mzi, I love my command line, too. And I have been using it a lot lately as I got into more KDE-ness (to see just why something isn't working, the errors are nice to be able to note in the gui, it just usually dies a slow blinking, timeout death. It is very nice to see niceties (sp?) that even XP doesn't offer. I remember getting a sick sort of chuckle that XP could burn from its file mgr and doh, even look inside zip archives like a regular file (gee, linux does that). But this ripping thing from a file mgr in linux is really so, well, damn adorable I went through hoops to rip in windows, with aspi layer this and that. And all I need to do in linux is like "browse" a cd and copy or open it from the mp3 folder. That is cool. I am old and easily impressed LOL, but I think it very cool