

Regards,
AJG

Well it looks as though LaTeX and Koffice may get removed. Some of you will be happy about this, but I'm sad to see Koffice going.

If you want to see what's holding up the 3.4 release, then you should look at the following link.

http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermai...il/004988.html

Ooh, I'm looking forward to the "Lots of new usability features and gimmicks" more than anything :) I'm still on Windows primarily because of things like this. KDE 3.2.2 will be nice, too.

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Originally Posted by aay

Well it looks as though LaTeX and Koffice may get removed. Some of you will be happy about this, but I'm sad to see Koffice going.

If you want to see what's holding up the 3.4 release, then you should look at the following link.

http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermai...il/004988.html

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Was just about to post the same link :) Well work is continuing (so a CD 3.4 should be out *soon* but-don't-hold-your-breath), and many will be happy to hear that an updated DVD isp lanned.

Great, anyone here, who is not holding the *sacred$ secret of when the iso's are goin' to be reseased? I'm expecting it to be soooooon .....

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Great, anyone here, who is not holding the *sacred$ secret of when the iso's are goin' to be reseased? I'm expecting it to be soooooon .....

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No one knows except Klaus. If you look at the date on his post, you'll see it's April 20th and he said it should be out in "a few days" so I'm hoping that it will be out by the end of the week. Nevertheless, note well his remark that "It's ready when it's ready."