Indepth dual boot, 2hd's, windows(1) knoppix(2) help

**CrashedAgain** · 12-03-2004, 01:57 AM

If you now have your HD's jumpered so that the windows drive is the boot drive, you will not be able to run your knoppix system because the lilo boot manager is not on the boot drive. You will have to install lilo onto the same drive as you are using as your boot drive.
You could use your Knoppix CD to boot into your knoppix HD install and try to edit lilo from there but that may be difficult because with the drive jumpers changed, the drive number designations may not be the same as what is in lilo.conf.
Perhaps the easiest solution is to reinstall knoppix but do the install with both HD's connected as there are going to be on the final system. Knoppix will then auto detect all partitions and include the windows option when it installs lilo. The HD install program should find the linux formatted HD & offer to install linux there. When prompted, put lilo on the MBR and it will install lilo to the mbr of the designated boot drive, ie the windows drive.

**mkyb14** · 12-03-2004, 02:24 AM

ok so i reverted the jumpers to master so that it boots to debian instead of windows .....

ok so after following your last steps on seeing if debian can see the hd? for windows i booted up with just the two drives ... windows doesn't show on the desktop as any drive .... i'm assuming that debian isn't seeing the drive then .... there for what am i to put on the config if i don't know the drive label?

**mkyb14** · 12-04-2004, 04:05 AM

heh i tried that and it woudnl't format the drive (slave knoppix) or install to it ... strange ... but i will keep trying till i find something .... i really want this to work

**CrashedAgain** · 12-04-2004, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by mkyb14

ok so i reverted the jumpers to master so that it boots to debian instead of windows .....

ok so after following your last steps on seeing if debian can see the hd? for windows i booted up with just the two drives ... windows doesn't show on the desktop as any drive .... i'm assuming that debian isn't seeing the drive then .... there for what am i to put on the config if i don't know the drive label?

To determine if linux is seeing the drive do 'cat /etc/fstab'. All the partitions linux can findwill be listed there...wait, maybe not. If you did a 'debian style' hdinstall fstab (short for file system table, btw) will be created at initial install and will show only the drives it could see at the time. If you did a 'Knoppix style install, the system autoconfigures & creates a new fstab each boot.

If you still have an intact knoppix system installed, you may be able to create a new fstab by running 'sudo /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig'. This is the script knoppix uses to configure itself when running from CD or from Knoppix style HDinstall. It should work....but there is always the possibility it might screw up.

From your last post I guess you tried unsuccessfully to reinstall. What error message did you get? Did it actually find the second HD & refuse to install to it or did it just not find it?

You can tell what drives it is finding when you are running from the CD by running cfdisk ('sudo cfdisk'). You should get a list of all partitions found & the filetype on each.

**mkyb14** · 12-04-2004, 10:28 AM

when i tried to re-install the the app that loads wouldn't let me delete the partitions and format so that i could re-install with the windows hd connected to see if knoppix would automatically recognize it and do lilo for a dual boot.... but i will plug both hd's together and boot. when debian loads i'll try your commands that you have suggested to see if they will work for the dual boot

**mkyb14** · 12-05-2004, 12:05 AM

after setting the jumpers up and booting from the CD i've seen that it know reads both the windows drive hde1 and the cdrom boot

knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ cat /etc/fstab
/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
/sys /sys sysfs noauto 0 0
/dev/pts /dev/pts devpts mode=0622 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/auto/floppy auto user,noauto,exec,umask=000 0 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/auto/cdrom auto user,noauto,exec,ro 0 0
/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/auto/cdrom1 auto users,noauto,exec,ro 0 0
# Added by KNOPPIX
/dev/hde1 /mnt/hde1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000,uid=knoppix,gid=kno ppix 0 0
# Added by KNOPPIX
/dev/hdf1 /mnt/hdf1 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0
knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$

i sill cannot however run 'sudo cfdisk' ... it gives me a fatal error.

therefore i started knoppix-installer
now i'm at the screen where it ask's where to install the boot lilo ... mbr or partition .... seeing as i'm on different hd's i woudlnt' think that it's partition .... so i'm gonna leave it up like this till i get a respose on what to do with lilo so thati can get it installed .... seeing as i've never gotten it this far i don't want to shut it down

what's next?[/b]

**mkyb14** · 12-05-2004, 11:21 PM

the easiest way to get this for windows users is to make hd #1 or windows in my case primary on the cable as well as the jumpers for the hd. Then drive to slave on the cable and jumpers .... put the knoppix cd in and boot up to it ... then 'knoppix' loads it from disc.... then open the terminal and 'knoppix-installer' ... when it asks you to format and what not it will say something on the lines of MBR or partition for the lilo boot manager ... choose MBR.... then once install is done to the SLAVE hd, restart .... take the cd out and BOOM you have dual boot for knoppix 3.6 and windows xp pro sp2 ..... ownage heh!
machine one is intel 633 celeron (emachines 633id)
machine two is a custom: amd athlon xp +2000 ---(dual boot)

i'll post some tutorials for getting a basic webserver setup on this debian stuff ... since it took me so long i figure i'll make it easy for others. i'll post back when i get it done.

http://www.sit-and-spin.com

**CrashedAgain** · 12-06-2004, 05:13 AM

Glad you got it working.

**mkyb14** · 12-06-2004, 07:59 AM

and as promised i'll soon post a tutorial indepth for a basic windows / knoppix tutorial for others to follow.
also for php, mysql, and apache.... seeing as no one has done so in one complete article ... i'll post back in a few days when i get it fully detailed.

thanks again to everyone that helped

**sakiZ** · 12-08-2004, 06:06 PM

I just installed Knoppix to my 2nd hard drive dual booting with XP. I runs great!

I used a method I have not seen on this forum. I used a boot loader utility called bootpart.

Get it from www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm See also the relevant documentation regarding debian and dual boot.

It is great for Linux newbies. With bootpart I can skip Lilo.

Instead, bootpart puts a line into the boot.ini menu. I mean that literally. It installs the new menu option for you. You type nothing.

It is extremely easy to use and almost configures itself.

I highly recommend it.

sakiZ