I agree with most of the posters on this board; KOffice should be taken out as well as Mozilla in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. I have to also agree that the games are useless and take up space.
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I agree with most of the posters on this board; KOffice should be taken out as well as Mozilla in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. I have to also agree that the games are useless and take up space.
I disagree and think that the games should be kept. espically enigma
Mozilla should stay as well as Firefox. What needs to be cut is every wm besides for kde. If someone wants gnome, that's what gnoppix is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by swooshtika
Nano needs to be included, and I'm guessing it's not that big. However, save your WindowMaker for your Noppix.Quote:
Instead, include WindowMaker, OpenOffice, nano (www.nano-editor.org; why isn't this already in Knoppix?) and Firefox.
:lol:Quote:
I'm still mad knoppix doens't have a paper-clip animation to help me.
This page started off real helpfull.
fabianx, what are th chances of a bare-bones version of 3.4 being made available?
by bare-bones, i mean minimal cloop system; no k*, no x*, no OO, just a bootable cloop system. like the old model_k.
would it be difficult to make this available?
i think that if that were available, there would be spectacular progress in task-oriented flavors of knoppix. the strip down of a full knoppix is pretty time consuming, as i am sure that you know.
how about this. knoppix comes as just the very basic knoppix-specific parts, ie hardware detection etc. along with this would be a new program that would display a list of free/open source software along with a short description of each and a link to the project's website. a person downloads this core setup, runs that program, selects what packages they want, then it fetches the packages from repositories and creates an .iso file ready for burning. this would kill all the kde vs gnome, cd vs dvd, whatever vs whatever birds with one stone. the iso maker would have multiple prefab sets of package selections a user could pick, ie a gnome knoppix, a kde one, a server one, office productivity one, game one, whatever. so downloading and burning knoppix would only take a couple mouse clicks longer than it currently does for most people.
I would like to have a knoppix iso even if it's larger than 700 Mb because I use it on a DVD along with windows 98, 2000, xp, 2003 and the space is not a problem. So, if it is ready and over 700 Mb I still want it as it is. Maybe others will want it also (to put on a DVD or to put on an overburned CD - 800 Mb)
Thanks.
It can be difficult to install packages because of dependencies. Also, settings are lost. For example try to apt-get open-office: Menu Fonts are small, Language packs??? ...
Please put stripped software and its dependent packages for download on the server (for easy installing via dpkg / apt-get)
Ok, I can understand the fact that deadlines slip away. But:
- 3.4 was supposed to be avail. immediately after CeBiT. For some reason, only a re-master of the CeBiT version emerged.
- Then, after CeBiT is was supposed to be avail in two weeks. It's been over a month.
- A week a go, Klaus himself said basically that he needs to get rid of 65 megs (or whatever) and the thing will be ready in "a few days".
Again, I can understand that (self-proclaimed !) ETAs slip and "it's ready when t's going to be ready". But not like this..
Common. Remove KOffice, LaTeX and whatnot and release it already !
(Frustrated new forum user. Btw, hello all :) )
Klaus is a liar!!!!
Klaus, aren't you? Prove it!!!
I know you guys are eager for this new release - as I am, but let's keep it positive. This forum is generally one of the most positive, well mannered and helpful that I've been on.Quote:
Klaus is a liar!!!!
Klaus, aren't you? Prove it!!!
Knoppix is cool, so lets keep the high standard and not bring it down by slagging these guys who invented the stuff that we all enjoy.
Klaus said, that it will be ready in few days.. now - few weeks.. what's next? Few months????!!!
Klaus, I suggest you keep your promises. Micro$oft cheat all the time, so I've expected something different from YOU!!!
If I kill somebody, I'll be a killer. So, I think Klaus is a liar. Let him prove I'm wrong! Klaus, put tha thing on da servers!!!
Hey,
Bill Gates can afford to pay an army of developers.
Let's try to keep Klaus sweet.
No point in getting Klaus' hackles up.
We don't want him to say "Stuff yous all, you can bloody well wait."
Two weeks is enough time to build Knoppix 4.0, I think. 8)
Sorry, I'm a bit angry. Forgive me.
I agree! Let's keep this positive.
What Klaus and this group have achieved is amazing.
If you want a fair comparison of delivery times -- take a look at some other groups.
The Debian group has just announced that the Sarge release won't be available anytime in 2004.
I was a long time Red Hat (and RHN) user -- over 9 years. Linux package updates and new packages would not be included in a RH distribution for over a year. Currently, they are back porting features to the 2.4 kernel instead of moving to 2.6 kernel.
Microsoft's Longhorn has slipped so many times that competitors are calling it LATEhorn.
I use the Knoppix CD to demo Linux to those afraid of an install. I also use the Knoppix CD to boot, then knx-hdinstall.
Should there be a vote after a list of packages for the chopping block have been suggested?
I appreciate Klaus and company allowing us to comment and critique from the sidelines like a Sunday afternoon armchair quarterback.
I also appreciate his directions on how to build your own distribution.
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Originally Posted by gromeo
Whoa there bud!! Angry? What in the world for?? Because someone is a tiny bit late in GIVING you a completely free technical product?? Ugh!
I'm still looking for somewhere to donate to the knoppix crew. I was told I should support Knoppix by supporting Debian. Gotta tell you tho - I'm not nearly as impressed with Debian developers as I am with the Knoppix crew. These people deserve all the support we can put together......
rw
Exactly!!!! Knoppix is the greatest, every release is more polished than the previous. That's why there are about 40 different flavors of Knoppix out there waiting for the next release, so they can release their new versions :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by rickwinters
Knoppix needs a Pay-Pal donate button on the site!! I'd Give, I'm sure many others would also.
Robert
Same here. Fabian, could you propose this off-line to Klaus ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MongooseNX
Or maybe someone else here who is already subscribed to debian-knoppix ? (OK, I admit,I'm lazy)
You definitively must have meant "frustrated". Don't worry, a lot of us feel frustrated (some more, some less). Just keep it cool and civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by gromeo
You do know the a good majority of the packages on the CD and almost all of the bandwidth after install comes from Debian right??Quote:
Originally Posted by rickwinters
you know, most of the shit you guys are spouting is just flaming.
it's ridiculous.
chill out, get a life.
it will
be ready right after it's finished.
>it will be ready right after it's finished.
Yeah.
At the moment I've got the bandwidth to download it.
In a couple of weeks I'm going to be out in the sticks with a dodgy phone line and a 14.4 connection.
Hurry, please Klaus!
;)
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Originally Posted by Stephen
I'm very aware that the base system is Debian. Debian has not come to grips with modern installers and other goodies. That's precisely why there are scores of distros based on it.
The base Debian distro is really deficient in commonly accepted modern features.
rw
Ah your one of them if you cannot click a button it's no good.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickwinters
Hmm. Have you seen the new Debian installer? It's pretty slick. Much easier than the old one. A few distros are using it already although it's not been officially released yet. I did an install with Skole Linux and it was very simple and easy to install.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickwinters
There is a reason that a large number of distro's base off of Debian. It's solid, simple and works well. They have decided, through generally democratic ways, on what should be done with the distro, but don't stop people from extending that. I use stock debian on most of my machines, just installed a text only one on my laptops's spare HD the other day, and get exactly what I want.Quote:
I'm very aware that the base system is Debian. Debian has not come to grips with modern installers and other goodies. That's precisely why there are scores of distros based on it.
The base Debian distro is really deficient in commonly accepted modern features.
I've installed Xandros on a client's system recently, and it was simpler then installing any windows app in exsistence, especially windows itself, and adding programs is dead simple too( and it's all based on debian, so therefore apt to do this ). If you have a good base to stand on, a good product is easier to make.
Debian is to Knoppix, what Knoppix is to all the other Bootable CD's based off of it... a starting point.
Anyway...
Enjoy!
dJCL
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Originally Posted by Stephen
<grins> There's a real good possibility that I was programming before you were born. Or are you a relic like me? Remember CPM? S100 Bus? $400.00 USD Z80 CPU's?
The point I'm making is that simple, reliable operating systems are fine; but so was the Model T. It's nice to learn to do manual things but this is '04, and I like good usable, modern tools built for productivity.
If you want to rub two sticks together to start your fire....go for it and more power to you. I prefer the microwave. :-) Variety and tolerance are the spice of life.....
rw
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Originally Posted by aay
Are you taking about the curses-like Beta3 installer for Sarge? I did an install with that once -- reminded me of Redhat 4.2. Just not my thing. There are several GPL full graphical installers available that Debian could integrate into their distro with comparitively little effort -- the beta3 installer sure seems like a waste of time from my perspective.
Gotta say tho - I sure enjoy Debian when it's configured and running. It's easy to see why people like it so much. Also, Synaptic is very sweet -- it's the kind of forward thinking tool I really enjoy.
rw
You start fires with your microwave? Yowsa!Quote:
Originally Posted by rickwinters
microwaves are good for firemaking, just put micro-popcorns on full effect for 5 min:-D, my nice did that:-(. lucky for us we where in the kitchen so... but the smell :-P
Looks like it may be coming this weekend!
http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermai...il/005085.html
Whilst one hears well the call of self-restraint over issuing of a new, unfinished distribution, every so often the opposition presents a 24-carat golden opportunity for a penguin take-over. Historically, such events have been missed just because Linux is not a commercial operation and does not benefit(?!) from cutting edge marketing advice and funding.
This week, an extremely serious security boundary error problem in 'doze, transcending the legions of previous flaws, was highlighted by Secunia. Moreover, it was signalled to affect all versions, leading to widespread vulnerability.
This may cloud the issue somewhat concerning K3.4 and other pending kernel 2.6 releases? If they can be brought forward with fanfares ASAP, they might enjoy a free ride on the back of the woes of others? This is the normal strategy operating in the world of evil capitalists. The difference is that they have few qualms about the quality and timeliness of their products, and no constraint over marketing budget in such circumstances.
Weighty decisions indeed.
OG.
Fabian:Quote:
Originally Posted by bamarob
Is it likely to happen? C'mon man, give us an insider scoop ;)
Thanks,
Smith
Did you guys know that sometimes silence can be deafening?
Now what is wrong with everyone here? No posts for two days? Fabianx - not a single line? ;)
Say someting, I am already going nuts.
smith
yup dead silence. Im going nutz too, i wanna do a hd install with 3.4 goddamnit! :)
Well knoppix 3.4 may not be on the mirrors but at least now all the redirects to the mirrors work so you don't have to type in the address manually. Now I can easily check to see if its ready :wink:
I don't know if someone has noticed that this post has been viewed almost 59 THOUSAND times. Does anyone realize what this means once the release is up on the mirrors... ;) That the bandwidth will be bursting full stream, non stop for at least a week if not more. Poor mirrors. :)
One thing keeps me sane though - if Fabianx has no time to read/visit the forum, he is most likely doing the finishing touches with Klaus to make this weekend part of the next release name (Knoppix-3.4-2004-05-02) - oh, how I wish this were true... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Smith
Yes, 59,000 views is pretty amazing. That's what you get with 59 obsessive-compulsive knoppix fans checking the forum every two minutes to see if 3.4 is out. :D This is my 496th time checking, so I am a little behind the average, but I will catch up before the weekend is over.
:D Howdy All,
I would remove KOffice and some of the low graphics games and create Language-specific .iso images. Also, get rid of all the media players except MPlayer, Xine, and XMMS.
Choice is good, and perhaps a "got everything" DVD would be cool. Since we are limited to CDROM image size, getting rid of older, less capable software would be good.
I have been remastering and shrinking Knoppix since the beginning and I use only KDE and XFCE for desktops to save space on my mini-knoppix (<210MB) distros. The other desktops are unecessary unless you must have Fluxbox.
Overall, I would rather see Knoppix get smaller than larger. Specialization of the image is a great idea and some simple scripts can help just about anyone to create a new, customized image that has only the software wanted...
Kevin
I never really understood the real purpose for fluxbox. Does anyone here use it? What for?? :?:
Thanx!