Why Knoppix 3.4 is delayed again ...

[EdlinUser]

Klaus,
Please save us from this thread!

Really funny! Thanks.

[Lullaby]

What about removing KDE?

[EasyDisk]

I sould:

remove /usr/share/doc/ Who reads the changelog and important installation information?, but make it available on a website so in case you want to read it is available on the internet (and in most cases man gives more information) (it saves 130 Mbyte)

remove the 2.4.X kernel, just one kernel (2.6.X) is good.

make 2 version:
for example
one with languages US/EN/NL/DE and one with FR/ES/IT... (Germaan <=> Romaan (?)) or one for USA/Europe and one for the rest of the world...
(now there is also an -en and -de version, you can easily change the thedault setting by editing the file, maybe there is someone who can make an Windows tool for that for the Windows users.)
is saves +/- 50Mbyte

If there must be removed applications: emacs/tex/tetex and so. Knoppix is to show Linux to Linux newbies who are (in most cases) just normal Windows users, they want to see the Linux version of the webbrowser, office suite, email client, simple games and so on, no difficult emacs editor or so...

Make is a 2 CD version, CD1 just for the live CD, not all the emacs packages and so and CD2 is an extra CD in case you want to install it on HD, you can add emacs, documentation, games, more languages (I18n), other applications... (so a light Live CD and an extra CD with more applications in case you want to install it on HD)
In this case you can also remove dpkg with all the files and put it in CD #2.

And you could remove the pdf and ogg files from the CD, save +/- 6Mbyte.

[probono]

If there must be removed applications: emacs/tex/tetex and so. Knoppix is to show Linux to Linux newbies

But please do *not remove LyX* and the apps it needs. Programs like LyX can really show the power of Linux to newbies and demonstrate that Linux isn't just a Windows clone

But I agree, more "esoteric" tools such as emacs tend not to be very useful for the newbie...

Anyway, perhaps we really should focus on customized CDs rather than "one" Knoppix (see the "debianization of Knoppix, http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9706)

[hkfczrqj]

1. Knoppix is about KDE - Gnoppix is about GNOME, so we should stick to KDE, and lose everything there is to GNOME - environment, libs, packages, etc.

I thought that Knoppix was about Klaus Knopper

I agree that Knoppix is KDE based, and GNOME apps should be gone if there is another with similar functionality (e.g. use Kopete instead of Gaim) but removing everything related to the G word is a little too extreme. A lot of non GNOME apps depend on GNOME libs (which, AFAIK, do not take much space).

EDIT:
Oh, pls keep emacs. But if emacs is gone, I want vi gone too! . Or are you telling that vi is newbie-friendly?

Cheers...

[frontier]

Instead of taking out this or that application, why not have 2 live CDs: one with the 2.4.X kernal and the other with the 2.6.X.

[OErjan]

JOKE
hkfczrqj:
naaaah, neither VI nor emacs are user friendly, least not as much as echo or cat those are virtually minute and you can make textfiles with them... so out with all editors, just keep echo and cat who uses kword anyway? or anything X for that matter , everyone must use the console why taint Linux with graphix, text works in books, and has done for millenia, computers are no toys for kids, and as xfree86 is the comic of computers it taints them, we will not even mention other even more perverted sytems
/JOKE
naaah, seriously, there are lots of pros/cons, for all choises, i have my preference you all have yours. and Klaus has his, and as klaus is mr knoppix... HE decides, we can but pray that he chooses as wisely as he has in the past.
OErjan

[Magallanes]

Hi everyone

IMHO :

-KOffice bye!
-Many language stuff.. bye! English is enough (and Deutch for logical reasons)
-Many games.. bye!
-DVD?.. NO WAY!, dvd is about 3 or 4 gigz. Who wanna to put in a dvd?.. everythings?. In any case, Knoppix for a while is enough for a cd, i don't think to change in dvd version will made the diference. In fact, the cd version have with koffice (a lot of useless space), so without koffice, "we" have more space in cd. Yeah, everyone have a dvd player in their PC, but it's not common to have a dvd-writter in everypc. Even more, think in the distro and every server that host it (poor server that will be pushed to support +4gigz imagen U_U )
Knoppix is useable because you can run linux in any pc. Almost any pc have cd-player not dvd-player!.

I'm a older knoppix user (i'm still use a 2002 version). I missed the fact that this distro cannot have mp3s. If don't have (latest releace) then i like a knoppix version with some mp3 (not illegal).

[cm]

hi to all
I have a simpler suggestion, however more laborious, write a script OWN-CUSTOM-KNOPPIX in a way that each one can include your favorite application establishing its proper size, being it CD or DVD;
one SITE (DEBIAN by side)for acquisition the programs and a standard-image ISO for this end...

ps. i never used remaster way, but i think something like that

This sounds *very* interesting.

Imagine yourself booting the standard CD issue of Knoppix 4.0
(let's assume you have a PC with a CD- or DVD-Rom and a CD or DVD writer)
- You fire up a new GUI app (to be written, let's call it KCK (Knoppix Construction Kit (tm))).
- You start a new "Knoppix project". This creates an image with a basic Knoppix framework but without any "advanced" apps.
- KCK will let you configure a Debian sources.list
- KCK will let you install into this image any Debian packages you want (and/or klik packages?)
- KCK will let you manually add and change files to further customize the image
- The custom image will be written to CD or DVD (e.g. using k3b)

This would allow us to restrict ourselves to a CD *and* empower
people with DVD hardware to run a custom DVD issue of Knoppix.

Could this be done? Am I smoking crack?

[pbk105]

In the interest of chiming in and adding my thoughts to the fray, I believe that we should all think about what the purpose of the Knoppix CD is. As I understood, it was intended to achieve basic educational goals and to help new users get acquainted with linux. As such, I think one should consider that by far the majority of users or students getting acquaited with Linux will be coming from a Windows background and from many countries. Therefore, apps that have versions that run on both OSes should stay (Mozilla, Firebird, OOo) and those only available on Linux should go (Koffice, etc.). When the newb grows used to the Linux paradigm, he can explore his new world further by getting into Linux only apps. Of course, since Knoppix has such great appeal to users the world over, localization would be a "must retain" feature.

All the points bandied about in this thread about keeping this app or that seem to come from seasoned Knoppix users who should now be able to use apt or other methods to install packages. They should step back and consider the newbies coming to Knoppix for the first time. They should consider that some of the lesser used apps or redundant apps should be moved off the CD to wait in the wings for the moment the new user ventures to say, "What else can it do?"

At this point, every person arguing for their own apps and not giving an inch will result in us forever waiting indefinitely for something, *anything* to be released. That, does NO ONE any good.

As for me, cut whatever you like but release it on CD *not* DVD only. I'll make due with whatever I've been given *for free no less* and be happy with that.

Anyway, Knoppix has been a tremedous asset to me in my endeavor to learn more about linux and I would like to thank those involved in bringing to the world .

--Paul