Knoppix 3.8 released at CeBIT

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03-02-2005, 10:38 PM
probono

Knoppix 3.8 released at CeBIT

"The German tech news site Heise Online reports that Knoppix 3.8 is being presented at CeBIT (Hall 9, Stand C39). Knoppix 3.8 has kernel 2.6 as default, KDE 3.3.2, OpenOffice 1.1.4, as well as... Firefox 1.0 and Thunderbird 1.0. There's also a really neato new thing involving unionfs . It seems to imply that you can change most anything on the running system, even as it is running from CD - and changes can be stored too (even on NTFS)."

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/0...tid=90&tid=106

Let's hope that the download will be available beforehand so that people won't have to travel to CeBIT just in ordert to get the recent release in time.

Greetings,
probono
03-02-2005, 11:58 PM
Harry Kuhman

Re: Knoppix 3.8 announced for CeBIT

Quote:

Originally Posted by probono

Let's hope that the download will be available beforehand ....

My expectation is just the opposite, 3.8 will be used as a draw for the show and so it will be very unlikely that it will be available beforehand. I just hope that is will be available legitimately shortly after the release (unlike the DVD version of 3.7 which didn't seem to see quick release through legitimate channels).
03-05-2005, 04:12 PM
Daeve

Is there anywhere that hosts daily builds of Knoppix on the net that can be tested out, like other distributions and open source software often have? Or is more tightly controlled?
Looking forward to trying 3.8 with respect to using it as a rescue disk - hope it has improved NTFS read capability as previous versions seem to be able to read about 60% of an NTFS disk and then hang in deep directory structures, when trying to copy to another FAT32 drive/partition.
Its been a few years since I dabbled in Linux and Knoppix liveCD is just what I wanted back then but got frustrated that there was nothing this easy to use.
03-06-2005, 01:18 PM
JSantos

KDE 3.3.2?

Why Not KDE 3.4 ? KDE 3.4 will be released in March ...
03-06-2005, 08:02 PM
Harry Kuhman

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSantos

Why Not KDE 3.4 ? KDE 3.4 will be released in March ...

Just a guess, but I expect because they are getting it ready and testing everything now (if it has not already gone to get CD's pressed). It's not very reasonable to be critical that they don't want to delay things too long, add new software, and not be able to test completely before a release deadline that they can't move.
03-06-2005, 08:18 PM
probono

Hi all,

there is already a screenshot of Knoppix 3.8 in the recent print edition of the c't magazine, so my guess would be that it's already finished for quite some time.

Seems indeed as if it will be the same procedure as in the past years: We won't see it when it's ready, we'll see it when Klaus Knopper wants us to see it. That is of course his own decision, and it's up to us whether we like it.

Greetings,
probono
03-08-2005, 12:58 AM
Fabianx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Kuhman

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSantos

Why Not KDE 3.4 ? KDE 3.4 will be released in March ...

Just a guess, but I expect because they are getting it ready and testing everything now (if it has not already gone to get CD's pressed). It's not very reasonable to be critical that they don't want to delay things too long, add new software, and not be able to test completely before a release deadline that they can't move.

It has already gone go get CDs pressed and on CeBit they normally press _many_ CDs.

And yes, I guess you will have to wait like always ... ;-)

I also hope KDE 3.4 will be in the official 3.8 (whenever that will come out), but if not you can just get it yourself:

apt-get update
apt-get -t unstable install kdelibs4

from CD should just work ;-).

Thats what UnionFS is all about; if you wondered. I think this will also help Klik a lot in the future. :-)

cu

Fabian

PS: This is no "official" statement, but just my private opinion.
03-08-2005, 08:57 AM
Edix

Quote:

I also hope KDE 3.4 will be in the official 3.8 (whenever that will come out), but if not you can just get it yourself:

apt-get update
apt-get -t unstable install kdelibs4

from CD should just work ;-).

Thats what UnionFS is all about; if you wondered. I think this will also help Klik a lot in the future. :-)

cu

Fabian

PS: This is no "official" statement, but just my private opinion.

If thats true it will be well worth the wait!!! So we would need to burn everything to rewriteables then right?
03-09-2005, 07:20 PM
ICPUG

One thing intrigues me about the new Knoppix 3.8.

How can you write new stuff to the disk when the disk is chock full at the start?

Does it require DVD?

Edix asks whether we use rewriteables. If so, I find 700MB RW harder to find than 700MB CD-R. 650MB is more the norm for CD-RW

ICPUG
03-09-2005, 08:19 PM
UnderScore

It uses a new file system technique that allows you to stack filesystems. I believe Knoppix 3.8 will use UnionFS to stack a writeable filesystem on top of a read-only filesystem so that changes to the stack appear to be made to the read-only but are in fact saved to the writeable filesystem. See this article http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7714 and the UnionFS project page http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html.
03-10-2005, 02:42 AM
Killerah

I hope they release a DVD version as well as a CD version, because I wanna install a nice new version with lots of programs when it comes out. Either way, I can't wait!
03-10-2005, 04:14 PM
veuf

Burn changes back to CD?

Does anybody know if the changes done to the filesystem can be saved back to the disk (CD/DVD)????
Can one create a "custom" ISO-image of the changed system, e.g. remove / install new programs and then create a new ISO from the running system.

If not, then please somebody try to implement this - imaginate this would be the most flexible linux system in the world - install and remove packages, change themes, include demos and files and then burn new CD !!!!!

veuf
03-10-2005, 07:10 PM
probono

Hi all,

greetings from CeBIT Hannover. In case you are interested how the r/w unionfs is integrated into the system, here is the initrd of Knoppix 3.8: http://klik.atekon.de/knoppix38/minirt.gz

And yes, apt-get works from live CD...

Greetings,
probono
03-10-2005, 09:33 PM
UnderScore

Quote:

Originally Posted by probono

Hi all,

greetings from CeBIT Hannover. In case you are interested how the r/w unionfs is integrated into the system, here is the initrd of Knoppix 3.8: http://klik.atekon.de/knoppix38/minirt.gz

And yes, apt-get works from live CD...

Greetings,
probono

Thanks for the minirt.gz. I tried reading the announcement http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/56923 but I do not understand German. Is Knoppix 3.8 a public release? Or is it a private release like Knoppix 3.7 PC Welt or 3.5 DVD edition?

I took a look at the minirt and examined the linuxrc file. So that other people could study it, I posted the linuxrc file http://www.virtualacuity.com/james/k...nuxrc-3.8.html and the diff between the 3.7 version and the 3.8 version http://www.virtualacuity.com/james/k...-3.8.diff.html. In linuxrc at line 645 is where unionfs is used. According to it, the ramdisk is mounted on top of the readonly CDROM so that we can make "live changes" to the CDROM but the changes are actually written to the ramdisk.

James
03-11-2005, 10:59 AM
Mandarine

Hi,

does anybody know when Knoppix 3.8 will be available for download?

Sascha
03-11-2005, 01:48 PM
probono

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderScore

Is Knoppix 3.8 a public release? Or is it a private release like Knoppix 3.7 PC Welt or 3.5 DVD edition?

In LICENSE.txt it says:

Quote:

The KNOPPIX software collection and all included programs that are
authored by Klaus Knopper, are subject to the terms and conditions
of the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, as quoted herein.

Please note that this license does NOT automatically apply to
third-party programs included on this CD. Check
/usr/share/doc/*/copyright* and other supplied license files
of each software package carefully for more information.

In index.html it only says (in German): "Production of this CD-ROM was sponsored by c't", but it doesn't mention that c't holds special rights on parts of the content. So it seems to me as if this would be legal to distribute. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Greetings,
probono
03-11-2005, 05:04 PM
arkaine23

Count on Overclockix 3.8 coming out with all the latest updates from Debian unstable as soon as I can get my hands on Knoppix 3.8.
03-12-2005, 06:18 AM
ironstorm

Quote:

Originally Posted by probono

In index.html it only says (in German): "Production of this CD-ROM was sponsored by c't", but it doesn't mention that c't holds special rights on parts of the content. So it seems to me as if this would be legal to distribute. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, it's a sponsored beta release [it's freely redistributable just as any other Knoppix]... Basically it's released first at CeBit to encourage people to come out to the conference... In the past I beleive they had LiveDVD version at one of those conferences also.

I got the 3.7 CeBit release wayback before the "official" was released, wanted to try out the NX server stuff (which is quite cool). I was going to do a Centrino Laptop distro off of 3.7, but I think I'll wait till I see what the whole unionfs thing is like.

T'would be nice if someone who has a copy could ISO it and post a Torrent... hint, hint

Cheers,

-G
03-12-2005, 09:25 AM
Blue

Already available

Somebody told me that he downloaded Knoppix from the emule network.
I`ve downloaded aMule and searched for Knoppix.

The server is http://www.Use-Next.de and the file is called Knoppix 3.8 Linux (CeBIT 2005 Edition).iso

http://stats.razorback2.com/ed2khist...BF07BC488988E5
03-12-2005, 10:28 AM
Mandarine

I can't find the file via emule :-(
03-12-2005, 12:29 PM
probono

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandarine

I can't find the file via emule :-(

Make sure you do a "global search" in aMule, there it is with amazing speed and over 150 sources :-)
ed2k://|file|Knoppix v3.8-2005-02-28-Cebit Edition.iso|728958976|960B2CC4DA0A8C41B7BF07BC4889 88E5|/

Greetings,
probono
03-12-2005, 07:08 PM
pnti

194 sources :-)
03-12-2005, 07:11 PM
ruymbeke

Quote:

Originally Posted by probono

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandarine

I can't find the file via emule :-(

Make sure you do a "global search" in aMule, there it is with amazing speed and over 150 sources :-)
ed2k://|file|Knoppix v3.8-2005-02-28-Cebit Edition.iso|728958976|960B2CC4DA0A8C41B7BF07BC4889 88E5|/

Greetings,
probono

Can someone post a bit torrent, please ?
Cheers, Gilles
03-12-2005, 08:45 PM
nvgringo

Probono,
Wasn't there a .cmg for amule or emule? I can not find either one on KLIK
03-13-2005, 01:31 PM
probono

Sure: http://klik.atekon.de/amule

To install the klik client press Alt-F2 and paste:
wget klik.atekon.de/client/install -O -|sh

Then use the following link:
klik://amule

Greetings,
probono
03-13-2005, 04:13 PM
tboege

Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Download the .torrent from the tracker at:
http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/

I have a rather limited uploadspeed, so please consider seeding, if you already have the iso.
03-13-2005, 06:35 PM
ironstorm

Re: Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Quote:

Originally Posted by tboege

Download the .torrent from the tracker at:
http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/

I have a rather limited uploadspeed, so please consider seeding, if you already have the iso.

The tracker was truncating the torrent file for me at about 16KB, finally got it down intacted and I've mirrored the .torrent file on my blog at http://stacktrace.org/

Thanks again! :)

-G
03-13-2005, 06:56 PM
pureone

a5055a7eb262752ba099bfaa7f1012d9 Knoppix 3.8 Linux (CeBIT 2005 Edition).iso
md5 sum

looks nice and i like the fact that you can apt-get on it.
03-13-2005, 07:25 PM
lilsirecho

What kernel is used in Knoppix V3.8?
03-13-2005, 07:35 PM
Aleu

I comes with the 2.6.11. So far it looks great!
03-13-2005, 07:35 PM
pureone

2.6.11
03-13-2005, 07:41 PM
lilsirecho

Thanks a bunch!
03-13-2005, 07:42 PM
pureone

anytime :D
03-13-2005, 07:51 PM
Harry Kuhman

Re: Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironstorm

The tracker was truncating the torrent file for me at about 16KB, finally got it down intacted and I've mirrored the .torrent file on my blog at http://stacktrace.org/

I'm surprised this isn't mentioned in the post, but is this for an English Version or a German version? This is an English forum so many people may Expect this is an English version, but since CeBIT is in Germany my guess is the CeBIT version is German. If so is there an English version? Any secrets one needs to know about the cheat code to switch it to English (like where the = sign is)? Or Maybe this isn't even an issue at all in 3.8 (Fabian indicated there might be a nice boot menu system, it would sure be nice to have one version that worked in both cases by selecting the right options from the boot menu.)
03-13-2005, 08:09 PM
pureone

on my keyboard i had to use shift and 9 or 0 i forget

i just use the cheat code lang=us took me a while to find the = . but yes its in english as well
03-13-2005, 08:59 PM
tboege

Well - of course I should have mentioned it:
I don't even know anything about the language version, the torrent is providing. Actually I have not yet had the oppertunity to test the iso.
03-13-2005, 09:33 PM
ironstorm

Re: Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Kuhman

I'm surprised this isn't mentioned in the post, but is this for an English Version or a German version? This is an English forum so many people may Expect this is an English version, but since CeBIT is in Germany my guess is the CeBIT version is German. If so is there an English version? Any secrets one needs to know about the cheat code to switch it to English (like where the = sign is)? Or Maybe this isn't even an issue at all in 3.8 (Fabian indicated there might be a nice boot menu system, it would sure be nice to have one version that worked in both cases by selecting the right options from the boot menu.)

The only difference between the two versions AFAIK is that the english version has lang=us as a parameter in the isolinux boot up info...
if you use "knoppix lang=us" on the German CD everything is English, just as if you use "knoppix lang=de" on the English CD you get all German, lang=it for Italian... etc, etc.
03-13-2005, 09:41 PM
UnderScore

Quote:

I'm surprised this isn't mentioned in the post, but is this for an English Version or a German version?

It defaults to both a German keyboard map and German for all dialogs & menus. Like pureone had mentioned, this can be changed to US English at boot up by using:
knoppix lang=us
where the '=' is done with SHIFT + 0

I have already hexedited and created a fully default US English version of this 3.8 ISO file. If anyone is interested, the process for hexediting the ISO is described here http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...?p=78397#78397. The hexedit allows me to edit the /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg file. I searched & then replaced every entry of lang=de to lang=us.
03-14-2005, 04:58 AM
xfiles

Re: Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Quote:

Originally Posted by tboege

Download the .torrent from the tracker at:
http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/

I have a rather limited uploadspeed, so please consider seeding, if you already have the iso.

Just exactly how would one do that? I've got Azureus but couldn't figure out how to help out. I d-loaded the ISO via e-mule, took a day and a night, terribly slow, but couldn't figure out how to contribute it to a torrent once it was d-loaded. Would like to help out, I have a cable internet connection. Any hints appreciated. BTW, 3.8 is kind of cool, Knoppix just keeps getting better all the time. This is a German distro, you must use shift-zero to get the '=' sign to use the cheat code "lang=us" if you are in America. Worked great. How come Germans have a different keyboard? Different characters? Just wondering.
03-14-2005, 05:37 AM
zzxcnet

Re: Knoppix V3.8 available via bittorrent

Quote:

Originally Posted by xfiles

Just exactly how would one do that? I've got Azureus but couldn't figure out how to help out. I d-loaded the ISO via e-mule, took a day and a night, terribly slow, but couldn't figure out how to contribute it to a torrent once it was d-loaded. Would like to help out, I have a cable internet connection. Any hints appreciated. BTW, 3.8 is kind of cool, Knoppix just keeps getting better all the time. This is a German distro, you must use shift-zero to get the '=' sign to use the cheat code "lang=us" if you are in America. Worked great. How come Germans have a different keyboard? Different characters? Just wondering.

Just open the torrent with a bittorrent client. When the client asks you (windows) where you want to download to, choose the location of the existing file. If you are using Linux, just cd to the directory the iso is in before opening the torrent. If you are using bittorrent 4.0 for windows, note that it will try to download to the desktop by default. You will need to change the "settings" within the GUI to make it ask you where to download each file. When it sees that the file already exists, it will check the existing file. Then, it will automatically seed the file. I'm on cable and got the file via bittorrent in about 6 hours. Now all we need is to slashdot the torrent, as to make it stay up long term. Not everyone reads these forums, you know.

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