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Even though Knoppix is cool and bitchin and everything, I have to say that Suse makes a trial version of their dist that runs off the cd, and its better than Knoppix. The first time you boot it, it sets up configuration files and allows you to select keyboard language, screen resolution and root accout. Its simply better than Knoppix. You can download it here:
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=2
Ain't afraid of no flame, are you ;-)
SuSE was my favorite commercial distribution as well. Their live CD has been upgraded to their current 9.0 version. This release did not work as well as the previous 8.2 for me. Both are much slower to boot than knoppix.
PCLinuxOS looks very promising despite its boring name. It nicely demoes both kde and gnome.
Actually I am starting to think there is a slightly worrying proliferation of (debian) live CD's. It would make sense to combine the HW detection and cloop FS from knoppix with the modularity of morphix, and the goodies and installer from mepis, for example. Oh well, the boys seem to have more fun on their own! They've served us very well so far, obviously.
How many machines have you booted this disc on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BradC
For me, SuSE refuses to finish booting on three differnt machines while Knoppix has no trouble at all. That's Knoppix 3 SuSE 0
Let's also not forget the SuSE uses rpm's for package management- bleck! That's strike #2!
Which kernel version is SuSE using? Unless it was updated very recently I'm assuming it isn't 2.4.23 or newer. Strike #3! SuSE is outta there!
Where does it set up it's config files? On your hdd? What if you don't want anything written to hdd?
Sad to report that my K3.3 CD failed my acid test - an overclocked SS7 K6-III with a pair of scsi h/ds and a scsi CD drive. The boot screen showed up , but I could not find any cheat code to access the scsi CD drive. SuSE Live 8.2 had no such problems - it incorporates a startup search option when the CD doesn't appear in the expected location and immediately located my scsi CD. It shouldn't be too difficult to add this step to Knoppix? How does MandrakeMove shape up on weird systems?
OG.
OK, I downloaded that Suse ISO and here's what I experienced:
1. My system cannot boot from CD so I created a boot diskette. I also had to create a module diskette, their boot procedure asks for this one after the boot diskette.
2. The startup procedure does a nice job of detecting hardware. It also asks you about preferences such as screen resolution etc; it advises you to tell it to save these preferences so that on subsequent boots you won't have to redo all of them. I did that.
3. Boots up pretty good. Only gives Konqueror web browser, I prefer Mozilla but OK.
4. Play with the system for a while, seems ok, now I want to reboot. MAJOR PROBLEM.
5. During reboot it tells you it is looking for saved parameters; finds them; NOW IT TELLS YOU IT CANNOT FIND THE CDROM.
6. Tells you to insert the CD. You tell it OK. Tells you it cannot find the CD. NOW YOU'RE STUCK IN A LOOP FOLKS. YOU CANNOT BOOT THIS THING AGAIN.
Sure you can. You re-install. :P
There's no reinstall! There was no install in the first place. This is a live CD. The procedure is "you insert the boot diskette, insert the cdrom, turn on the power, and the system takes over from there".
nope!
I just tried SUSE Live and it didn't accept my printer, my sound card and the GUI froze the buttons so that I couldn't click on anything!
Knoppix has yet to do this. Even if it trys really hard I don't think Knoppix will do this.
Knoppix needs a better logo.
Knoppix needs a better font.
Hey baldyeti, that pclinux turned out to be pretty good. I cant get either Knoppix, live Suse or Regular Madrake 9 to boot on my comp due to some problem with my Samsung monitor, but it runs fine when I take my comp to a freinds house.
If its an old monitor, have you tried pressing ctrl+alt+plus to change the screen size? it may be as easy as doing that or starting with cheat code 'knoppix screen=800x600'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BradC
the SuSE Live-CD is an entirely different concept anyway; it tries to show people the pleasures of Yast2, other than that it's just well, kinda, crippled;-)
In short, I don't like it, Knoppix does a much better job with autodetection, has more features, fewer bugs, less bloat and it's actually intended for people who want to get real work done!
Just my 2 cents worth..
p.s.: The "full install" SuSE 9 ain't bad though!
I've tried Morphix, Knoppix, slax (won't work for me) and I just tried to install or boot from PCLinux Live CD (can't find the kernal image on the cd I burned). So far out of all of these Knoppix seems to work best (Oh! Damn small Linux worked good also). I really wanted to try PClinux because I understand that I can use both Gnome and KDE. Depending on how I feel I like to have both Gnome and KDE installed so as to boot into either one if I feel like it. This is why I wanted to try PClinux but to no avail. I can't even find answers to my problem on PClinux online or doing a web search. Suse to me is the best full distro out there but I'm running with limited resources so I can't get Suse 9 and run on my machine. I have Suse 8. Seems like Knoppix rules when it comes to Live CD distros!
I'm with BaldYeti, when I openned this thread, I expected a flame-city, but, to my surprise, it was informative, and, well, civilized...
Now, my 2 shillings worth...
I have not tried anything other than Knoppix, and, for that matter, Knoppix did run flawlessly -=- with a few cheatcodes, and some selected purchasing of hardware, precisely, a WinModem issue.
Knoppix did something that no other OS has done, for me, that is. It introduced me to a world outside of Windows OS's. It brought me into, what I feel, is the future, Linux. Knoppix was, like I like to use, a kid in a candy store - with an all expenses paid account.
Knoppix was slick, somewhat easy to translate from a Windows World user, and it ran like a campion horse, for days on end, without requireing rebooting every day. Adding software was simple, and easy, and didn't require rebooting six times to get it running. Sheesh, I installed Win98, and I counted four (required) reboots to get it running, Knoppix hard drive installed in just one: boot to CD, install, and reboot into hard drive, thats it.
As for the "flavor" issue, all I can say is, what ever works for you. Considering we are all up against the "Mighty Microsoft" monopoly, Linux as a whole, it is amazing that any OS can handle some of the "microsoft specific" hardware issues, that exist. Linux, as a whole, does very well to tackle these problems. But, then again, when you have a OS that is supported by OpenSource, and a community of talented people behind it, hey, why shouldn't it succeed?
The "war" has started, Microsoft is turning its attention toward a "small" competition. I am sure that "someone" is behind the issues of "locking up" the OpenSource process, not naming names, but, IMHO, I think it has something to do with microsoft. I am quite sure that Microsoft knows how to "pull the plug" on Linux, and that would be to lock down the talent behind Linux, through the Openness of it.
Microsoft is natorious at taking out companies, not that this has been in the news lately, not much can go up against them, and win. Considering the magnitude of the "Company". Microsoft has gotten where it is today, through the use of "swallowing" companies whole, or throwing them into a lawsuit, until the compitition runs out of resources to continue to fight it.
Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is good, the products are good, the OS's, well, ok, they are getting to about average now, I'm being honest here. But, Microsoft has lost its "edge", that "new cutting edge look and feel", and it releases a lot of its OS's on its history. Win98 was just a little re-hash of Win95, WinNT was groundbreaking, but a lot of the newer OS's are just "mix and match" of this OS with that OS, stuff. Thats breaking down an OS to its smallest parts, and seeing what they have, mostly, in common with what they already have out.
Microsoft did one thing, in its early days, get a "main-stream" GUI on (almost) everyones desk, work location, etc...
Now, I may be seeing this all with "new" Linux eyes, the "new" OS. I never saw a "Linux" GUI in my life, I always thought Linux was closely related to its predicessor, UNIX - and thought it not only was GUI'less, but only had a command line, what I would liken to DOS. But, Knoppix floored me, made me seriously look to Linux as my new OS, and have since, made my system only Linux.
I think Linux is the next "evolutionary" step, in a long history of "where computers are going."
And before I leave, I'd like to say, that this computer evolutionary scale is somewhat like the evolution of man, and goes something like this:
DOS --> Windows running under DOS --> WIndows --> Linux --> who knows :?:
Cuddles
I think you have to realise this is apples and oranges.
Knoppix is way more mature....
It als started from a firmer base. Texstar has to start off with a quirky system with Mandrake and fix lots of issues before it can even boot...
I haven't actually tried it but from the reports so far it appears way better than the official MandrakeMove offering....
Just a quick correction cuddles ... thats PC evolutionary scale not comuter evolutionary scale:D
Big difference....
(take say VMS)
punch cards-> TOS -> DOS's -> virtual machines -> DecWindows ->death
Whats really strange is that DOS was such a massive step backwards....
Almost like humans regressed back to something before apes ...
In the 80's most computers were multiuser/mutlitasking.
Virtual machines were common
Then DOS came along and we threw out the baby with the bathwater.
Its actually amazing becuase Linux is nothing special, just the timing of it. BEOS Came and went, then got dug up and resurected by apple.
BSD has been around for ever.... (so it seems)
All of these have different strong points and weak points, Linux is just the success ... technically BSD is 'nicer' but its also a heck of a lot of trouble.
GoWater,
Good point, I should have clarified my statement, I guess I assumed that most people, like me, are coming from a PC / Windows background, and "migrating" over to the Linux side.
I didn't mean to imply "this" was something that was applied to main-frames, or workstations connected to those main-frames ( most being dumb-terminals -=- oops, maybe I should change that for the Politically Correct statement :?: Dumb-Terminal = Intelectually Challenged Terminals :D )
Sorry for the assumption that we were talking about Personal Computers, and thus, the statement of what "I" feel the Personal Computer Evolutionary Scale...
Just to poke fun at you GoWater - you didn't clarify your statement about "PC" :oops: [giggle] Did you mean Politically Correct, or Personal Computer :?: [giggle] j/k
Cuddles
:oops:
darn'it!!!
Theirs me being a pedant and leaving a glaring error
Actually the reason I pointed it out is its important to realise just how much DOS was a regression and how much compatibility with DOS has held back PC's. (or bus challenged computers as we call them today)
Its amazing to look at the casualty list on the way of better things than DOS and its progeny. AMIGA to name just one.
We tend to think of the casualties of the 'browser wars' or the casualties of the 'Corel skirmish' both very sad and regrettable but forget that the whole hardware side was crippled too.
All of this was available in BSD/Linux/BEOS from day one and only today is OS support recovering from someone copying someones code they thought wasn't even worth copyrighting or defending (QDos) ...
In the meantime we have had the market dominated to such a point that most manufacturers actually only made Windows products. They even went further and made half products (like winmodems and winprinters)
Anyway please don't apologise..... you made a good point, I just liked what you said and wanted to add to it even more.
OMG :!:
I remember those "wars" - even the Stacker Skirmish...
I just wanted to say, you were right, sometimes we don't think about "everything" that has happened to this point, and just graze over the ones we "think" were important.
I always thought IBM and OS/2 Warp were going to give Microsoft a run for the money, and then the fiasco with IBM and Apple (the supposed "vapor-ware" of Pink)...
Its the same thing in the Noise Reduction world - audio - Dolby is actually lame when it comes down to noise reduction. You can easily play a Dolby B or C encrypted audio without having any Dolby decoder, just decrease your treble - NOW, you want to talk about Noise Reduction - DBX is WAY better - and you HAVE TO have a decoder, or it is almost un-listenable.
What happened - Dolby got to market faster, and was taken by Companies and Manufacturers before DBX could even walk in the door. Not to mention that Dolby had the "trendy" double-D logo - another similarity of the Personal Computer World (corolation)
Appologize? Me? Hmmmmmm, why??? You made a good point, so did I, no appology needed, on either side. I took no offense to your pointing out something I missed, all for the good :D
Cuddles
Ooh I remember all that pointless violence and it reminded me of the disk defrag debacle....
More recently but very much forgotten is the Antarctic Countries Peace Initiaive or acpi as we call it now.
Apparently it was an international agreement that everyone signed up to the the United States of Redmond decided not comply....
the infamous win98 dev team (I think its a really secret special forces group) went in and somehow they rewrote the whole thing covertly so it only worked for Redmond.
:oops: I might be bordering on silly now.....
Hi I'm confused to the status of Suse Linux. Is it free or is it commercial software? On the web site, you can download both the live cd and install version. However, I seen it for sale at compusa. so I'm not sure.
Yes, to both...Quote:
Hi I'm confused to the status of Suse Linux. Is it free or is it commercial software?
There is a 'free' version of SuSE (a friend is running it), and there is a commercial packaged SuSE OS, with it you get about 7 or so CD's, and manual(s).
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I don't know if I've said this here but my $0.02...
If you can run knoppix without problems run knoppix.
If you have to run RedHat to run proprietary software run RedHat.
If you like the almost completely manual approach of Slackware run Slackware.
If you like SuSE and all of the available packages for SuSE run SuSE.
If you like debian based systems run a debian based system.
I don't like knoppix as an installed OS so I don't run knoppix hd installs, but that is my choice.
Linux is all about choices, and because of choices I have always been able to find a distro to (a) run on the hardware I needed to use and (b) have the packages I needed. On my wife's computer (almost 2 years ago) redhat installed flawlessly, debian, libranet and slackware wouldn't, so instead of complaining I ran redhat, even though I don't like redhat.
I have a computer in my office that won't run knoppix, but it runs Slackware-Live no problem, so guess what live OS I run on it.
Rule #1: use a tool that works
Rule #2: use the tool needed for the job
~rock
id just to say im with cuddles on this im a definetive noob to knoppix(linux) i came from windows (win98,nt.xp pro) and linux knocks me for six im still using the live cd but as soon as i gather enough info im gonna install it to my hard drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuddles
i really did think linux was gonna resemble DOS :oops: but now i know what all the fuss is about. Goodbye bill gates. Dont get me wrong i was quite happy with windows because i knew nothing else
long live linux
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