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i cant read anything, and after 5 minutes it freezes up
You didn't give any information, but one possibilityis that you downloaded a German iso. For instance, KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-DE - the DE indicates a German iso. -EN would indicate English.
If you got it with a magazine, then the language of the Knoppix should match the magazine. In other words, use an English magazine.
Can you also tell what version you were using.
I can't speak (or write) for anybody else, but I downloaded it from the knoppix home site. There was no mention there that it would be in German and as far as I can tell, no way to get a version that isn't. I'm certainly NOT going to be wasting time and bandwidth downloading from random sites hoping to get one in English! Where can I get one, or should I simply go to Gnomix, which is more likely to be in a user-friendly language?
If you don't want to learn how to get the right copy of Knoppix for you, then your post is off-topic here. You would be much better off asking in a Gnomix forum. If you want to learn what you did wrong and how to best get a good copy, see answer #1.
Sneering at people who are having difficulty is a real great way to make converts. Not! As I said, I downloaded this from the knoppix home site, with no indication that it wasn't in English, and no way to find one that was. Either provide a pointer to a usable (for me) version or don't waste my time posting insults.
BTW, I can't read that faq you sent me to because the site crashes when I try. The more I look at this, the less hope I have of getting a useful answer from anybody here, and that's a good sign of what I'll find if/when I get a workable copy. Please do your best to prove me wrong.
No one sneared at you.
I pointed you to the downloading faq. It is loading just fine for me. It explains which version of Knoppix is which, how to tell the native English version from the German version, how to tell the DVD from the CD, how to get the German version to boot into English and more, including that the best and fastest way is not to use any of the mirrors at all. You might even be able to "fix" your German version if you follow the instructions without needing to download everything again.
I have no idea why you are crashing, and you don't give any info that would help me figure out why you are crashing.
Answer 1 points me to the Downloading faq, which crashed. I later got it to load and it said absolutely NOTHING about languages. Typical Debian: sending people to useless faqs instead of answering questions.
The very first question in the FAQ talks about the different versions and explains the English/German issue. You posted in this thread, and the very first response in this thread, by ndb, explains the German/English issue also, but you ignored that and posted your "or should I simply go to Gnomix" post instead of following the instructions. If you can't read even the first question of a key faq or the first response in a thread that you see has the same question that you have, then I strongly urge you to go for that Gnomix download instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideburns
Yes, the faq explains about the different languages, but IT DOESN'T TELL WHERE TO GET ANY VERSION OTHER THAN GERMAN. As that's what I need to know, the faq is useless. Don't bother replying, as I'm taking your advice and abandoning any attempts to get Knoppix in English. Clearly, it's almost impossible to do or you would have pointed me to a download site instead of a faq that doesn't help.
No, you just don't get it. I'm glad to provide help here, but not to just provide a link for someone too lazy to read the information already compiled and well organized. I seldom provide links when the link is already in the faq, I would much rather teach someone how to find the information themselves so that the next ten times they want to know something they can find it themselves, not ask for another link. That's why I pointed you to answer #1, the writeup in the link that I did give explained how to find the wiki and the downloading faq in the wiki rather than just give you a link to the downloading faq, you shouldn't have to post for another link when you want to know something else, you should know how to find the wiki. The downloading faq gave you the information that you would need to get a new copy, and a lot other very important information too, but you don't want to read it, you want a link. There is a link right in front of you before you even get to the downloading faq, but you don't want to read or think, you just want to be treated like a baby. I really think you should go get that Gnomix and forget about Knoppix.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideburns
Look, luser, I've been working with computers since 1968, probably since before you were born and I know how to read. I saw no such links in the download faq, and read it several times to make sure. However, this is all redundant now. I posted a question in a newsgroup, and somebody politely gave me the pointer I needed. Now, I'll download it, try it and see if it's been worth all the trouble you've put me through.
Oh, and by the way, I checked the wiki and found its "search function" doesn't search the wiki, it just re-directs to Google, something I can do without its "help."
The links you want are mentioned in Downloading FAQ, Question 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideburns
(The Unix-AG BitTorrent Tracker and The Knoppix Download Page are both mentioned in Question 2.)
And what file to download is mentioned in same FAQ, Question 1.
I have the 2006-06-01-EN.iso file
the systems are running
they are "mostly" in german
if you pick the wrong thing to try to do, you get german menus
if I start at
Knoppix - Settings - Desktop Settings Wizard
it starts in german, as the top of the language list is Deutsch
changing the language is fine
if I run it again, it starts in german, again
if i reboot the system, again, this menu is in german
this is more noticed and a pain if you log out
the login screen is in german
some things are hard to get the apply/ok button to STICK.
heya i downloaded the knoppix from the same site as side burns and mine is in english. i even installed it to the harddrive in less than 30 minutes. when i first loged into it it was infact in german but its not hard to change that by cliking on the lil flag at the bottom of the right hand corner on the screen and selecting the american/english flag for ENGLISH. and if someone who has been working with computers since 1968 cant figure that out and i can and i have been working with computers for 2 years, thats pretty sad.
the little flag will change the keyboard layout for the desktop
the user log in screen is controlled from the Konqueror setup wizard
at the moment it won't stick a change and keeps resetting
the prob is there is too many places where the language part needs setting and too many programs are not using the lang=US flag that is set at boot up
then they use the first language at the top of the drop down list of languages
and Deutsch is the first option
plus, when you then find a 'new' place that it needs setting in, you have to figure out how to change it again
as the menus are in german, again
having said that, i am starting to think i might re-do my install as i think some part as gone, the part that remembers
and some peoples say it is fixed easy
but my system isnt fixing. it just might be me ....... :cry: :roll:
man at least ur system worx. mine every time i do a command it says it cant connect to x server. what the hell is x server. im begining not to like linux right now. it confuses me sooooo bad. like i said this is my first week or two of linux. im having bad luck i guess
x server is the underlying vga desktop driver thingy that makes the desktop run
it's a big pain for a winoze user when it doesn't work but it IS doable
and the exercise of getting it to work again will teach you a little about the layout of the linux box
start at
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (I think)
but read a few/cpl of the helps on getting it to work
i got to go workies, sorry, back later ......
chin up, it does suck at first, but it's getting better. Boinc is faster ;-)
i dont know if you haveread my other threads or not of how much linux i dont know. i killed my system once already using photorec and it wrote over 28.8GB of free space with old files from the HDD. lol but i fixed it. took forever and a half. i have a new thread up named understanding man pages. cuz i have no clue how to understand those. some of the options and way they explain them is crazy. lol. any way thanx for the encouragement. its completly differnt from windows and i am a very logical person. every thing has to be explained to me step by step and every little function has to be explained to me or i dont understand it. liek why are there " in some commands. any way i lok forward to becoming a "ethical hacker" lol
I just did a new install
it's nicely in english
the login screen is english
so i went through the things i had done previously to see where it failed
and i think i got my problem sorted (waiting for a reboot)
Knoppix
Control Center
System Administration
Login Manager
when you change the auto-login thingy for a user, it is easy to miss the Lamguage drop down with the blank line
dang time zone won't stay put yet
lol, yeah. thats the first thing i do when i install knoppix to harddsik is go to that menu and change every thing to english. yeah my time zone does the same and then when it decides to stay it stays in militery time so i cant read it. well i can i just dont like it. lol im glad you figured it out. i dont know why i never mentioned it b4 about the whole control center.
Well it actually took a page and a half before someone actually posted a link to a download site rather than making us run around the houses. Thanks malaire :)
This enabled me to confirm that I had downloaded the correct ISO with EN in it.
The boot and initial KDE is in english but as soon as I start using it I'd better have a working knowlege of German!
Half the software is german. Eg netzwerkkarte when I run netcardconfig ; sysinit to start cupsd is in German. Does not matter because it's all seriously broken.
Seems the Debian refusal to answer a straight question is live and kicking but the famous Debian rigour is missing. :roll:
Now refer to the Knoppix remastering guide to find out how to remaster the rest of the CD to get the software into English as well.
No, I wont post a link to the guide , you'll have to go an find it your self . Welcome to Debain. :!:
Actually I posted a link that told how to find the downloading faq on the first page. If you're too good to read the faq and benefit from all of the information in it that has proved important over time, then why are you not smart enough to just use the "Get Knoppix" link near the top of every page in this forum? Excuse me for actually wanting to explain to people how to use the forums and the wiki and to at least point them to critical information they are likely to need after downloading the file, rather than just giving them a link and then watching when they make all of the rookie mistakes covered in the faq.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppu
>>Actually I posted a link that told how to find the downloading faq on the first page.
A link to a how to with a link to a faq with a link to what was requested.
well if the link at the top was so obvious you would not have to draw anyone's attention to it, smart or not. Maybe if it was labelled "download" it may get noticed more. (Just a suggestion)
It's a clear indication of the attitude that you display every time you post. Posters have asked over and over very explicitly for a link in this thread and you refuse point blank. It is now, in the third page of posts that you accuse us of not being "smart" enough to spot the link and not be distracted by the paper-chase of information you propose instead of a direct answer.
You could have posted : see link at the top of this page for downloads , I suggest you read this, this and this link first.
Your reply is you WILL read this and this and then this, if you read it all and followed it carefully you should be able to answer your own question but I'm not going to. If you dont do what I say then I'm not going to help you.
Many will find that condecending and obstructive not helpful.
Actualy, that link is pretty obvious and most people find it just fine. Of course, there are those who don't and just demand that people post direct links for them, but I'm already directing people's attention to that top line of links to find the Documentation link, if they read past the "Get Knoppix" link and don't grasp the concept I don't feel too bad about it; the FAQ will still tell them where to find the files and give them other important information too, assuming they are willing to read it. And in this case, if you look again at the subject line of this thread, the question wasn't really about where to get the ISO, it was about the English vs. German ISO. Just giving someone a link to the download page wouldn't explain the differences, but the differences are already explained in the Downloading FAQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppu
As to the wording of the Get Knoppix link, I don't control that (the site owner does), but I think it's better the way it is. Since the page contains not only information about downloading but also information about ordering (something I personally warn against for quality reasons), Get is a more appropriate term than Download. It also clutters the line less and should be better understood by visitors with limited English.
Wow, I'm pretty impressed that you have every one of my posts at this site to make such a blanket statement. Yes, I generally don't give a link directly to the faq when I can instead tell people to look at the top of the page and use the Documentation link to find the faq instead, although I do give plenty of links when telling someone how to find the wiki isn't appropriate. I was posting the same information over and over again, often multiple times a day, and sometimes didn't even respond to a poster rquesting help because I just didn't have time to write the information requested yet again, so I made sure that the commonly requested information was in the wiki and started referring people there. This is much faster and cleaner and helps keep the often requested information in one easy to find place. I still found that I was spending a lot of time explaining the wiki to people or duplicating other common information, so I set up my own user page in the wiki (as any wiki contributor can do) and put the information of using the wiki, the downloading faq, and lots more things that I was saying over and over again there. I do give a link right to that page, I don't "make people hunt for it". But I'm not going to just give a link to the ISO when myself and several other have spent a lot of time and effort in putting together good documentation on not only how to get it but how to avoid very common problems after you have a copy. If people are not willing to follow the simple instructions and actually learn how to look stuff up for themselves, well then they can just ignore my post and keep whining in the forums that someone has to give them a link directly to what they demand at the moment, they are no worse of than they would be if I hadn't tried to tell them how to help themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppu
And as to your use of the work "us", let me make it clear that I wasn't trying to insult everyone here. I was trying to insult you.
That's your take on it, but my take on it is that rather than give small snippits of some information in each post, I put the effort into making the FAQs and other content of the wiki as complete and accurate as it can be and then I tell users where they can find that information when they ask. Yes, I don't spend a lot of time responding to each post with the same information rehashed just for that post. If someone whines and says "don't give me a nice complete FAQ, I demand a link to a file", I'm not very inclined to help them further. And I even hope that by telling someone to look at the documentation link at the top of the page to get to the wiki and read the downloading faq, they might notice that there is other documentation there and not have to post for another link and wait for someone to post back to them again the next time they have a question already covered in the wiki.Quote:
Originally Posted by knoppu
You characterise my providing instructions on where to find all of the needed information as somehow being arogant and demanding that people do as I say. That's an interesting take on it. Since we're sharing our impressions of each other, let me say that you come across as a whining person who seems to demand that everything be given to him and that people are expected to change things to suit him. You have been here one day, yet you choose to to post things like "Seems the Debian refusal to answer a straight question is live and kicking but the famous Debian rigour is missing" and "No, I wont post a link to the guide , you'll have to go an find it your self . Welcome to Debain". Even the Get Knoppix link isn't to your liking. And on top of all of that, you're dead wrong. I've used netcardconfig from the EN Knoppix many many times, and I've never had it respond to me in German, it is always English. Perhaps it's just detecting your arrogance and giving you a hard time.
>>Perhaps it's just detecting your arrogance and giving you a hard time.
Of course anyone who does not bow down before your condecending self importance and dares to critisise would by definition be arrogant wouldn't they?
if knoppix was trying to give a hard time it's yet more breakage. I speak reasonably good German and it was an interesting refresher.
actually, you quoted a link to your fairly standard listing of obvious answers to your observationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Kuhman
and in bright bold are the letters download faq
which aren't linked to anything
so, as he said, a link to the faq so that new users don't have to go through every option would be really nice.
as every option in linux is very long and usually doesn't answer any question being asked.
Agreed. I don't give links to the downloading faq and I don't intend to. I tell people how to find it, which is basically telling them that there is a link marked Documentation near the top of that page and every other page in the forum and the wiki , that link takes them to the wiki and the Downloading faq link is extremely easy to find; it is in several places including the very first link under "Main Page". I actually did give links in the past, but people would then post another question for something else covered in detail in the wiki and wait for someone to give them another link; I would much rather try to teach people how to find the wiki than keep feeding them links. And quite frankly, those who want to complain that I say "click on the Documentation link near the top of this page" and demand that I type "Click here" instead of just moving their pointer up an inch or two and clicking are those who I don't wish to help, so it's win-win for me. I certainly have posted many links to other things, but when there is already a Documentation link near the top of the page, I'm not going to copy it into my response or bypass the wiki main page to let people avoid seeing it and save one click. If people knew where the wiki was they wouldn't have had to ask the question in the first place. Heck, for me to get a link to the downloading faq to copy into my response I would have click on Documentation and then on Download. Why should I be expected to do that for someone whining that it's too complex for them to do? (Rhetorical question.)Quote:
Originally Posted by marhleet
Apparently you'd rather argue about it than actually helpQuote:
You could have posted : see link at the top of this page for downloads , I suggest you read this, this and this link first.