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I've just finished downloading the knoppix live cd and have ran it successfully a few times on my older Gateway with Windows98 on it, but because everything is having to load from the cd, it's running very slowly. I'm ready to get rid of Windows and run only on Linux, what is the best way to do this? Thanks.
There is no best way. There are many ways that work for different users. One popular way, and what I would suggest is to install Debian. Debian is the Linux distro that the Knoppix Live CD is based on. But there are other Linux distros too, and some users like them. Since this is basically a Knoppix forum I expect you'll find more people here who like Debian than other different distros.Quote:
Originally Posted by surfwax95
There are some peole who "install" Knoppix to hard disk. But this usually causes problems, as Knoppix is a mix of different Debian releases and wasn't intended for install to hard disk. If you feel you must install Knoppix, at least read through the subjects in the hdd install forum to understand what you are in for.
Another Live CD that is said to install somewhat cleaner than Knoppix is Kantonix. It's based on Knoppix but uses more parts from one version of Debian. I have not installed Kantonix and am not advising that you do so, just mentioning that many people think it is a more stable way of installing a live CD than Knoppix. I would still suggest Debian. It may take a little more work to get everything you want set up the first time than installing a Live CD, but you will get exactly what you want without a lot of things you don't, you will learn in the process, and you will have a more stable and supportable system in the end.
Well I'm looking at Debian's website right now, and it seems that I could download via Bittorrent, but the files are very confusing...there are many many seperate files/torrents. How should I go about getting all of them to my computer?
It is my opinion, that if new user wants to boot from CD drive then they should use a LiveCD like Knoppix. If they want to install Linux to the hard drive then they should skip Knoppix & install a Linux distribution that is designed & intended to be installed to the HD. If they want a pre-configured user-oriented desktop PC, not server, then some good some good choices are Debian 3.1r0a (released Mon June 6), Ubuntu (GNOME desktop) or Kubuntu (KDE desktop) which are based on Debian or see RedHat backed Fedora Core 4 (released June 13). If they want a real noob friendly desktop Debian based distro & are willing to pay a small yearly price for support & software updates then they can use Linspire.
I hope this helps.
James
My opinion is somewhere between the above. I'm inclined to reject rpm based distros (mandriva, SuSE and Fedora/RedHat) essentially because there are nothing like the variety of packages available as Debian and because the package management tools are either wierd and idiosyncratic or essentially Debian rip offs.
This leaves Slackware, Gentoo and Debian. But all these are probably too much for a newbie.
This leaves the so called Debian based distros. I'd be inclined to reject Mepis, Ubuntu and Kubuntu because they don't use the real Debian repositories -- essentially they're bastardised distros which dilute Debian. This leaves Kanotix and Knoppix. Of the two, Kanotix is far more suitable for HD install, although I'm currrently running a 3.6 Knoppix installed to HD.
A Google for Kanotix will find you some excellent install instructions, the latest version and the forum (in both English and German).
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Originally Posted by surfwax95
My suggestion:
- Go here: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
Follow the link to the type of hardware you have, most likely i386, the 4th choice in the sable CD list.
Download the torrent for the first or first and second CD. Underscore says you will rarely use CDs beyond that, and you can always download more later or download packages directly from the web.
Make sure the BitTorrent ports forward correctly in your router's firewall.
Start BitTorrent and download the first one or two ISO. These torrents start very slow so give them a few minutes. I just grabbed CD 1 and it started very slow. But in a few minutes I was downloading at my full download capacity. And although I was seeding, very little of my available uploading capacity was being used. So my thinking is ignore horror stories of the downloads being slow and get a full CD or two.
Make and Install from the CDs.
There are ways to download smaller images and then install everything from the Internet. If you were only going to install once and were certain that everything would go perfectly the first time, it would make sense to do it that way. My result with doing it that way was that I ended up doing several installs before I got something I was happy with. Each was slower than needed because they were all done across the Internet. So for a novice (like me) I suggest using the full install CD rather than doing it across the Internet. You spend a little more time up front, then can install much faster as many times as you want.
I knew about Ubuntu / Kubuntu, but is this the same case for Mepis? Now I use Kanotix, but Mepis was my #1 some time and I didn't know it uses some special repositories.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers99
A first step could be to opt for a lightweighted desktop instead of KDE. I'm used to work with icewm in my old boxes. This can be done ever with the same knoppix cd.
At times, I've installed knoppix to HD and just reinstalled when the next version came out. This isn't a good idea on any PC that needs to be secure, but it is unbelievably easy to do and works well enough.
Any current OS/distro installed on an old PC is likely to run slowly, but probably not as slowly once installed than if it's run from within RAM.
How much RAM is currently in your system, by the way?
I am a newbie to Linux and find this thread extremely useful. I have several questions, if I may barge in.
1. It was mentioned that installing Knoppix to HD is not a godd idea for various reasons, including that it would not be very secure. Is the security problem related to Knoppix itself or to the underlying Debian? Does the less sercure comment apply to using the live CD (uninstalled) too? What exactly is meant by "less secure"? Less stable or less secure internet-wise?
2. I did not know that Mepis and Ubuntu had a more limited source of available software compared to Debian. I did download Mepis as my first distribution and it installed and worked great right out of the box - which is a great confidence booster for a newbie. My question is related to the greater range of available software for Debian. Since distributions like Mepis and Ubuntu apparenty have quite large software repositories, how important would the non-available software be to the majority of users? That is, would it be isoteric software that 99% of people would never want? I am just curious and trying to understand.
3. I intend to purchase from Linuxonline.biz and similar the Debian you suggest to try and install it. However I have a find I would like to share with other newbies. I recently borrowed from the public library a new book: 6th edition of "Linux for Dummies" which contains a DVD that contains:
Fedora Core 3 complete
Full version of Linspire 4.5.602
Live version of Linspire 4.5.602
Live version of SUSE 9.2
Full version (3 CD isos) of Mandrake 10.1
Knoppix 3.6
Xandros 2.5
OpenOffice
This is a terrific for someone like me who does not have access to broadband. It allows me to try several distributions without the hassle of downloading and gives the newbie a head start in the exploration of distributions to choose. The book costs only $29 but is an even better deal for free from the library.
I forgot to add that the authors of that book actually explain how to install Knoppix from the DVD though I have not tried to do so.
Perhaps we have confused you. I think when FatherBob said "less secure", he meant it as "not a known working system" as in "possibly unstable since I haven't used it before." When I say Knoppix HD install is not a good idea, I mean that it is hard to administrate. Most new users will have a difficult time add/removing/installing new programs. Furthermore, something usually breaks in a Knoppix HD install. That means that either networking or your optical drives may or may not work and getting them to work is almost certainly outside of your capacilities. This is not a bad thing if you _really_ want to learn how to fix a broken installation and are willing to put in hours of testing. If you do not want to be forced to become a junior sysadmin then a HD install of Knoppix is probably not for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppixnovice
As for Mepis, I have heard that parts of Mepis non-Free or proprietary. Why would this matter? Well this comes from our personal beliefs on how we want openess & freedom. Some of us, myself included in many ways, feel that the freedom that is granted to us by using & distributing Knoppix (or other Free Software) is something to be cherished & defended. If we do not uphold the notion of Free Software then we are bound to proprietary software which is 100% out of our control. Ever take out a big loan or be in debt? The borrower is bound to the will of the lender. I have over $40,000 in college loans and if disobey by not making payments they will come after me and make my life miserable. If I want use proprietary software, the software's creator can make all sorts of requests (resonable & unreasonable) and if I want to legally use the software then I must adbide by the creator's requests. Most of us do not like losing freedom/openess and being forced into obeying anyone. This is why some people do not advocate the mixing of Free & non-Free software. This is why some feel that Mepis is not worthy of our attention. Mepis is based on Debian and you should check the "Debian Social Contract" to see what the Debian project views as its foundation.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppixnovice
As for Ubuntu, they are fully & 100% Free Software. Some people have a personal issue with them as they take packaged programs from Debian (which is totally legal & encouraged) but bug fix or slightly change them to gain ease of use. Again this is all totally legal & encouraged. The downside of doing this is the duplication of effort since they must maintain a complete Ubuntu repository of packages outside of the Debian official repository. The other downside is possible incompatiblity because there are now 2 almost identical packages that behave differently. Ubuntu's official position to fix these problems is to release the changes they made back to the original programmers so that the changes can be re-incorporated back into the official package. I am OK with this and I feel Ubuntu is a great distro.
Great find on that book. If you are so inclined, there are other book recommendations in these forums. A search for books should turn up some hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppixnovice
**EDIT**
added link to "Debian Social Contract"
> Perhaps we have confused you.
Not hard to do <grin>. But you are a very good explainer and very patient. It's clear now. Thanks for taking the time.
I have several Linux distros installed on Xbox drives in mobile racks and can quickly remove one and replace it with another. My preferences are with Xandros 3.0, Linspire 5.0, Fedora 4.0, and the latest Knoppix 4.0 that took me a full day to get downloaded via Azureus.
The one big plus in Knoppix 4.0 when it is installed to hard drive is the Internet access speed. It has proved so far to be a bit faster than Xandros, Linspire, XP, and Win2000 at no more than 2 seconds on a 1.5m ASDL. Fedora 4.0 has proved to be a bomb on Internet access with at least 13 seconds required. That is a big disappoinment because the distro is first class otherwise. I have found several dead shortcuts with Knoppix 4.0 though. Since I am not heavy on the accessories anyway, I do like what I see in Knoppix, albeit the lack of pure Debian may raise some bugs yet unseen. The new filing system is user friendly to Windows users also.
I noticed that Debian has a new release. Since I am fond of Linux "candy," I probably will give it a shot too. Who said you can't have your cake and eat it too? 8)