Circular depends ... Knoppix versions toDebian

Debian is at 3.1 or higher
Knopix 3.8.1 is base upon ???
At boot Knoppix displays INIT: version 2.7.8 Knoppix

This comes about from trying to install a package called sysvinit modified for selinux.
sysvinit requires initscripts which is not installed
initscripts requires mount which is not installed
mount removes mount-aes an essential package, and removal will harm the system
and the system is futzed.

Initscripts also wants to update /etc/checkroot.sh, which is in the database as
belonging to sysvinit.

Are these tools for a more recent/ different version of Debian?
What does Knoppix use in place of these packages? initscripts and mount?
This seems rather circular...

BillS

Please, just tell us what you're trying to do. Enough of the philosophy, already!

I am trying to get SElinux running with 3.8.1
I am using Russeel Cokers Debian patched packages.
I am using Faye Cokers HOWTO to guide the installation.
I have crushed and reloaded the OS 6 time or so, so far.

apt-get install sysvinit fails because initscripts is missing
apt-get initscripts failes because mount pkg isn't installed and because
/etc/checkroot.sh is the property of sysvinit and can't be changed by initscripts.
apt-get install mount says it will uninstall mount-aes
(this seems dangerous on a running system)

Some of Cokers packages are downgrades from the current archive versions
(coreutils, sysvinit, while libpam-modules is actually newer)

So how I resolve that the Debian packages use these packages, and Knoppix dioesn't.


BillS

If you want to see if this borks the install once again, have a go at replacing the sysvinit: http://s95018669.onlinehome.us/knoppix/sysvinit.shtml
I followed this howto once with Knoppix 3.3 and don't know if it works on 3.8.1

This link describes out dilemma exactly. We even got to the update-rc problem

I'll be working this as soon as the disk imaging completes.
I did notice a 2 places the phrase:
dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:

Was this (--force) set in a config file? I did not see it on any command line.

Guessing here, but I'd say the --force comes with "Yes, do as I say!"

Markus
This almost worked. The difference is probably because of changes in the hardware identification between the version you tried and 3.81.
When this was done, it had removed knoppix-autoconfig, which means that it did not identify eth0 or the usb. But I just kept the old one arround and it seems to boot fine.


Thanks again
BillS

If everything else was working you might as well try to recompile the kernel and compile drivers for usb and your nic into it.

As an afterthought, why fight it? Install Debian Sarge with the net installer while Knoppix obviously isn't meant for this.

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But I just kept the old one arround and it seems to boot fine.

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I was to vague. I copied the knoppix-autoconfig from another 3.8.1 box on to my selinux box and now the boot proceeds quite normally. Things are looking good.

This thread started because I didn't (and still don't) know if Knoppix is derived from sid, sarge, or etch ? I have some code that is documented to run on sarge, and commented to say it probably won't run on sid.

BillS

AFAIK Knoppix is still a mix. Mostly from Sarge, some from Sid and perhaps even some from Stable. I haven't really been following the 3.8.1 very much but I'd be surprised if it's not a mix anymore. That's also a reason to install Sarge if you need compatibility with it. Or you could set testing (if it already isn't) as default in /etc/apt/apt.conf and do a dist-upgrade which should up-/downgrade most stuff to Sarge. Some packages will still get held if you don't force them. And yes, this will probably bork it even worse :) but should be fixable. If needed to up-/downgrade a held package try: apt-get -b --ignore-hold install held_package_name