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[Stephen]

a little more info:

when I click on the icon on the desktop, it opens file:/pendrive but nothing is shown

when I'm in the konsole, I type

cd /pendrive
ls

and I can see the contents of my thumbdrive in the konsole. The contents are linux programs I want to install to my new system.
Where is the communication issue?
Thanks for all your help already
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Try adding umask=000 to make it rw,noatuto,user,umask=000 you may have to add uid=1000,gid=1000 this assumes that you are user 1000 to check use the id command in a console it will tell you the numbers in the first two fields. Also if you can see the files in the console then you can just copy them to a directory of your choice with the cp command eg. cp /pendrive/* /directory_to_be_copied_too/ which would copy the entire contents of the pendirve to the directory copied too. When you do the ls in the console are you root?

[drbfunk]

I am in root when I do the ls.

I did the instructions exactly as they were written and now when I click on the shortcut on my desktop it says: "Access denied to /pendrive"

A couple of things:
The usbdevfs is still highlighted in red in the etc/fstab. Not red text, but rather like when I type something wrong. i.e. this last time I wrote unmask instead of umask and it was red. Should I be concerned? Sorry to keep bringing this up, but it seems problematic to me.

Second, this was written in another forum:
pardon a newbie. hotplug seems to be working.
I looked in /proc/bus/usb/devices and /proc/bus/usb/drivers
and my usb had been installed.

When I type those in the Kwebbrowser I get a prompt asking me which program I would like to access this with. Is this normal? I'm thinking that these problems may intersect somewhere.
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[Stephen]

I am in root when I do the ls.

I did the instructions exactly as they were written and now when I click on the shortcut on my desktop it says: "Access denied to /pendrive"

That is what I thought it is a permission problem those additions to the fstab line I gave you in the previous post were to try and solve this. Try this one it should work chown user_name:user_name /pendrive this will change the ownership of the pendirve directory to the user name you have chosen of course you would substitute the user name that you have chosen or you could use the uid and gid numbers you get from the id command in place of the user_name if you wish.

A couple of things:
The usbdevfs is still highlighted in red in the etc/fstab. Not red text, but rather like when I type something wrong. i.e. this last time I wrote unmask instead of umask and it was red. Should I be concerned? Sorry to keep bringing this up, but it seems problematic to me.

Looks like the spell checking then, that is the line I have in my /etc/fstab and it works for my UPS (the system sees it as a keyboard/mouse) but it just being a power backup I can't really tell if I can access it none of the software I can find wants to talk usb.

Second, this was written in another forum:
pardon a newbie. hotplug seems to be working.
I looked in /proc/bus/usb/devices and /proc/bus/usb/drivers
and my usb had been installed.

When I type those in the Kwebbrowser I get a prompt asking me which program I would like to access this with. Is this normal? I'm thinking that these problems may intersect somewhere.
B

That looks like Konqueror thinks you want to open a file and is asking you what progam you want to use to view it with.

Also you may want to try the fstab line without the umask=000 line and just the uid and gid before you start changing the permissions on directory. And lastly you do not mention if you tried to copy the files from the command line like I suggested in my previous post.

[drbfunk]

Thanks for the help. The USB drive works great now. I can't access it in my user account, but when I log in as root everything works like I would expect it to. I didn't end up doing the install from the konsole like you suggested, instead I logged in as root and everything worked like you had previously written.

When I accessed my USB I installed a program called ecasound. The installation went well according to the readme file, but now I can't open it. Should I just buy some cheesy "Linux for Dummies" book or something. I seem to be having more problems than I should be posting. Also, my Cd-rom won't mount.

When I type mount /dev/cdrom /mnt (or /cdrom instead of /mnt) it reads: /dev/cdrom: Imput/output error
mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
/dev/cdrom: Imput/output error
mount: you must specify the filesystem type

Anyway, thanks for all your help on the USB device. I'm trying to find some friends or local people that I can learn this system from. It's definatly better than Windows, but it speaks an entirely new language I don't know.
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[Stephen]

Thanks for the help. The USB drive works great now. I can't access it in my user account, but when I log in as root everything works like I would expect it to. I didn't end up doing the install from the konsole like you suggested, instead I logged in as root and everything worked like you had previously written.

When I accessed my USB I installed a program called ecasound. The installation went well according to the readme file, but now I can't open it. Should I just buy some cheesy "Linux for Dummies" book or something. I seem to be having more problems than I should be posting. Also, my Cd-rom won't mount.

When I type mount /dev/cdrom /mnt (or /cdrom instead of /mnt) it reads: /dev/cdrom: Imput/output error
mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
/dev/cdrom: Imput/output error
mount: you must specify the filesystem type

Anyway, thanks for all your help on the USB device. I'm trying to find some friends or local people that I can learn this system from. It's definatly better than Windows, but it speaks an entirely new language I don't know.
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You are going to all this trouble and the program is already available in Debian LOL, it's good for the learning though.

HappyTux:/home/stephen/archives/deb# apt-cache search ecasound
libecasound7 - shared libraries for ecasound
libecasoundc0 - C bindings for ecasound
libkvutils2 - kvutils library required for ecasound
ecasound - Multitrack-capable audio recorder and effect processor
libecasound-dev - development files for ecasound
libecasound7c102 - shared libraries for ecasound
libecasoundc0-dev - c binding files for ecasound (devel)
libecasoundc0c102 - C bindings for ecasound
libkvutils-dev - kvutils library required for ecasound - development
libkvutils2c102 - kvutils library required for ecasound
python-ecasound - python binding files for ecasound
ecamegapedal - an audio effects pedal application
ecasound-el - emacs binding files for ecasound sound editing environment
ecasound2.2 - Multitrack-capable audio recorder and effect processor
ecawave - graphical audio file editor
libecasound2.2-dev - development files for ecasound
libecasoundc2.2-dev - c binding files for ecasound (devel)
libkvutils2.2-dev - kvutils library required for ecasound - development
python-ecasound2.2 - python binding files for ecasound 2.2
swh-plugins - Steve Harris's LADSPA plugins
HappyTux:/home/stephen/archives/deb# apt-cache policy ecasound
ecasound:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.0.4-11
  Version Table:
     2.0.4-11 0
        990 http://ftp2.de.debian.org testing/main Packages
        600 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
     2.0.3-5 0
        500 http://ftp2.de.debian.org stable/main Packages

So you may want to install using apt-get if you can not get it working. How are you trying to start the program any errors? Usually you would just have to type in the name of the program on the command as long as it got installed in a directory already in your path if it was installed into /usr/local/bin/ then use that in front of the program name. To find out where the program is use locate ecasound or whereis ecasound once you find the file use ls -l /path/to/ecasound it may not have been made executable ( x in the line like this drwxr-xr-x ) [i] if this is the case then chmod +x /path/to/ecasound as root to make it executable.

For the cdrom put -t iso9660 in the mount line that should tell the mount that it is a CD file system you may also check the line in the /etc/fstab for the device it should mount with no problem without the -t at least it does on my machine but I use the /dev/scd0 for the scsi emulation you may want to try this if you continue to get the error with the -t in the command what it looks like in my install:

/dev/scd0       /cdrom          iso9660 ro,user,noauto          0       0

For the USB one more thing that you can check is the permissions on the directory pendrive with ls -l /pendrive it should have something like this at the start drwxr-xr-x for the permissions if not then use chmod 0755 /pendrive and see if you can access it as a normal user.

[drbfunk]

As always I'm extremely thankful for your help.

I went 0 for 3 on the last run however.

What/Where is the Debian LOL?

I tried the cdrom code and now it gives the same Imput/output message but now it adds, "you must specify the filesystem type."

I tried the /pendrive tricks with no positive outcome. As long as I can access it now, I think that I'll live with this problem until I can get better aquainted with Linux.

Again, thanks for all your help. How did you get to learn so much of this system? was it books or doing what I'm doing. Can you suggest a good windows to linux book? Thanks. B

[Stephen]

As always I'm extremely thankful for your help.

I went 0 for 3 on the last run however.

What/Where is the Debian LOL?

I meant the Debian repositry so you can install the program you want with apt-get and you were going through all this to install the same program from the usb LOL= laughing out loud. Another trick anytime you run across one of these acronyms (LOL) use dict in a console window eg. dict LOL will use the dictionary program to give you the meaning of most acronyms and if you do not misspell the words to bad will give you suggestions on the proper spelling as well as the meaning of the word.

I tried the cdrom code and now it gives the same Imput/output message but now it adds, "you must specify the filesystem type."

Boy that one is strange what kind of CD is it, can you put it in the drive and access it through the shortcut on the desktop?

I tried the /pendrive tricks with no positive outcome. As long as I can access it now, I think that I'll live with this problem until I can get better aquainted with Linux.

Fair enough I was winging it there anyway it must be something simple though that I can't figure out because you can assess it as root so there is some kind of permission problem for the normal user.

Again, thanks for all your help. How did you get to learn so much of this system? was it books or doing what I'm doing. Can you suggest a good windows to linux book? Thanks. B

Just by reading, searching the web on any errors things like that it's all self taught. Speaking of searching did you know you can type a shortcut in the address bar od Konqueror and a search term and hit enter and have it searched for eg. gg:some search item then enter key would search Google with the term. There is a thread on a book about using Knoppix to get from windows you may want to check it out. Another great place for information is the Debian User mailing list it is very high volume (250-400 mails a day sometimes) mailing list but there is all kinds of good stuff you can learn there you may want to use a news reader to view it you can subscribe to any of the Debian lists here I would suggest the Debian security announce this list gives you announcements of packages that have been upgrade for security reasons usually only 2or 3 emails a week at most sometimes none for weeks.

Some links:

http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/
http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/linux/rute/rute.htm
http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Beginners/


And if you every want to recompile the kernel.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/sys...MAL-KERNEL-PKG

[drbfunk]

I guess I don't know what Debian is. Is it a website? I tried there and they said it has been compromised.

I am embarassed about the LOL. Here I thought it was a command and it simply means what I knew it to mean all along. Oops.

I tried the tricks with the Cd drive, even some that we'd tried with the pendrive. It still gives the imput/output errors (previously written) and the permissions error. It seems I don't have permission to access hardly anything on my own machine. I feel like I'm in windows again I cannot access the cdrom through the desktop which is wierd because I can play CD's just fine. I tried tweaking the "properties" tab of the desktop shortcut to make it see the cdaudio instead of cdrom and succesfully stopped the cd player from working and got another permissions argument. I undid the cdaudio mount and everything worked just as fine/awful as it had before. I have 3 cd-roms on this machine. One is a usb drive (that I don't want to get into right now) another is an HP factory cd-rom that I swapped from an old machine and the one I've been playing around with is a gateway factory CD/RW drive. I had the HP and Gateway (GW) drives physically attached with a master/slave arrangement. Thinking this might be a problem, I unplugged the HP drive so only the GW drive would be seen by the machine. Turns out this is not an issue. Does knoppix usually have this many issues? Should I just download a linux program?

I'd like to do that ecasound from the debian install. Reading on the site it looks like it's already on my machine I just have to unlock it. I don't know how to do that. Also, I mysteriously got a program to work called audacity. I tried to record with it but it sounds awful when I play it back. Is this a program thing or a sound card thing.

Thanks in advance. You've been a huge help to me.
B

[Stephen]

I guess I don't know what Debian is. Is it a website? I tried there and they said it has been compromised.

HappyTux:/home/stephen# dict DEBIAN
1 definition found

From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (19 Sep 2003) [foldoc]:

  Debian

     <operating system> /deb'ee`n/, *not* /deeb'ee`n/ The
     non-profit volunteer organisation responsible for Debian
     {GNU}/{Linux} and Debian {GNU}/{Hurd}.  Debian's {Linux}
     distribution is dedicated to free and {open source} software;
     the main goal of the distribution is to ensure that one can
     download and install a fully-functional {operating system}
     that is completely adherent to the Debian Free Software
     Guidelines (DFSG).

That is the first paragraph of the definition and says it better that I could except I would add the Debian project is run entirely by volunteers from around the world. There was a couple of machine that did get taken over they were mainly the machines that run the web sites, bug tracker, and mailing list the main archives that house all the program archives were never touched and are fine to download and install programs with apt-get.

I am embarassed about the LOL. Here I thought it was a command and it simply means what I knew it to mean all along. Oops.

I tried the tricks with the Cd drive, even some that we'd tried with the pendrive. It still gives the imput/output errors (previously written) and the permissions error. It seems I don't have permission to access hardly anything on my own machine. I feel like I'm in windows again I cannot access the cdrom through the desktop which is wierd because I can play CD's just fine. I tried tweaking the "properties" tab of the desktop shortcut to make it see the cdaudio instead of cdrom and succesfully stopped the cd player from working and got another permissions argument. I undid the cdaudio mount and everything worked just as fine/awful as it had before. I have 3 cd-roms on this machine. One is a usb drive (that I don't want to get into right now) another is an HP factory cd-rom that I swapped from an old machine and the one I've been playing around with is a gateway factory CD/RW drive. I had the HP and Gateway (GW) drives physically attached with a master/slave arrangement. Thinking this might be a problem, I unplugged the HP drive so only the GW drive would be seen by the machine. Turns out this is not an issue. Does knoppix usually have this many issues? Should I just download a linux program?

No usually it does not there has to be something wrong with the way the links are setup. Can you post the output of the command dmesg | grep scsi the "|" is the pipe command on my keyboard I use the SHIFT key and at the same time \ , plus the contents of the /etc/fstab so I can see what lines are being used for the mounting. And with the master/slave configurartion of the CD's are they actually jumped one a master and one a slave or are they using cable select if the cable select then jumper them properly that can cause problems. Also can you post the output of the id command so I can see what groups you are a member of.

I'd like to do that ecasound from the debian install. Reading on the site it looks like it's already on my machine I just have to unlock it. I don't know how to do that. Also, I mysteriously got a program to work called audacity. I tried to record with it but it sounds awful when I play it back. Is this a program thing or a sound card thing.

Thanks in advance. You've been a huge help to me.
B

To check if it is already on the machine use the apt-cache policy package_name, when you want to install a program you would use apt-get an example of a simulated install:

HappyTux:/home/stephen# apt-get -s install ecasound
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
   libecasound7c102 (2.0.4-11)
   libkvutils2c102 (2.0.4-11)
Suggested packages:
   mp3-encoder ()
   python-ecasound (2.0.4-11)
   ladspa-plugin ()
   mikmod (3.1.6-7)
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   ecasound (2.0.4-11)
   libecasound7c102 (2.0.4-11)
   libkvutils2c102 (2.0.4-11)
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Inst libkvutils2c102 (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)
Inst libecasound7c102 (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)
Inst ecasound (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)
Conf libkvutils2c102 (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)
Conf libecasound7c102 (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)
Conf ecasound (2.0.4-11 Debian:testing)

This shows that I can install the program with no problems so I would remove the -s when I repeated the command (the up arrow in the console is good for this then left arrow over and backspace to delete the -s) and then actually install. Did you try the locate or whereis command to see if you can find the ecasound program that you tried to install before? Normally it would have been put into /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin when installed. For the audacity I'm not really sure I have never used it but if the sound from the audio cd sounded fine like you say then I would think it is a configuration problem with the software.

[drbfunk]

Here is the requested info

root@bryce:~# dmesg | grep scsi
etup: hdd=scsi
ide_setup: hde=scsi
ide_setup: hdf=scsi
ide_setup: hdg=scsi
ide_setup: hdh=scsi
ide-cd: passing drive hdc to ide-scsi emulation.
hdc: attached ide-scsi driver.
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 31x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr1: scsi-1 drive
scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0

# /etc/fstab: filesystem table.
#
# filesystem  mountpoint  type  options  dump  pass
/dev/hdb2  /  ext2  defaults,errors=remount-ro  0  1
/dev/hdb3  none  swap  sw  0  0
proc  /proc  proc  defaults  0  0
/dev/fd0  /floppy  vfat  defaults,user,noauto,showexec,umask=022  0  0
/dev/cdrom /cdrom    auto defaults,user,noexec,noauto  0  0
/dev/cdrom1 /cdrom1  auto rw,user,noauto   0  0
/dev/cdrom2 /cdrom2  iso9660  defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto  0  0
/dev/dvd /dvd  iso9660  defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto  0  0
/dev/cdaudio /cdaudio  iso9660  defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto  0  0
/dev/sda1  /pendrive  auto  rw,noauto,user,umask=000uid=0,gid=00 0 0 
/dev/scd0   /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0 0
/dev/sda2  /usbcdrom	auto rw,noauto,user,umask=000 0 0
none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults  0  0

# Added by KNOPPIX
/dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 vfat noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0

I haven't had a chance to really do much else. It is late here and I'm getting tired. I found Debian and it is a neat thing. The thing I was stumbling over was whether or not it was on the knoppix cd. To my knowledge it wasn't. I'll get it from debian sometime very soon.

Again... thanks a lot.
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