gnome anyone?

[Durand Hicks]

Nish,

I tried out GNOME a while back, and personally agree with some of the posters as regards the various quirks about GNOME. I even did a debian install using the sarge netinstaller and installed GNOME and enlightenment, but was unable to use enlightenment because I couldn't find out how to modify gdm to show the different window managers like kdm. Next was the lack of scrolling on the desktops, the lack of power options in nautilus, various other things. However, on the whole GNOME is simple enough, that I think it would make a good interface for a newbie who just wants to use the computer rather than tinker with it. KDE is definitely for the power user but it's bloated. I do like and make heavy use of konqueror as the file manager in enlightenment, because of the right-click power user options. Nautilus has a nasty habit of taking over enlightenment's desktop and robs me of it's power user options that I really crave. I'm still trying to work out the quirks in ROX-filer, and it seems that it doesn't automatically update the mime-data info like konqueror does. As you can see, I'm a big fan of enlightenment, and I make no bones about it. It's small, fairly quick, and has the right mix of power user options and eye candy hands down, IMO. But with Linux being all about choices, what works for me doesn't necessarily work for everybody else. If there was a way I could rip out a huge portion of KDE and leave just the necessary parts I want/need, then I would have a small and quick installation that I would like to back up to an ISO.

[champagnemojo]

Champagne - I mix up the code names all the time, too. I rather just call them stable, testing and unstable I have partimage and would like to try, the description I think said for reiser and ext2 - I use ext3 (which is just ext2 with journaling, no? ) don't suppose I can hurt anything trying

I know, I'm bad with names period. Partimage does support ext3. I didn't realize you were on dial-up though nish...now I see why you wanted to make sure gnome was worth a try before you went for it.

mzilikazi, I'm trying rox-filer out now . It's not bad...very fast. Is there any way to change the text editor it uses though?

[mzilikazi]

mzilikazi, I'm trying rox-filer out now . It's not bad...very fast. Is there any way to change the text editor it uses though?

It took me a while to figure out that one but it's actually quite simple. Find a file that ends w/ .txt. Right click>Set Run Action. Then open up the directory w/ your editor in it (rox /usr/bin for example) and simply drag the executable over. Now when you right click and select Open As Text it will use your editor. You can also customize the Send To menu.

[nishtya]

is there no limit to the wonders of KDE? Might rethink bothering with gnome at all.

This morning, noted a new KOffice but didn't want to leave it downloading in case of tstorms while at work. So just played around this a.m. with konqi as a file mgr some (I still feel it a poor second to moz as browser/email...and I use the WHOLE mozz-not too mention konqi isn't anywhere near as cute as moz). Anyhow, have been upgrading ALSA and had an audio cd in there to be sure sound was still working (it has been, yay...I upgraded ALSA successfully! ) Anyway, took another look at konqi's "audio browser". I think it was a konq plugin I installed (I told you, I shop for debs, love KPKG ) Oh, and I know about the bug with not being able to eject a cd if you had konq on audio browsering it when you closed konq

Anyway, noticed in that audio browser an "mp3" folder. Thought that odd because this is a stamped, regular audio cd. Took a look. Guess what? Konqi can rip CDs.....TEEEHEEEE! I spent last weekend installing lame for KAudiocreator...and I guess it carries over to konqi. That is just too adorable (and a little unsettling MS-IE-like ) Damned if KDE isn't a well-rounded little bugger. (but I am still sticking with Moz as long as I can for my browsing/email )

Champagne- glad to hear that partimage will handle my ext3 and my windows/fat32 disk is fast becoming storage for my linux squeezes and it would be nice to tuck an image of my main squeeze there

[mzilikazi]

Guess what? Konqi can rip CDs.....TEEEHEEEE! I spent last weekend installing lame for KAudiocreator...and I guess it carries over to konqi.

I didn't know that. I just type 'copy' from cli and in a few minutes the cdrom tray opens and asks for a blank and burns the copy.

Or type 'burn image.iso' and again the cdrom tray opens, you put in a disc an moments later your .iso is burned. Even easier, click an *.iso from rox-filer and .......you guessed it.

How? Simple scripts. I always thought it was just overkill to have too many buttons and windows when all you needed was a simple command. Don't get me wrong, I like my Linux desktop and spend 75% of my time there. Sometimes tho scripts really make life easy for you.

[nishtya]

mzi, I love my command line, too. And I have been using it a lot lately as I got into more KDE-ness (to see just why something isn't working, the errors are nice to be able to note in the gui, it just usually dies a slow blinking, timeout death. It is very nice to see niceties (sp?) that even XP doesn't offer. I remember getting a sick sort of chuckle that XP could burn from its file mgr and doh, even look inside zip archives like a regular file (gee, linux does that). But this ripping thing from a file mgr in linux is really so, well, damn adorable I went through hoops to rip in windows, with aspi layer this and that. And all I need to do in linux is like "browse" a cd and copy or open it from the mp3 folder. That is cool. I am old and easily impressed LOL, but I think it very cool

[mzilikazi]

Errors! One of my favorite things about Linux. Not that we get them of course but that they are actually useful. Unlike the following:

"The application <insert app here> has crashed and will be closed by Windows."

Wow.....that is the most helpful thing I've heard all day......

As I've said before, I think it's only end users who enjoy Windows so much. I've never heard "Oh boy my windows netowrk is so easy to administrate."

Oh and another thing. Why is there a job title of "Outlook server Administrator"

It takes so much attention that it's become a job title?!?!?!?
You gotta have a degree to run one server?!?!?

Well, the point is, whatever your GUI as long as you've got Linux behind it you're doing all right by me. It has nothing to do with opinions about this that and the other. It has to do with facts and the facts are the Windows is hosing up my network!

I think it's all a matter of trying it out for a bit before you begin to see the advantages of Linux. It isn't something that can simply be explained by charts, graphs and *cough* TCO studies. Linux is an experience.

I may yet get an urge to try KDE but not until K3B can make a 1:1 DVD-9 to DVD-5 copy. When that happens let me know......