Well, it took 2 downloads. The first one had md5 problems. This is coming to you from one of my hd installs. 3.8.1 seems to be alive and well. I don't have time right now to look at the differences but I've noticed a few. I now have winxp, knoppix 3.7, 3.8, 3.8.1 and puppy all on one hd and they're all getting along just fine. Good luck and I sure hope you find your problem.