I think I might do that. I just looked at a video for the newest release of Ubuntu and it looked great. May I ask why you think it is downsteam? From my Knoppix DVD and that video, it looked like they were pretty much on the same page, as far as I could tell. I would use Knoppix in a heartbeat if it could go safely on the HD, and right now Debian seems intimidating because it looks like so much to download. Maybe one day I'll be using one of them though.