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    Difference between Beginner and Old Debian HD Install?

    Whats the difference between the new "Beginner" and the "Old Debian" HD install methods used by the new knoppix-installer?

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    I've been wondering that myself, but from what little I've been able to glean from searches on this forum and Google, I think the Knoppix and beginner options still retain some sort of hardware autodetection/configuration during each boot, whereas I think the Debian option will keep all your settings once it's installed.

    I could very well be oversimplifying this, but I haven't really run across a good description of the differences myself. Hopefully, some enlightened individual will share his knowledge...

    HAH!! I just was browsing around the faq area, and found an article about knoppix-installer that does describe some of the differences:

    the link: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixInstaller

    the pertinent text:
    knoppix type installs and debian/beginner type installs are two quite different things. Debian type installs are very similar to a beginner type except that it runs system_services which changes (removes) the hardware detection system and uses a common command line for the kernel except for a few rescue type commands which carry on to the installed system. A beginner type install retains Knoppix's hardware autodetection and the full command line/cheatcodes.

    Types of installation:

    * 1 Knoppix (hd swap services boot)
    o 1.1 A copy of the liveCD on hard disk
    o 1.2 Works exactly as the cd based system does except apt-get can be used to add more software and the system is no longer read-only.
    o 1.3 DOES NOT ALLOW MULTIPLE USERS! You are logged in automatically, without a password. NOT a good idea if you are hooked up to a network and mind if your box is cracked and used for illegal purposes. Fine for a dedicated, disconnected desktop system.
    o 1.4 Carries kernel command line to new system (i.e. Cheat codes) except for vga, initrd and BOOT_IMAGE
    * 2 Debian (hd swap name user userpass rootpass host services boot)
    o 2.1 Just carries acpi, noapic, nosmp, pci, pnpbios and noapm forward on the kernel command line
    o 2.2 Allows multiple users
    o 2.3 Bears the closest resemblance to a "normal" debian installation.
    * 3 Beginner Default (hd swap name user userpass rootpass host services boot)
    o 3.1 Uses Knoppix Hardware detection
    o 3.2 Allows multiple users
    o 3.3 Carries kernel command line to new system (i.e. Cheat codes) except for vga, initrd and BOOT_IMAGE
    anyway, i hope this helps.

    --sarge

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    Any idea if, after first doing a 'Beginner Default' install, it's possible to chnage this to a 'Debian' install (by e.g. running the system_services script)?

    And vice-versa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by c123
    Any idea if, after first doing a 'Beginner Default' install, it's possible to chnage this to a 'Debian' install (by e.g. running the system_services script)?

    And vice-versa?
    I think you can do that manually by opening up /etc/init.d/knoppix-hd-autoconfig and change the line SYSTEM_TYPE="beginner" to SYSTEM_TYPE="debian".

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    I happened to know about this thread. It might help explain.

    http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...?p=51808#51808

    jd

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