knx-hdinstall removed! knoppix-installer busted!

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Originally Posted by sligh

Unfortunately if someone were to do a (May 23 2004) Google search “install knoppix “ the majority of tutorials are supporting “ knx-install “. I know it will change as time goes by .. It could have been changed to the words “spaceship” and I would learn from this forum because I try to keep up to date . Aaaah but the poor new comer who is doing the right thing searching Google is in for knock on the knoggin !

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Thanks for rehashing my post :-)

Good ideas are always copied :twisted:
I'm just plain guilty

is knx2hd what used to be "knx-hdinstall", or is it the abhorrent knoppix-installer under a different name?

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

is knx2hd what used to be "knx-hdinstall", or is it the abhorrent knoppix-installer under a different name?

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"knx2hd" is just a symbolic link to the "knoppix-installer" script.

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Originally Posted by sligh

I cant see any advantage for QParted other than to confuse a new Linux user .

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Since QTParted is a GUI-based clone of Partition Magic, it ought to be a heck of a lot easier for anyone to understand than cfdisk. (DOS fdisk sucks compared to Partition Magic, too.)

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Originally Posted by sligh

I believe I should be able to explain to a new knoppix user the install procedure with out a hiccup changing the install procedure is just adding to the possibility of errors frustration and aggravation on the part of the new user .

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Knoppix, the live CD, is a great way to indroduce a newbie to Linux. Recommending that a newbie install Knoppix to hard disk is not a great way to introduce them to Linux (unless you're planning on doing it for them!). The Knoppix installer is an add-on. Extremely well done, yeah, definitely. But it's an add-on.

As Mr. Knopper himself says in the FAQ, in regards to hard disk installation:

"[T]here is currently no installation GUI for this, so installation to a hard drive should probably only be attempted by more knowledgeable Linux users."

If you want to spare new users who want to install Linux in a dual-boot configuration a bunch of "frustration and aggravation," recommend something like Mandrake or SuSE, not Knoppix. (Not sure I can recommend Fedora Core any more, especially with its GRUB problems.) They both have proper, easy-to-use, Windows-like installation routines.

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

I've told it to install lilo to the MBR, but it doesn't work. It shouldn't be a problem, but it seems it might be that it is--my booting linux partition is 140 GB into the drive.

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Personally, I've had two boot loader disasters, once with LILO, once with GRUB. Even though the problems were specific to the computer I had at the time, I'll never install LILO or GRUB to a MBR again, unless a) Linux is the only thing on the computer; or b) both Windows and Linux are brand new installations, so that nothing is lost if it doesn't work.

In any case, it's really easy to use Windows' NTLDR with a special Windows version of GRUB to dual-boot.

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

is knx2hd what used to be "knx-hdinstall", or is it the abhorrent knoppix-installer under a different name?

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abhorrent ? I have not tried a recent version of the script, but I don't remember it being that bad. Plus this being OSS and all, you're welcome to contribute patches rather than snide remarks.

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Originally Posted by eco2geek

Recommending that a newbie install Knoppix to hard disk is not a great way to introduce them to Linux (unless you're planning on doing it for them!). The Knoppix installer is an add-on.

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Don't throw away the debian baby with the knoppix bath, though! Mepis or Kanotix are more suited to HD-install, because they strive to mix less different package pools than knoppix does for our fun and profit.

Realistically speaking though, partitioning and safe dual-booting probably are a tad beyond true newbies, i'm afraid. I have no recent experience with say Mandrake or SuSE (which I used to highly praise), and these distributions probably offer more foolproof and less intimidating tools and procedures regarding those initial hurdles, as you suggest.

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Originally Posted by baldyeti

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

is knx2hd what used to be "knx-hdinstall", or is it the abhorrent knoppix-installer under a different name?

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abhorrent ? I have not tried a recent version of the script, but I don't remember it being that bad. Plus this being OSS and all, you're welcome to contribute patches rather than snide remarks.

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Originally Posted by eco2geek

Recommending that a newbie install Knoppix to hard disk is not a great way to introduce them to Linux (unless you're planning on doing it for them!). The Knoppix installer is an add-on.

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Don't throw away the debian baby with the knoppix bath, though! Mepis or Kanotix are more suited to HD-install, because they strive to mix less different package pools than knoppix does for our fun and profit.

Realistically speaking though, partitioning and safe dual-booting probably are a tad beyond true newbies, i'm afraid. I have no recent experience with say Mandrake or SuSE (which I used to highly praise), and these distributions probably offer more foolproof and less intimidating tools and procedures regarding those initial hurdles, as you suggest.

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I have recently done a dual boot with Win 98 SE using knx2hd and it worked flawlessly for me on the first try. By the way, I'm a linux noob, but I do understand hardware. All it takes is a little reading (mostly on this forum). :D

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Originally Posted by baldyeti

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

is knx2hd what used to be "knx-hdinstall", or is it the abhorrent knoppix-installer under a different name?

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abhorrent ? I have not tried a recent version of the script, but I don't remember it being that bad. Plus this being OSS and all, you're welcome to contribute patches rather than snide remarks.

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Originally Posted by eco2geek

Recommending that a newbie install Knoppix to hard disk is not a great way to introduce them to Linux (unless you're planning on doing it for them!). The Knoppix installer is an add-on.

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Don't throw away the debian baby with the knoppix bath, though! Mepis or Kanotix are more suited to HD-install, because they strive to mix less different package pools than knoppix does for our fun and profit.

Realistically speaking though, partitioning and safe dual-booting probably are a tad beyond true newbies, i'm afraid. I have no recent experience with say Mandrake or SuSE (which I used to highly praise), and these distributions probably offer more foolproof and less intimidating tools and procedures regarding those initial hurdles, as you suggest.

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OSS also offers choice. For me, I believe the better installer is knx-hdinstall. I am not stupid, and like control, therefore I find that the knx-hdinstall program suits me best, and has since I began using it, which was when it was the one and only installer.

knx-hdinstall is great, but where did it go? Someone said something about "knx2hd", but is this the-script-formerly-called-knx-hdinstall, or is it simply a link back to knoppix-installer?

Can someone check?

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

OSS also offers choice. For me, I believe the better installer is knx-hdinstall. I am not stupid, and like control, therefore I find that the knx-hdinstall program suits me best, and has since I began using it, which was when it was the one and only installer.

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Which options were in knx-hdinstall that can't be chosen in knoppix-installer? I realize that there are a few things that appeared in the gui of knx-hdinstall that aren't in knoppix-installer's gui. But they're there...it's not hard to edit .knofig and change the filesystem or choose which services to install or whatever else. I was hesitant to switch too, but I've found that the debian-type install in knoppix-installer can do all that knx-hdinstall did and more. I'm not challenging that you have a choice...I'm just saying that you might like the new script if you give it a chance.

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Originally Posted by champagnemojo

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Originally Posted by lavaman094

OSS also offers choice. For me, I believe the better installer is knx-hdinstall. I am not stupid, and like control, therefore I find that the knx-hdinstall program suits me best, and has since I began using it, which was when it was the one and only installer.

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Which options were in knx-hdinstall that can't be chosen in knoppix-installer? I realize that there are a few things that appeared in the gui of knx-hdinstall that aren't in knoppix-installer's gui. But they're there...it's not hard to edit .knofig and change the filesystem or choose which services to install or whatever else. I was hesitant to switch too, but I've found that the debian-type install in knoppix-installer can do all that knx-hdinstall did and more. I'm not challenging that you have a choice...I'm just saying that you might like the new script if you give it a chance.

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It's my choice. And it makes sense not to use an installer that's harder to use (editing config files? yeah, we can do that, but that's not for n00bs). There is not sufficient explanation of what these "x-type installs" are in teh installer, so I was turned off by it.

After reading here, I'm about to check out knx2hd. If it is simply a link to knoppix-installer, that is sort of a problem, because the program requires KDE. Knx-hdinstall seemed run command line, with graphical dialogs if running with KDE and ncurses ones if X wasn't running. And I have been trying to set up a remaster without KDE, but still able to install to HD.

I'm a little conflicted on the move from cfdisk to QTparted. QTparted allows nondestructive resizing of partitions--which is a big plus. But running parted at the command line is nowhere near as intuitive as cfdisk.