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01-01-2005, 07:16 AM
#171
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Afterscape, be sure to check the paths closely in your menu.lst. Just recently, I had occasion to go through this when bfree wrote a script to allow Kanotix to boot from the Windows NTFS partition, and I was having a lot of problems. Turned out that in my menu.lst file, I was typing my paths in lower case, but some of the directories had upper case letters. Working from within Windows, I was thinking that typing with everything in lower case would work, but I guess that GRUB is kind of fussy about case sensitivity.
BTW, here's the wiki article if it helps. Markus was kind enough to convert it to the new format.
jd
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01-01-2005, 06:23 PM
#172
Here is what I did
I am running windows 2000 on my Dell laptop. Here are the steps I took after downloading grubd.zip
-To boot a knoppix 3.6 or 3.7 ISO image from the Hard Drive using USB key or boot menu on CPU:
1st. Put the ISO image in the root directory of your CPU, hopefully partition 1.
-USB Key:
1. Format the USB Key using the HP USB Key utility HPUSBFW.EXE in the folder Root_of_USB. Select FAT and make it bootable by selecting the create a DOS startup disk, use the files located in the folder Root_of_USB.
2. Copy the contents of the Root_of_USB folder (except the HPUSB utilty) to the root of the USB Key, say no to overwrite files.
3. Copy the contents of the Knoppix.37 folder for version 3.7 or Knoppix.36 folder for version 3.6 located at Root_of_NTFS\BOOT\ to the root of the USB key
4. On the root of the USB key is a file called menu.lst, you can edit this file to change your home directory, config, etc. You may also have to change the reference to HDA1 if your ISO image is on partition 2 instead of 1.
-CPU boot menu:
Did not try yet.
Happy New Year
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01-01-2005, 07:25 PM
#173
As a linux newbie, I just want to thank everyone for their efforts here.
ruymbeke, your explanations and persistant file updates made this a very easy install....Thank You
Now to start learning.....think I need to start with the persistant home/settings.
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01-01-2005, 08:22 PM
#174
Junior Member
registered user
Originally Posted by
j.drake
Afterscape, be sure to check the paths closely in your menu.lst. Just recently, I had occasion to go through this when bfree wrote a script to allow Kanotix to boot from the Windows NTFS partition, and I was having a lot of problems. Turned out that in my menu.lst file, I was typing my paths in lower case, but some of the directories had upper case letters. Working from within Windows, I was thinking that typing with everything in lower case would work, but I guess that GRUB is kind of fussy about case sensitivity.
BTW,
here's the wiki article if it helps. Markus was kind enough to convert it to the new format.
jd
JD, thanks for the link, although this discusses an install to an NTFS partition -- I have an ext3 partition and Knoppix installed, debian-style.
I should clarify that my "error" error message appears immediately when I select the Grbldr option from my NT bootloader. Grub does not load, I do not pass go, I do not collect $200, etc. Would a problem in menu.lst cause this error message? It was my understanding that menu.lst merely provides a list of options for the GRUB menu -- would an error in capitalization in menu.lst actually prevent GRUB from loading? I'd expect a problem like that to manifest after selecting an option from within GRUB.
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01-02-2005, 05:52 AM
#175
Originally Posted by
Alterscape
I should clarify that my "error" error message appears immediately when I select the Grbldr option from my NT bootloader. Grub does not load, I do not pass go, I do not collect $200, etc. Would a problem in menu.lst cause this error message? It was my understanding that menu.lst merely provides a list of options for the GRUB menu -- would an error in capitalization in menu.lst actually prevent GRUB from loading? I'd expect a problem like that to manifest after selecting an option from within GRUB.
You are correct. menu.lst is only used once grub is loaded, and in your case it looks like that grub do not start properly. To be honest I never tried to call my XP boot partition anything but c: (you use h: ) and that may be the problem. Since I don't have such a setup, could you please try to:
1) edit your boot.ini to use grldr and bootgrub from both partitions c: and h: (5 boot options including your XP)
2) put the same grldr, bootgrub and boot.ini in both partitions c: and h:
3) try all the 4 options and report the errors
Thank you, Gilles
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01-10-2005, 09:01 AM
#176
An alternative HowTo on 3.7
I have just started tinkering with Knoppix a couple of days earlier and I did not find this thread before so I ended up doing basically the same thing you suggest here on my own using wingrub and files in knoppix 3.7 iso. I can't bother with reading all the 18 pages in this thread so I write this to give you a "fresh view" on how to get knoppix 3.7 iso-file booting from a ntfs partition using grub via XP bootloader (no partition resizing, no external boot media, no overwriting the mbr).
1. Download Knoppix 3.7 iso and place it to C:\knoppix\knoppix37.iso
2. Mount the iso with your favourite iso mounter utility, for example DAEMON Tools
3. Copy linux26 and minirt26.gz from F:\boot\isolinux\ (the mounted iso) and place them to C:\knoppix\
4. Download and install WINGRUB from SourceForge
5. Run WinGrub and install bootloader to boot.ini in drive C:
6. Move the directory C:\Grub to C:\boot\Grub to avoid wingrub stalling on boot
7. Edit C:\boot\Grub\MENU.LST to contain only the following:
timeout=1
default=0
title Knoppix 3.7
kernel (hd0,0)/knoppix/linux26 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 nomce quiet bootfrom=/dev/hda1/knoppix/knoppix37.iso
initrd (hd0,0)/knoppix/minirt26.gz
8. Boot
This was actually very easy when compared to the first route I took, which was to repartition the ntfs-drive with burnt knoppix, copy the necessary files to an ext2 partition and install a fresh lilo to dual boot between XP and knoppix - which actuallty worked in the end, but caused some gray hair especially when qtparted, after resizing the partition correctly, messed up the partition table so that it hung up on itself when trying to reread it..
What is notable here is that at least with the recent knoppix 3.7 you don't need special nfts enabled minirt files but the ones supplied within Knoppix cd work fine.
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01-10-2005, 05:47 PM
#177
Re: An alternative HowTo on 3.7
You can read some documentation which summarize this thread here
Originally Posted by
siveys
...What is notable here is that at least with the recent knoppix 3.7 you don't need special nfts enabled minirt files but the ones supplied within Knoppix cd work fine.
I did not try Wingrub to install Grub4Dos but it looks like a good idea to provide a GUI. I personally prefer to edit the boot.ini and copy a couple of files in the root of my partition so there is nothing hidden or magic and it is very easy to understand how to remove everything. BTW tinybit/gandalf author of wingrub and grub4dos is one of the guys to really thank because he/they wrote some of the grub patches I have been using.
I am glad to see that you got it working with the minirt supplied within the Knoppix iso file, but it didn't work for me. This is the reason why I had to modify the minirt file to add the ntfs drivers and modify the linuxrc script file. I maybe did something wrong. Which 3.7 version of knoppix did you use ? The one I tried has this md5: a98fb9823414dc3d33c5e53f120c0339 *KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso
PS: you can also use Isobuster to access the content of the iso file.
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01-11-2005, 04:31 AM
#178
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01-11-2005, 05:45 AM
#179
Senior Member
registered user
Re: Well it didn't work after all.. :(
Originally Posted by
siveys
I didn't get into the details of linuxrc but somehow it must first mount the filesystem from hda2 to find the ntfs module, and then use it to load the iso from the ntfs partition.. Huh.. Some magic I'd say
Yep you've got it in one, bootfrom requires you to have another cloop file available regularly not only for the ntfs module but also for the loop module and a mount capable of loading it. I wrote a patch for the linuxrc of Kanotix which was accepted and provides a fromiso cheatcode with no such limitation. I have also written a patch for Knoppix, but unfortunately the Knoppix minirt requires far more changes then just the linuxrc patch (it also needs the loop module and a losetup and if you want it to work on ntfs it also needs the ntfs module and if you want it to work nicely on ntfs or fat it also needs a better mount). If you can find an archive of the knoppix developers mailing list you can find the latest patch I wrote for Knoppix (though it needs an adjustment to use the replaced mount correctly if you add an extra mount program to get the full ntfs/fat support).
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01-18-2005, 07:27 PM
#180
Originally Posted by
Alterscape
Originally Posted by
j.drake
Afterscape, be sure to check the paths closely in your menu.lst. Just recently, I had occasion to go through this when bfree wrote a script to allow Kanotix to boot from the Windows NTFS partition, and I was having a lot of problems. Turned out that in my menu.lst file, I was typing my paths in lower case, but some of the directories had upper case letters. Working from within Windows, I was thinking that typing with everything in lower case would work, but I guess that GRUB is kind of fussy about case sensitivity.
BTW,
here's the wiki article if it helps. Markus was kind enough to convert it to the new format.
jd
JD, thanks for the link, although this discusses an install to an NTFS partition -- I have an ext3 partition and Knoppix installed, debian-style.
I should clarify that my "error" error message appears immediately when I select the Grbldr option from my NT bootloader. Grub does not load, I do not pass go, I do not collect $200, etc. Would a problem in menu.lst cause this error message? It was my understanding that menu.lst merely provides a list of options for the GRUB menu -- would an error in capitalization in menu.lst actually prevent GRUB from loading? I'd expect a problem like that to manifest after selecting an option from within GRUB.
Did you ever find a solution to this problem, Alterscape?
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