klik: point-and-klik software store for Knoppix

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Originally Posted by probono

Fabian, I have some reasons why I made *K*li*K* a *K* thing. For one, kdialog gets some really powerful new features soon (file and directory browsing,...). Second, the beauty of a link like klik:/BibEdit is that it is *really* easy to remember (and type - no need to go to the klik store page if you know what you want). Unlike (sorry to use your example, but it shows where this would lead to...) http://studwww.ira.uka.de/~s_franz2/...hp?run=BibEdit

That's why I prefer the KDEized solution as it is now. But as always, discussion is open :)

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No, it would be:

http://klik.berlios.de/?run=BibEdit

Or:

http://klik.berlios.de/BibEdit

I don't think its difficult and it gives other distros the chance to use this ... (Your wine program isn't limited to KDE)

And to have it also on gnome ...

kdialog _sucks_ in my eyes as it is in no way compatible with dialog/Xdialog and has KDE as dependancy, which has the problems to limit the usage ...

The beauty of knoppix also it that it can be used (on remasters) with gnome, with icewm, and so on ...

And the Mozilla-Integration is as I've shown fairly easy ...

Talking about user-experience also includes imho to have transparency and the users choice ...

cu

Fabian

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Originally Posted by probono

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Originally Posted by Fabianx

Check for possible security flaws!!! (Also for konqueror! Perhaps use perl with -T ?)

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Yes, I am security-minded, too. The security check would have to go into the KDE klik protocol handler file. Can you help me on this please? I'm not such a unix guru that I could foresee most potential cracker attacks...

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Most potential is to get a shell to do certain commands ...

So I believe the check must go into ~/.klik ...

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Btw, it's not about "winning". It's about user experience :) I know that you are the better coder (see Knoppix on Mac) - but I believe I think more from an end-user's perspective. Hope you accept this from me.

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Well I had a terrible week with too less sleep (At the moment I can't sleep well and don't know why ...) and was working on my one also hard (last week) and then you come and give a better suited solution... :-(

Well and that Knoppix on Mac was nothing special ...

I nowadays don't have the time to work on it ...

Well the next project for you would be to improve the hd-installer ... :-)

I'm fairly sure, you can find many things that should be changed for end users ... :-(

Well, I think I'l retire :-) ;-) ..

cu

Fabian (a bit frustrated and overloaded with other work for study and writing again some articles ...) :-(

kudos for klik. ran it and downloaded several apps. worked like a charm! keep up the good work!

OK, I have a pile of old PCs networked together. None of these PCs have working hdds, so with 128MB, a Pentium class motherboard and a bootable CDROM drive, I figured I'd network them together just booting off CDs.

Now my kids will kill me if klik doesn't work with some LAN party style games.

Can you please add some or all of the the following to the klik store?

bzflag
bzflag-server
freecraft
quake2
quake2-data
penguin-command (not LAN party, but good)

TIA,
AJG

Games are not so easy to make work unless the new Knoppix with overlay filesystem comes out. penguin-command, for example, just dies and says "Couldn't load /usr/share/games/penguin-command/gfx/icon.png". No wonder when it is all inside ~/PenguinCommand/...

For KDE apps, I have solved this problem by setting the KDEDIRS variable in the wrapper. Btw, does anyone know how to do the same for GNOME apps?

probono,

I am thinking about how to add the following packages to the klik repository.

ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/....92-2_i386.deb
ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/...2-0.0_i386.deb

The first package includes codecs for mplayer for such things as wma/v and quicktime. The second is a browser plugin for mozilla (which konq can also use) to be able to view/listen to streams that are embeded into the browser (as most quicktime and wma/v stuff is). I think these two packages would compliment your kpackage recipe quite well as they are pretty nice for checking out movie trailers and such. I toyed around with writing my own klik recipe, but these aren't really apps they are just various codecs and a browser plugin for mplayer/kplayer. This being the case, it might be better to add these to your kplayer recipe.

From what I can see the mplayer-mozilla plugin should simply be extracted to ~/.mozilla/plugins

Assuming that someone has used your kplayer recipe, the w32codecs should simply be placed in ~/KPlayer/usr/lib/win32

In any event this would really compliment kplayer/mplayer well. I'm just unsure about the way implement it. Write new recipies or add these to kplayer? Thoughts?

Adam

Greetings all,

Here is just a little shortcut I find useful.

On the KDE desktop right click --> create a new text file -->
name it KLIK --> open with an editor and add the two lines

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#!/bin/bash
wget klik.berlios.de/client/install -O -|sh

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save it --> right click properties --> Permissions-->
Check all Exec boxes

To reach klik just click it.

Thanks to eadz's suggestion konqueor opens.

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P.s., 1st suggestion; after installing it, how bout opening up a konqueror to the page?

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Hopefully kilk will have a nice place on the KNOPPIX menu.

Best Wishes,
paradocs

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Originally Posted by probono

Games are not so easy to make work unless the new Knoppix with overlay filesystem comes out. penguin-command, for example, just dies and says "Couldn't load /usr/share/games/penguin-command/gfx/icon.png". No wonder when it is all inside ~/PenguinCommand/...

For KDE apps, I have solved this problem by setting the KDEDIRS variable in the wrapper. Btw, does anyone know how to do the same for GNOME apps?

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You can patch the binary ...

Yes, we did this all the way in Kanos and mine scripts and it did work quite well...#

for tuxkart for example:

perl -pi -e 's|/usr/share/games/tuxkart|./../share/games/tuxkart|' $DESTDIR/games/tuxkart

And it works ...

So add a line, patch ? ;-)

cu

Fabian

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Originally Posted by aay

ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_0.92-2_i386.deb
ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/...2-0.0_i386.deb
From what I can see the mplayer-mozilla plugin should simply be extracted to ~/.mozilla/plugins. Assuming that someone has used your kplayer recipe, the w32codecs should simply be placed in ~/KPlayer/usr/lib/win32

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You are absolutely right, these should go into the kplayer recipe. I Tried to do this from the beginning, but I got the problem that I found no way to recognize mplayer/kplayer the libraries in ~/KPlayer/usr/lib/win32 - it seems to me mplayer has to be recompiled (which I won't do to just to change a path - every different username would do this again). If this is really the case we should write the mplayer developers so that they include a environment variable, e.g. $WIN32LIBS to be ckecked at runtime.

But as I read now from Fabian, it is possible to patch binaries... I always thought I needed to compile for this (since Kano does so most of the time). I will investigate this and then we could also have the win32 codecs :)

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Originally Posted by Fabianx

for tuxkart for example:

perl -pi -e 's|/usr/share/games/tuxkart|./../share/games/tuxkart|' $DESTDIR/games/tuxkart

And it works ...

So add a line, patch ? ;-)

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Fabian, you are best!!! Thanks a lot :)
(No, I didn't really examine your code, sorry... will do)

Just for my understanding: would

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cat $DESTDIR/games/tuxkart | sed s@/usr/share@../share@ > $DESTDIR/games/tuxkart.patched

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also work or must it be perl?