Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

I was wondering whether wine would be included in 3.4 since it's not on the CeBIT remastered edition?
It would be great to have captive, and wine as well as all of the other goodies on the disc at once.

As for software to remove i can see that there are many redundant packages, ie web browsers, shells, editors.
Someone suggested removing Konqueror but I would put my vote against that! I use it to browse files and the web mainly, I don't even bother with epiphany or mozilla(unless I'm running pages with applets).

While I've noticed a few valid arguments on all sides, there is one application that has been completely overlooked. KAtomic. It is probably the only important application in knoppix. I know it's the reason i gave up on windows, it is simply incredible. F*k Frozen Bubble, KAtomic is all thats necessary. get rid of koffice, open office, mozilla, etcetera etcetera, just give me KAtomic. I mean have any of you guys tried it? thank god i can type all this out because I'm left speechless when thinking about it. I would get rid of whatever might keep KAtomic out of 3.4. Heck i would make a KAtomic only distro, get rid of everything but KAtomic, I realize ATI driver support is nice, but I say get rid of both kernel 2.4 and 2.6 if it would result in KAtomic making a return. My vote, for 3.4, strip it down to just a command line and KAtomic.

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Originally Posted by aay

Well it looks as though LaTeX and Koffice may get removed. Some of you will be happy about this, but I'm sad to see Koffice going.

If you want to see what's holding up the 3.4 release, then you should look at the following link.

http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermai...il/004988.html

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KOffice is definitely vastly improved, but still seems to not be quite as compatible with MS documents as openoffice.org is. For instance, tables and figures in word documents don't seem to work too well in KOffice. For documents with just text it works well though.

/* Thinking out aloud */

Does anyone
- Run a web server from the CD-distro?
- Compile software from the CD-distro?

It is my guess
- Apache is run from a Hd install, probably with an internet connection and could be installed through apt-get.
- Development packages and gcc are not for newbies, who prefer apt-get, but rather experienced users on a Hd install.

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Does anyone
- Run a web server from the CD-distro?
- Compile software from the CD-distro?

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YES!!

I'm running a Lucent WinModem with dial-up, and I need to compile the modem drivers. Without this, I can't connect to the Internet. :shock:

I use gcc from liveCD all the time and so do my students!

Regards,
AJG

PS Don't kill TEX!

Hi,
thank you for Knoppix. I love it. It's a great tool and a wonderful gift to anyone insterested in Linux. I give all my old versions away and have to start burning lots of current ones. Which brings me around to finding out about new versions. I am always pleased to get my e-mail notification from Kernel.org of the new kernel. Would this be something you might consider for Knoppix? (or have you already done so and I've missed it?)

I see some people think the web browser should be replaced . Opera is small maybe an alternative.

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Originally Posted by Robin T Cox

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Does anyone
- Run a web server from the CD-distro?
- Compile software from the CD-distro?

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YES!!

I'm running a Lucent WinModem with dial-up, and I need to compile the modem drivers. Without this, I can't connect to the Internet. :shock:

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I also need gcc for the Lucent WM (I know that asking for the 2.6.x kernel headers is too much, but sooner or later it will happen :) ) and other stuff too, mostly in emergencies.

And NO, I don't need to run a web server. Maybe someone has to, but my imagination tries hard to find a reason to run it from knoppix.

Cheers...

I use GCC quite a bit, so I wouldnt like to see that get canned.

As far as opera, I dont think Knoppix should replace Opensource freeware apps with adware supported apps.

i actually use gcc from cd to do things so... KEEP IT!

Fabian,

Is all this any help?

How soon d'yer reckon before 3.4 is released?

<Thinking aloud>

Wonder if it would be better if Klaus compiled the kernel source or headers into a .deb or (even better, a tarball) file that we could install ourselves thru a script in case we need to compile additional modules against the source or headers? The headers don't take much space when compressed into a deb. or even a tar file. With a script,we could untar the header to use for compiling stuff. This would be 2 tarfiles; one for 2.4 and one for 2.6 kernels. The source code might be a problem installing when running from a cd, but the headers shouldn't be a problem.

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Does anyone
- Run a web server from the CD-distro?
- Compile software from the CD-distro?

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The way I got turned onto Knoppix was in College in my CS classes. I would use Knoppix at home when I couldn't get to the college comptuer lab to do lab work. In fact in addition to gcc it would be nice to get the lam(mpi) libraries included at some point :-) (Are they included on the DVD version?)

So I think knoppix should definately be kept as College friendly as possible to help introduce a new generation to Linux.

Robert

If I click on one of the links I get "No input file specified." maybe a good sign? or maybe I'm clicking the wrong link.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
These are the links to the servers I was talking about

Interesting, nvgringo. I get the same when clicking on any US mirrors. I didn't try any others. Maybe they're moving some new ISO's to the mirrors. That'd keep us busy through the w/e, then we'd be asking when 3.5 was going to be available.

BR

I swear somebody posted a link to a utility that searches for duplicate files then replaces then with links to cut down on remastering size. If I'm not loosing my mind :twisted: , can some please repost the link?

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Originally Posted by MongooseNX

In fact in addition to gcc it would be nice to get the lam(mpi) libraries included at some point :-)

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For what is worth, LAM and MPICH are included in the Quantian live cd :)

Cheers...

Well, when I heard that LaTex might bite the dust in KNOPPIX I started looking at QUANTIAN. This liveCD is amazing. Its based on clusterKNOPPIX so you can setup an openMOSIX cluster in no time and has tons of math/science apps!

Regards,
AJG

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Originally Posted by A. Jorge Garcia

Well, when I heard that LaTex might bite the dust in KNOPPIX I started looking at QUANTIAN. This liveCD is amazing. Its based on clusterKNOPPIX so you can setup an openMOSIX cluster in no time and has tons of math/science apps

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It's a cool cd. It has a more complete TeX system than the one on knoppix. And if you think that there is not enough software in a cd, this guy has a 'kitchen sink' dvd version of Quantian :) Anyway, I stick to the cd.

Cheers...

I dont know if everyone has seen the link which Fabian posted on another thread, but the CeBit remaster of 3.4 is here:
ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix-remastered/

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Originally Posted by Uvegeez

I swear somebody posted a link to a utility that searches for duplicate files then replaces then with links to cut down on remastering size. If I'm not loosing my mind :twisted: , can some please repost the link?

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You need to get hold of the script called "freedups". It replaces duplicate files with symlinks I think. Search for it online.

so, is that remastered edition the same, as the one we expect soon? I've got one like that and want to know, is that I've got the same as that, last posted? It's with orange wallpaper and it contains gimp 1.2 and koffice... so where's the difference between 3.3 and 3.4 ct?

HEEYYYYY the isos are being uploaded to the mirrors RIGHT NOW! Get there and shoot them with your mouses as fast as you can! I'm waitin' till they are ready!!!!!

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Originally Posted by gromeo

HEEYYYYY the isos are being uploaded to the mirrors RIGHT NOW! Get there and shoot them with your mouses as fast as you can! I'm waitin' till they are ready!!!!!

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Nope, its not as far as I can see.

cu

Fabian

But there is no access to the mirrors, why - I think they are overloaded with uploading... there's no other reason that the mirrors are blocked... except - knopper.net site is broken, the links are broken, but I actually have connection with every server - but from different location. False alarm, everybody, the 3.4 isos are still not ready... wait, wait, wait... a week ot two... I'm tired of waitin'!! Can't Klaus come and tell us when it will be ready? Is this too hard?

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Originally Posted by gromeo

But there is no access to the mirrors, why - I think they are overloaded with uploading... there's no other reason that the mirrors are blocked... except - knopper.net site is broken, the links are broken, but I actually have connection with every server - but from different location. False alarm, everybody, the 3.4 isos are still not ready... wait, wait, wait... a week ot two... I'm tired of waitin'!! Can't Klaus come and tell us when it will be ready? Is this too hard?

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hey, you know how life works here - its ready when its ready. not even a second faster. and no-one knows when its ready, only God. maybe. (probably not) ;-)

I do not agree. It's very... well, why? Why? Why? It's so sad... I have to chek every 5 minutes at the knoppix site! Is there any e-mail notification possible?

Does anyone know what has happened to the links to the mirrors?

I only get "No input file specified" whichever link I try.

I have accessed the UK mirror directly and it appears to be fine, so what's happened to the links?

I get the same results here, but you can access the Knoppix ftp areas if you go through the main sites. Haven't found 3.4 yet...

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Originally Posted by hkfczrqj

For what is worth, LAM and MPICH are included in the Quantian live cd :)

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Thanks hkfczrqj, I'll have to give this Quantian a looking at. Maybe after they update to the new knoppix 3.4 kernel :-)

Robert

I hope this waiting is worth it.

Take out KOffice, I don't care. Just put in a kickass wallpaper. The latter versions of knoppix 3.3 had an okay wallpaper. I expect something like the 3.2 wallpaper!

Have to do something while we are waiting, so I've ordered a copy of the Suse 9.1 LiveCD.. at least I have that to look forward to.

Distrowatch have a download link to it if you are interested..

regards

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"If you have nothing to do, don't do it here!"

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Originally Posted by reub2000

Take out KOffice, I don't care. Just put in a kickass wallpaper. The latter versions of knoppix 3.3 had an okay wallpaper. I expect something like the 3.2 wallpaper!

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Yeah, if 3.4 doesn't have kickass wallpaper then I'm sticking with Windows for good!

:P

I'm still mad knoppix doens't have a paper-clip animation to help me.

:lol:
Robert

Do you know if 3.4 will include the new xfce4?

Oh, it's so quiet - as Bjork used to sing... :)

Seems to me we are looking into 3.4 release sometime in MAY? Am I right Fabian?

BTW, for quite some time now in my home LUG forum there have been repetitive problems with Knoppix HDD install (2004-02-09 and 2004-02-16). The install script does not install ifupdown, whereas eth0 settings are lost every time one reboots the machine. After #apt-get install etherconf, the bug is gone (etherconf installs ifupdown as part of the install process), but newbies have a hard time going around this. Perhaps someone could check this befere 3.4 is out?

Best regards,
Smith

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Originally Posted by Howard

Does anyone know what has happened to the links to the mirrors?

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The redirector is broken. You can still get to a mirror by editing the link and chopping off everything up to the actual mirror's site name. PV

Here it is! The best way to make room on the Knoppix CD! Remove the bloat: KDE, Emacs, Mozilla. This would save tons of space!

Instead, include WindowMaker, OpenOffice, nano (www.nano-editor.org; why isn't this already in Knoppix?) and Firefox.

Note. I realize this is a fantasy request. If I have a few hours to spare one night, I will remaster Knoppix 3.4 into NoppiX = (no KDE; includes LaTeX). WindowMaker by default. Remastering is the number two reason KNOPPIX is great!