Trouble copying files to USB flash drive

My laptop (Gateway M210) decided to crap out on me yesterday. From one day to the next, it wouldn't boot. I wasn't able to repair, so I suspect a bad hard drive. I installed Knoppix 3.9 to a CD and managed to boot to that ok (first time in Linux for me). I've got the web and email thru the CD-booted Knoppix, so I think I've done that step correctly.

I'm trying to retrieve my documents from the hard drive. I successfully copied a bunch of files and folders to my flash drive, then went back for another batch. Somehow in that second try I generated some unreadable incoherent files on the flash drive. When I tried to copy additional files (all jpg), either as individual files or folders, to the flash drive, I get an message that the folder can't be created. I've changed the permissions on the flash drive icon on the desktop to allow read-write to everybody (although this wasn't necessary when I successfully copied my first batch). I've also tried a different flash drive, and all three of my USB ports. Between each attempt I've rebooted. At this point, I'm at a loss on what to try next. I'm ready to nuke the hard drive, but I don't want to lose alot of the family photos on the hard drive. Help!

Tad

It can be important in Linux to unmount the flash drive before unplugging it (or, shut down Knoppix before removing the flash drive, which will also unmount it). My first guess was that this caused your problem the second time but not the first. But if that is the case it doesn't seem to explain why other flash drives will not work for you either.

yes unmounting or reboot (harder than tu rightclick unmount and wait for a few min imho) is ESSENTIAL!
as the drive is bad it can actually be that the fies are corrupt to start with.
If you have two computers I would use winscp, or similar, to transfer files from the knoppix coputer to the windows one.
go to the penguin menu and start sshd first
then check your IP adress.
open a consle and type sudo ifconfig hit enter (the ip is likely somethig like 192.168.0.3 or so)
now download and install winscp, open a session to that ip and download the files you want.
In a while i will go to my neighbour and give more precise winscp instructions.
I am to help him go wireless and might as well use my network and try winscp.

in the knoppix machine
set Password for user knoppix

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passwd knoppix

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you will NOT see anythng when you type the password, it is normal.
start sshd (penguin menu)

Windows machine.
start winscp, oly three feilds need to be filled in.
hostname =ipnumber
username=knoppix
password (which you just set on the knoppxmachine). now you could likely download the files as easy as that.

still if the files are bad ... not much that can be done.

Ok, winSCP seems to be working for me, but I can't seem to make the final step. I don't know why I didn't think of this route earlier. It makes so much more sense than physically transferring files via media.

Anyway, I have a wireless network here with two computers. I have winSCP installed and it is now connected to the machine running knoppix. I can see the directories on the knoppix machine from the windows machine, but I can't dive into the hard drive on the knoppix machine. From the knoppix machine, I would normally click thru the hda2 icon on the desktop to access the files, but when I try that from the windows machine, I just pull up a little 463 bit file - there is no further progress possible (i.e., no subfolders etc).

Is there another path to the knoppix machine hard drive? I poked around at various levels from the windows machine, but didn't see any way in.

Thanks for your help so far...I'm learning alot and really starting to like linux.

Tad

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Originally Posted by tdeshler

....Anyway, I have a wireless network here with two computers. ......Is there another path...

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I generally don't even get involved in Knoppix networking problems when someone is trying to use wireless, since wireless is so poorly supported in Knoppix. But since you seem to have the wireless network working and just need to transfer files, here is what I would suggest (I do this myself whenever I need to recover files from a Windows system): Install and run an FTP server on another computer somewhere on the network. It can be a Windows or Linux system (or even a MAC). There are many good free FTP servers for Windows. Go to the Knoppix system and use Konquror as an FTP client to transfer the file that you want to the Windows system by FTP. You'll find that FTP transfers are much faster than Windows networking transfers, so this is the best way to transfer large amounts of information.

winscp uses SFTP (encrypted ftp) it is fairly fast and stable.
i have no idea what is going on here, you should be able to access it under /mnt/hda2/, it is the better route, as the desktop icon is just a shortcut.

Thanks again to you both for the help. I did successfully install an FTP server on the windows machine, then used konqueror on the knoppix machine to connect to the windows machine. However, when I tried to drag files from the hard drive on the knoppix to the ftp window, I got the same error message as I was getting when using the flash drive.

That's the bad news. The good news, is that I have now successfully used WinSCP to move the files. The mnt\hda2 path was the key. I am not familiar the linux convention for naming folders, so I couldn't find it before.

Maybe I should chuck this whole windows thing! :D

Tad

use knoppix on the machine with broken hdd, or get a new drive and install Debian to it.
Reason for Debian is that Knoppix is CD/DVD only offspring of Debian, it "can" be installed but many things can break (in knoppix, rarely in the computer)

Hello,

I have a similar problem. I have downloaded and installed WinSCP as recommended in this thread, have set the password for the knoppix user and started the ssd daemon. WinSCP attempts to connect, but then it gives me an error that the destination server has not responded for 15 seconds.

From the machine running knoppix I can see my windows machine as well as one of my network drives (and log into the network drive), however the next issue I have is that the directories I need to copy off the machine are owned by another user and I am not allowed to change the owner or permissions as I get the error message telling me the drive has been mounted as read only.

I have chosen the option to change the drive to read/write and at times when viewing the properties it does indicate this, but when logged into the root terminal and trying to change the ownership or permissions I get that same error telling me it can't be done as the drive is read only!

Any ideas?

Basically I need to copy files from a machine that experienced a ram failure (have replaced the bad ram) and the files are owned by the 'mail' user. I can mount a samba share on my network FROM the knoppix machine but am unable to drag the files over to that volume as I do not have the permissions to do so and I keep getting the message that the drive is read only when I try to change permissions or owner.

Thanks for any suggestions. This is a major problem for me right now (not a knoppix fault of course) and I need to do my best to recover the files and get the server back up!

Thanks

Dale

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Originally Posted by dtherio

....and installed WinSCP as recommended...

....I get that same error ....

Any ideas?

Basically I need to copy files......

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I know nothing about WinSPC, don't even know what it is or care enough to look it up. However, I've recovered files across a network from a bad windows system to a good windows system with Knoppix many times. If you want to learn more about Linux and WinSPC and what is going wrong here, I can't really be of help. If you want to recover your files, I suggest doing what I already suggested in this thread: Install a free Windows FTP server on the good windows destination system. Boot Knoppix on the "bad" system. Confirm that you can ping the good system (check the firewall of the "good" system if you can't, or recheck your IP addresses). Connect by FTP using Konquror as the FTP client under Knoppix. Check the "good" system's firewall if you can't, or recheck the FTP server configuration. Transfer the files that you want by FPT. It will work and be much faster than any Microsoft based networking. You'll also find it extremely handy to have the skill to download install and configure an FTP server on a WIndows system whenever needed. Takes about 5 minutes or less once you do it a few times.

And, if like the original poster, you are also trying to get wireless networking working under Knoppix, I strongly suggest that you just plug the computer into the network with a wired connection and get your files. Play with wireless after you have the needed data. Wireless support in Knoppix is not good for most hardware.

Hello Harry,

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Originally Posted by dtherio

....and installed WinSCP as recommended...

....I get that same error ....

Any ideas?

Basically I need to copy files......

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I know nothing about WinSPC, don't even know what it is or care enough to look it up. However, I've recovered files across a network from a bad windows system to a good windows system with Knoppix many times. If you want to learn more about Linux and WinSPC and what is going wrong here, I can't really be of help. If you want to recover your files, I suggest doing what I already suggested in this thread: Install a free Windows FTP server on the good windows destination system. Boot Knoppix on the "bad" system. Confirm that you can ping the good system (check the firewall of the "good" system if you can't, or recheck your IP addresses). Connect by FTP using Konquror as the FTP client under Knoppix. Check the "good" system's firewall if you can't, or recheck the FTP server configuration. Transfer the files that you want by FPT. It will work and be much faster than any Microsoft based networking. You'll also find it extremely handy to have the skill to download install and configure an FTP server on a WIndows system whenever needed. Takes about 5 minutes or less once you do it a few times.

And, if like the original poster, you are also trying to get wireless networking working under Knoppix, I strongly suggest that you just plug the computer into the network with a wired connection and get your files. Play with wireless after you have the needed data. Wireless support in Knoppix is not good for most hardware.

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I can SSH into the knoppix machine remotely, I can ping external machines from the knoppix machine. I have installed an FTP server on another local machine, however, I still can not ftp the files away (nor can I tar/gzip them) as no matter what I do, even though when viewing the properties of the mounted drive show it is writable, when I attempt (from the root terminal) to change the permissions or owner of the directories I need to recover, I get an error saying the drive is read only.

Once I can get past that, I imagine I can probably get the files off the machine. Unless there is a way I am not aware of (quite possible) to ftp the files from the knoppix machine to another one when the knoppix user isn't the owner of the files.

Regards,

Dale

p.s. the drives I am trying to recover files from are Linux, not windows. I have a couple of network drives available as well as a windows machine that I can move the desired files to.

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Originally Posted by dtherio

I have a similar problem. ......

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I violated my own rule here. Sorry. I should have just stuck to my belief that when someone says that they have a similar problem that they actually have a completely different problem and stayed out of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by dtherio

p.s. the drives I am trying to recover files from are Linux, not windows.

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I'm guessing that this is certainly a factor. Still, as SU, I would expect that you should be able to read the files. And read access is all that you should need on the system that you are trying to read the files from. The "I get an error saying the drive is read only" makes no sense to me. Is it really from the system that you want to recover files from, or is it perhaps from the destination system?

I'll be quiet now and leave this discussion to those who know more about the wonders of Linux file systems. Perhaps I've at least managed to uncover a little of the truth of what you are actually trying to do, but I don't think that I can be of any more help than that.

Hello,

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Originally Posted by Harry Kuhman

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Originally Posted by dtherio

I have a similar problem. ......

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I violated my own rule here. Sorry. I should have just stuck to my belief that when someone says that they have a similar problem that they actually have a completely different problem and stayed out of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by dtherio

p.s. the drives I am trying to recover files from are Linux, not windows.

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I'm guessing that this is certainly a factor. Still, as SU, I would expect that you should be able to read the files. And read access is all that you should need on the system that you are trying to read the files from. The "I get an error saying the drive is read only" makes no sense to me. Is it really from the system that you want to recover files from, or is it perhaps from the destination system?

I'll be quiet now and leave this discussion to those who know more about the wonders of Linux file systems. Perhaps I've at least managed to uncover a little of the truth of what you are actually trying to do, but I don't think that I can be of any more help than that.

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The error is defiantly on the source drive as that is where I am trying to change the permissions/owner.

At this point in the process (when I get the error), I haven't even tried to copy the files to the destination as that will not work as I do not have permission to copy them.

I do appreciate your replies and suggestions. At this point the problem is with permissions/ownership.

Dale