Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

[kovk]

First I'd like to agree about koffice. I also agree about removing mozilla since Firefox loads a lot faster from the cd. Its odd though, firefox is supposed to be a lot lighted but when you apt-get it it seems to take up quite a bit of room, so I don't know. I would definately get rid of tetex since it takes lots of room and probobally most people don't have much of a use for it on a cd. On my remaster I got rid of some of the cad and drawing programs. If you wanted to make a few different versions for different regions you could save a lot of space getting rid of extra language support but you probobally won't like that idea. I'd get rid of some of the excess text editors too (and to be counterproductive, install the pico clone nano)

[eadz]

In defence of Kword etc, sure in KDE 3.1 it wasn't that good, but I am using the new version, and it's improved greatly. It can read/write MS word files and I think it would be a shame to remove it. I vote to remove some of the less used programs such as say gnumeric and maybe the kde games.. also maybe some of the hard out development tools such as kdgb.. if developers need them they will know how to download them

[Henn]

Has there been any consideration of modifying cloop to use a better compression algorithm such as bzip2/libzip2 or 7zip?

It would certainly alleviate some of the space concern at the cost of speed.

[Bobmeister]

What a great tribute to the Open Source software movement. People are FIGHTING over what they want! I think that says a lot for how far things have come from just a couple of years ago. Koffice HAS gotten MUCh better than before. I mean..there is ABIWORD also for Word processing...nice. Look at all of the choice!

This is what make this whole thing so great. Knoppix is ALSO THE REASON that I am running Linux over 95% of the time and only reluctantly do I go the other 5% because of "one" thing at work. Some want to keep the games...that's great too!

This is what makes this whole thing so wonderful.

Keep the GIMP!

[Aleu]

Guys!

Why should we keep OO along with Koffice and Abiword? Since most of us agree that OO is a must, let's remove Abiword and Koffice. This will save us lots of space. I agree with one of you who mentioned that there are too many text editiors such as Kate, Kwrite and many more. I propose to remove most of the games keeping Frozen bubble and adding Rocks and Diamonds for example (my favorite). What else?
Lets remove Apache just kidding.

Seriously, chromium takes lots of space and requires stronger graphics card...
Next, languages - OK I understand that Knoppix has to be universal, but keeping all these languages (tr, nl, ja, da...)? Well, I am not trying to discriminate anyone but lets keep the most popular languages (Oh yes, I heard you - which one are the most popular...?)
Konqueror is a must (please do not remove it!)

Well, that's all I wanted to say. What do you think? (Please do not hit me!)
Fabianx - how much space would this give you?

Thnx

[cintra]

Save 30MB in a stroke by removing Mozilla and replacing it with Opera 7.50!

[aay]

In defence of Kword etc, sure in KDE 3.1 it wasn't that good, but I am using the new version, and it's improved greatly. It can read/write MS word files and I think it would be a shame to remove it. I vote to remove some of the less used programs such as say gnumeric and maybe the kde games.. also maybe some of the hard out development tools such as kdgb.. if developers need them they will know how to download them

I have to agree with you EADZ that the 3.2 version is much better. In fact I was just playing around with Kword today. You can embed an incredible number of objects from other koffice apps in a kword file. It's also improved as a Desktop publishing app (though I'm really getting into using Scribus now). No one can have all their favorite stuff kept in, but I hope Klaus can find a some other apps to remove first. If he is not going to upgrade Rosegarden to the newest version, then please remove the old version that is still included in Knoppix. It's pretty useless compared to what the current versions can do.

[bfree]

How about Latex/Lyx et al? Do people really want them on the live CD? Does anything of any note depend upon them? Would they be missed? Completely stripping all trace of them out would (if my memory serves me correctly) remove enough to save 65M! Also I would agree with others mentioning the duality of Mozilla, I would be happy to see only one mozilla (either the full suite, or the components, not both) and gnumeric strikes me as another potential removal (if you have KOffice and OpenOffice.org having yet another spreadsheet seems too much (and out of place, KOffice goes with KDE and OO.o seems to be the overall default choice))?

[wooac]

Why not have two separate versions? A minimalist CD version
with only one office suite, no LaTeX, etc. Personally, I would
like to see about 100MB of free space on the minimal version
for easier customization.

Another DVD version with the usual packages found on most distributions.

[oldgeezer]

Knoppix has become a global phenomenon; it is extremely important to get the next version right. Perhaps start by considering what cannot be excluded. That probably includes retention as a CDRom for all the reasons given so far. It is also relevent to examine what the opposition offers and what the overall objective might be. Regardless of what the image makers would have us believe, most of the world still uses a version of W9x; WXP has been and will continue to be an unmitigated disaster for the masses - hence the appeal of Linux. For so many years, the linux community constantly engaged in foot-shooting, navel-contemplation and preaching to the converted until Klaus' little miracle arrived. The IT cognoscenti can always take care of themselves - it is their profession. Therefore, the obvious course would seem to be to chop out all the duplicated development, networking and shell options from the general release and either issue or encourage development of a specialist version separately via the remastering section of this forum for the professionals?
Firefox is good, but if Opera with M2 is smaller that is also worth serious consideration; the Norwegians are also very helpful and flexible with assistance if a little more fat needs trimming. KOffice and browser may need to stay as the fall-back, akin to notepad and wordpad - useful when all else fails! An improved digital camera module seems essential and will not help in the final choices.
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