KDE, apt-get and Knoppix

[Icekiss]

By the way, when I'm trying to install kdict now, I got a HUGE amount of unmet dependencies:

root@terminus:/home/knoppix# apt-get -s install kdict
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
kappfinder: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kcharselect: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kcoloredit: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.1) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
kdepim-libs: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kdessh: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kdict: Depends: kdelibs3 (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt2 (>= 3:2.3.1-1) but it is not going to be installed
khexedit: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kmail: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libkdenetwork2 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody2 is to be installed
Depends: libmimelib1 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-1woody2 is to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
ksim: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
kuickshow: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
libarts1-dev: Depends: libarts1 (= 1.1.2-1) but 1.1.0-0woody4 is to be installed
libartsc0-dev: Depends: libartsc0 (= 1.1.2-1) but 1.1.0-0woody4 is to be installed
libfam-dev: Depends: libfam0c102 (= 2.6.10-1) but it is not going to be installed
libkscan1: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsane (>= 1.0.11-3) but 1.0.11-2 is to be installed
Depends: libusb-0.1-4 (>= 1:0.1.7) but 1:0.1.6a-2.1 is to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).

As I read it, apt-get states that all the pakets that where to be installed bear to low version numbers???

[garyng]

I have seen this kind of annoying behaviour before about apt-get. There is some logic inside that actually prevent this kind of mixing stable/testing/unstable, at least not the way I expect it to work. Can you try uncomment both stable/testing in the sources.list ?

[Icekiss]

stable, testing and unstable are all uncommented (sources.list ist still the one posted in the first post of this thread)
I decided for this sources.list after reading a whole thread debatting about it. (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2086)
testing is used as a standard (apt.conf), but I had to specify "-t unstable" for kdict to get apt-get to work in the first place.
The weird thing is, that after breaking down once, apt-get won't let me continue (no matter if I specify "-t unstable" or not), but gives me a whole load of unmet dependencies that apparently weren't there before!
If it would simply repeatedly fail to install a single package, I could force that with dpkg, but so?

[garyng]

ah, I don't know what I was typing. I was meant to say try comment out the stable/testing. the referring to 2.2.2 etc. was sourced from that two source. apt-get just got mixed up here and there, that is my experience with it.

people say apt-get rules, I think there is still lots of minor details(especially in this mixing environment) needs to be ironed out. Not as smart as I expected.

[Icekiss]

Ok, I did outcomment them (leaving only the two unstable lines uncommented inside the sources.list), did apt-get update to inform apt-get about that change, and then typed the same "apt-get -s install kdict": Same huge list of unmet dependencies
And again, adding the "-t unstable" doesn't change a thing.

[garyng]

nothing more I can help

I also found this apt-get thing very annoying, may be time to go gentoo, if you have the necessary hardware.

For now, I am satisfied with my Woody only environment, less conflicts to deal with(not that there isn't, just manageable).

[RockMumbles]

kappfinder: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.2) but 4:3.1.0-0woody5 is to be installed
Depends: libfam0c102 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed

this is what dpkg -l kappfinder gives me on my woody system:
ii kappfinder 3.1.1-0woody3 KDE Application Finder

note: I am using version 3.1.1-0woody3 of kappfinder and on your machine you are trying to install 3.1.0-0woody5 a lower version than I am running on my woody system. Something is wrong!

What does:
apt-get -s install kdebase
give for output?

But why the heck do I have to upgrade half my system?
I thought KDE 3 stays binary-compatible?

Not so for almost the entire KDE system!
One of the major headaches with KDE is that every minor version (3.0 - 3.1 etc) has to be almost completely reinstalled because a big chunk of the whole KDE system is changed.

Note: when(if) you do the kdebase upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade) you will run into some dkpg errors because of files being included in two packages, so when you get the dpkg foo-bar file is also in package blah error, see this post

HTH

rock

[Icekiss]

At the moment it would state "kdebase is already the newest version"
I went on playing with apt-get and dpkg and finale made the upgrade (though I temporarilly deconfigured my KDE by mistake )
Everything seems to run fine, except I somehow managed to crash the KDE help system (states "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_help'.)

So I can now say something about upgrading KDE on knoppix: It is important to reduce the sources.list to just two lines: either the two for testing or the two for unstable (I did it with unstable, so I can't really speak for the other choice)
Than you should do an "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install arts kdelibs kdebase kdegraphics kdeadmin kdemultimedia" or "apt-get install kde" (the second one fetches even more packages)
Hopefully apt-get doesn't see any problems beforehand and at least downloads all this stuff, cause I don't know how to get it effeciently onto your hard disk elsewhere (option --download-only strangely doesn't help)
When apt-get finally runs into a problem setting up the packages, this should be solveble using dpkg:
do "cd /var/cache/apt/archives"
dpkg expects the file name ([package]blah.deb) instead of the package-name.
But cause you're in the right directory you can simply type the packagename and let the console filll in the rest via tab
So do "dpkg -i [packagename][TAB]"
dpkg should tell you the name of another package that needs to be installed or removed first.
If it wants another package, repeat "dpkg -i [packagename][TAB]" for this package
If it wants another package removed, do "echo [package] deinstall | dpkg --set-selections"
Make sure that the steps you take make sence! "apt-cache show [package]" gives you information about a package.
When you finally managed to install the package correctly apt-get wasn't able to, you can rerun your old apt-get command, and it should procede.

Maybe this helps out, when someone faces the same problem I did.
One more hint: dont use dpkg's option "--auto-deconfigure" under any circumstances! It deconfigured all of my KDE without the sligthest hint.

I would try out my steps ones more to make sure they work, but sadly the hard disk of my laptop is to small for that (unlest I discard Windows )

[elmo]

As far as i know you have to update your source list - the ftp2 is old and should just read ftp as far as i can remember ...
try this:

# Stable
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
# Testing
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
# Unstable
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free

[garyng]

sources.list is not the problem, the problem is in the apt-get logic.

I have tried to installed KDE 3.1.2 on a woody system without problem so long I specified those packages name found on kde.org rather than the kde meta package on debian(no such think on kde.org), then add a number of other packages(3.1.2) and remove a few. All went well. Today, I wanted to reinstall a removed package(3.1.2), and the unmet condition shows up. I am now unable to install any 3.1.2 package anymore, even I haven't changed one single line in sources.list.

Either there is some bug in the apt-get logic or there is some bug in how they specify the package dependency.