Now that this thread has reached 10 pages I have noticed that original reason for the post is being ignored. THE BOTTOM LINE, 3.4 will not be released untill 65MB are trimed. Just an idea but maybe we can give our ideas and let those involved in making the product decide the merits and leave the squabling for another thread. We have gotten detoured onto other topics like cd vs. dvd (myself included). lets work as a knoppix community to give our suggestions (for that's all they are) and move on. Most of the posts on this thread spend time debating the opinions of another person (opinions are rarely changed so easily) This is supposed to be a "suggestion box". No one will die if an app they use every now and then, is removed to make this thing fit.